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camaney 10-31-2010 11:26 AM

4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
Hi i have a question has any body swap a jeep engine and tranny (2wd) into a chevy . I have a 292 that's ready for a rebuild also have a 97 cherokee that was in accident and thougt about puting that eng/tranny combo in it has anybody did that before is it possible? Thanks
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gearys 5600 10-31-2010 11:49 AM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
Most people put a v-8 chevy in place of the jeep 4.0.

camaney 10-31-2010 12:32 PM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
Yea. But I don't want a v8 already have one I wanna stay with 6 inlined.
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292farmer 10-31-2010 12:41 PM

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i believe he means if the v8 will go in a jeep then the 4.0l will go into a chevy, you will need most likely a trans adapter and to move motor mounts at the very least on the passenger side, im assuming this truck was 292 equipped originally?

never mind on trans adapter i see your taking jeep trans too, will need new driveshaft possibly unless u position motor and trans so to keep original driveshaft. dont forget if the 4.0 has any ecu stuff to make sure u grab all of that

cheepin 10-31-2010 12:44 PM

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Do you need to have your truck inspected?If so I wouldn't do it.In order to pass inspection you would need to have ALL the 4.0 smog stuff in place.
I would say just rebuild the 292 and keep the truck with all chevy in it.

camaney 10-31-2010 12:48 PM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
No smog for 76 and older in Cali .. I got the whole car (jeep)
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292farmer 10-31-2010 01:59 PM

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you might find the 4.0 will be a dog in the truck too. even with the stroker 4.7 version your .1 liters short of a 292:lol: however i guess aftermarket parts are more affordable and cheaper for those 4.0s. i would give this some thought before u jump at it. are u planning on swapping the 292 back in after a rebuild?

shiner2001 10-31-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cheepin (Post 4269859)
Do you need to have your truck inspected?If so I wouldn't do it.In order to pass inspection you would need to have ALL the 4.0 smog stuff in place.
I would say just rebuild the 292 and keep the truck with all chevy in it.

I believe that inspections are based on the chassis, not the engine. Meaning if you have an old engine in a new truck, you still have to have smog requirements of the new truck met (cats, O2 sensors, etc). That's the way I've found it to be in Texas with my swapped engines/trucks at least. Of course it's different everywhere and I wouldn't even be able to venture a guess as to what the hoops you have to jump through in CA are like.

7dguy 10-31-2010 02:32 PM

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I've owned three jeeps with the 4.0 setup; bulletproof and very smooth. I can see why you'd want that powertrain. I don't think it will be "a dog" since the Grand Cherokee our c10's share nearly an identical curb weight. Might suggest researching your rear diff gearing though.

camaney 10-31-2010 02:50 PM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
In California we don't have any inspetcions (smog or any kind)76 and older... I was thinking maybe if I can't go fuel ingected go carburetor.. But I'm just thinking for now. I was just wondering if anybody had donnit and if what problems will I encounter
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stich626 10-31-2010 03:20 PM

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other than fab'n up mounts and a efi in tank pump and return, it's a piece of cake..

camaney 10-31-2010 03:26 PM

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oh yea... I think I can use the tank from the jeep pump and lines..thanks for the idea..

shiner2001 10-31-2010 04:07 PM

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Even if you can't use the Jeep tank, there are plenty of aftermarket pumps you could mount externally on the rail near the tank that would feed that engine very easily. Even better if you're still using the in cab tank.

Beelzeburb 10-31-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by camaney (Post 4270022)
In California we don't have any inspetcions (smog or any kind)76 and older...Posted via Mobile Device

You may not have to comply with an annual vehicle inspection, but if you live in the state of California your vehicle is still required to meet emissions standards unless it was manufactured before the mid 1950s when emissions equipment was first implemented. If an officer were to pull you over and suspect something was up with your drivetrain, he/she could order you to have it inspected by a BAR facility and if you didn't have all the emissions equipment hooked up it'd be a mess to deal with.

27156 (b) No person shall operate or leave standing upon a highway a motor vehicle that is required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device under Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any other certified motor vehicle pollution control device required by any other state law or any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to that law, or required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device pursuant to the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs. 7521 to 7550, inclusive) and the standards and regulations adopted pursuant to that federal act, unless the motor vehicle is equipped with the required motor vehicle pollution control device that is correctly installed and in operating condition. No person shall disconnect, modify, or alter any such required device.

As a side note, a stock 292 made 130 hp @ 3600 rpm and 235 lb-ft torque @ 1800 rpm while a stock 4.0L makes 190 hp @ 4750 rpm and 225 lb-ft torque @ 4000 rpm.

shiner2001 10-31-2010 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzeburb (Post 4270138)
You may not have to comply with an annual vehicle inspection, but if you live ins the state of California your vehicle is still required to meet emissions standards unless it was manufactured before the mid 1950s when emissions equipment was first implemented. If an officer were to pull you over and suspect something was up with your drivetrain, he/she could order you to have it inspected by a BAR facility and if you didn't have all the emissions equipment hooked up it'd be a mess to deal with.

27156 (b) No person shall operate or leave standing upon a highway a motor vehicle that is required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device under Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any other certified motor vehicle pollution control device required by any other state law or any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to that law, or required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device pursuant to the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs. 7521 to 7550, inclusive) and the standards and regulations adopted pursuant to that federal act, unless the motor vehicle is equipped with the required motor vehicle pollution control device that is correctly installed and in operating condition. No person shall disconnect, modify, or alter any such required device.

Wouldn't a cat and a muffler fill that need?

Longhorn Man 10-31-2010 04:50 PM

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there is a ton more to smog regulations than a catilitic converter.
He'd need the fuel tank, the charchol canister, even the check engine light would have to work, all the sensors on the engine, tranny, everything.
It's doable, but not easily.
If memory serves, people in Cali are being threatened with all cars post 1964 getting smogged again, like it used to be. I'm not sure what the cut off was with light duty pick ups... maybe 69... but if and when it goes back to the old standard, then the old truck would have to pass as a 97 cherokee. On top of that, a normal smog station wouldn't do it, they'd make him go to a refere to inspect every thing and look for improper shortcuts.
It'll be a pain at the very minimum to keep it 100% smog legal.

Beelzeburb 10-31-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shiner2001 (Post 4270149)
Wouldn't a cat and a muffler fill that need?

As I understand it, in regards to engine swaps, the emissions equipment that is original to the newer swapped in engine must be present. That would include any EGR, CCV, PCV, properly routed vent and breather hoses, catalytic converter, charcoal canisters, OBDI or OBDII diagnostic ports, etc, etc....

camaney 10-31-2010 05:12 PM

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well im not talking any legal stuff here but i do want to be in complice with the regulacions..all that at side. i really like the way jeeps run with that set up. remember im just thinking about it since the jeep is already here it has overdrive 78000 miles and dont plan to fix it becouse is not worth my time and money but before i get rid of it I wanted to know if anybody had any experince about it.. thanks

70 shorty 10-31-2010 06:29 PM

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I have 232000 miles of experience with the 4.0 in my Grand Cherokee. Great engine, but can