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I am told that a GMC 2wd frame can be converted to a 4x4 by using the front spring hangers from a K truck and a front crossmember????

Does anyone know for sure how this is done?

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I'll move this to the 4X4 section. They can probably tell you every little tidbit you need to know.
With that being said... I *THINK* it can be done, and probably takes what you listed, and then the 4X4 steering gear box and a few other odds and ends.

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yea, I posted around in frame and suspension and the 4x4 forum and here also hoping for attention.

does the steering box bolt to the 2wd frame without trouble?? I never thought there would be a difference. I have everything on my K truck to swap over. I straightened the frame as best I could but it still favors pulling slightly right, just enough that I know it and wish it didn't. For now the truck is used minimaly and only short distances. Someday I would like to swap.........................or find a shortbed frame!!!!!!!!

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I know a guy that did just that. He told me that other than a few minor things it is basicly a bolt in, all the holes are already there. I didn't see the before but I did see the after and you'd never know it was a conversion. I've got my eye on a 71 Chev with rear leaf springs and if I can get my hands on it I will do a conversion to it.

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All the holes aren't there, but it's not hard to drill the ones that aren't. If the 2wd frame has rear leaf, you're a step ahead. One of the PITA things on my 68 was flattening out the dimples in the front where the e-brake cables go through. The other was that the 2wd rear end spring hangers are shorter and it took a 4" block to make it sit level with the stock 4X4 front springs.
The 4X4 power steering box bolted right up on mine.

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and is there any difference in the 3/4 ton to the 1/2 ton frames in consi9dering this swap????

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Like mentioned all the holes are not there. Mainly for the shackle mount for the front spring. I am in the process of doing this to my 72 longhorn. When i get it far enough I will post up pics and info. I am planning on cutting the part of the frame where the e brake knotches are and installing a flat piece of steel there so it looks factory. I may even replace the rear spring hanger because I am using 6" lift springs in the front and if I don't replace that hanger, I will need a 10" block. LOL I think the biggest difference in the frames, is the 1/2 frame rail heighth is shorter than the 3/4. But I am not 100% on that.

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And another thing, you will need the bumper brackets from the 4wd truck in the front because 2wd and 4wd are different.

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actually, the 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton frame heights are the same, as well as some 1 tons. the rails are indeed taller on 1 tons that were designated for dumps, box trucks, ambulances & military cucv's.

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so 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton frames were the same dimensions and material strength?

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Interesting thread, I have a 69 chevy parts truck with rear springs, might have a new project after all.

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as far as i know, the 1/2 & 3/4 trucks, blazers, & suburbans use the same thickness in the steel. 1 tons are thicker & as i said before, depending on their intended use, some had a physically taller rail. however, i don't remember the time span when gm changed the steel in their frames. i believe late 70's or early 80's.? maybe someone else here can pinpoint that for u.

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okay, I have located a 1/2 ton longbed frame from a chevy with the rear leafs. The guy thinks that the 1/2 ton might have a slightly narrower, like 1 inch per side or so, set up in the rear spring hangers or the rails themselves, than the 3/4 tons?????


I guess the problem is putting the 3/4 axles under the 1/2 ton frames in the rear.

anyone know anything about this fact???

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4 x 4 frame is 1" higher than a 2 x 4 frame in the trans-t/c area
ron

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I am going to measure this blazer 4x4 frame I have and the longhorn frame I have to compare. I never have done it, the 3/4 tons just look bigger in the frame area I guess?

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measuring your blazer frame and your longhorn frame is going to tell you what?
I do have a suburban 2 x 4 frame and my panel 4 x4 frame and the 4 x 4 is 1" deeper. mine are same year , same w/b
ron

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so what about the width at the rear spring hanger area????

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don't know. best thing to do is find the chassis in question which is opposite what you have and measure it for yourself; then you know exactly what the differences for. you will get a variety of answers on these boards. always confirm what you need to know and that will alleviate any foreseeable problems
ron

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look for grendel he has done this and posted the whole build up. AWESOME work he's done. Good Luck
-Lance

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Dang, sorry, it's for 73-87.......... thought I had another link for ours, but can't find it.
Check this link from Chuck's Chevy pages, it gives frame dimensions
http://www.chuckschevytruckpages.com/framespecs.html

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It will tell me that a 4x4 1/2 ton frame is different than a 2x4 3/4 ton frame. This is what I found in my measurements.
These measurements were taken from top to bottom of frame flanges. And both frames were 1/4" thick. The Bold is for the longhorn to try to see the difference in the post.

1972 Blazer 4x4 1/2 ton 1972 Chevy Longhorn 3/4 ton 2x4
6 1/8" tall behind front cab mount 7 5/8" tall behind front cab mount 1 1/2" difference
4 1/2" Tall above rear axle 5" Tall above rear axle 1" difference

Rear Spring Hangers On Frame
Front Front
10" 5 1/2" 4 1/2" difference
Rear Rear
7 1/4" 7 1/4" Same

So what this shows me is that the frames are different from 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton. Now this could be different with the 2wd coil spring rear suspension trucks. But not with the leaf spring 3/4 ton trucks. Basically the 2wd 3/4 ton frame I have is the same as a 4wd frame almost. Since some holes are different up front I realize they are different. But that shows a comparrison on frame heighth.

And for the rear leaf spring hangers. I had it backwards. Everyone told me the rear hanger was longer on the 4wd's than the 2wd's. Well in reality it is the front hanger that is almost 4 1/2" longer than the 2wd one. That is a big difference. And the rear ones are the same.

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http://www.chuckschevytruckpages.com/framespecs.html

the "S" dimensions don't make any scence to me for longbed/shortbed trucks................??????????

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what I can't understand is trying to figure out a comparison between a blazer chassis to a 3/4 ton chassis,.I can see comparing a 127" w/b 1/2t 2 x 4 chassis to a 127" w/b 3/4t 4 x 4 to see what the differences are other than crossmembers and suspension orientation.
ron

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It's because it's what he has, the comparison is between a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton more specifically 1/2 ton 4x4 to 3/4 ton 2x4.

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what the.............????? :lol:


can't believe how many variations of the same thing we can come up with here.;)


sounds like the 4x4 frame is a little taller at the transfer case area....................and since anything can be done..................the 2wd rear leaf sprung longbed truck frame will work for a 4x4 conversion.

I think!:lol:

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I always heard that the 3/4 ton 2wd leaf spring trucks were the same frame, structure not hole alignment and such, as the 4x4 trucks. The reason I measured the two trucks I have is because this will give frame specs to the two frames I have. And I am betting that the blazer frame is the same as a K10 frame, just shorter. I have Never seen a factory K10 with a frame as big as a K20 unless it has had a frame swap already.

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I don't know where you are in Oregon but later this winter I will have a 74 K-10 frame available. I am pulling the engine, tranfercase and trans then advertising the rolling truck for sale. If no one bites I'll pull the axles, steering box, brake stuff and then scrap it. Body is rust bucket. ITs a long wheel base fleetside.

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so the 1/2ton and 3/4 ton frames are different dimensionaly or the same?
I am getting confused

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they are more than likely the same . it is the capacity of the springs and axles that will make the difference. It is just that the 4 x 4 frame is deeper in the middle than the 4 x4
ron
note;I said more than likely

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I don't believe the 74 will be a compatible frame

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"There is benefit to running a one ton frame and they do all have various height and thickness differences. 1 ton non-commercial use frame will be dimensionally the same as it's 3/4 ton brother, but 1/8" thicker. 4wd frames are 1" taller through the middle to provide room for the t-case. Commercial (C+C, Mil, etc) can be all sorts of weird. I put a commercial 70 2wd frame under my truck."

not trying to be smart with this reply. I cannot understand what is termed as a non commercial frame. most 1 tons built at that time were built for commercial use. they were mainly work trucks except perhaps for a limited nbr at that time going for RV use.
one could have ordered different w/bases and suspension options
there could have been custom chassis ordered for certain fleet applications.
Grendel ; it would be interesting if you could elaborate on this
thks
ron

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I just wish mine wasn't bent

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I thought the bracket difference was because of the frame, and the bumpers were all the same?

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Seriously about the torch?? Heat on the frame won't affect the structual integrity and heat treat? Or is it common practice?
I will tackle about anything to save this truck, and I already have, but I was reluctant to heat the frame rails to get them straight.

Any frame metalurgists out there??

Any ideas accepted.

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I used to work in a heavy truck frame shop. Without heating the frame rails you will more than likely never straighten the frame without damage to the metal and or the equipment. So yes you can heat them. I used to get the semi frames glowing red with about 25,000psi of force on them and would leave them until cool. On a heat treated frame, you do not want to quench them like mentioned. On these older frames it won't hurt them but I would just let it cool once put in a pull or bind used to help straighten them.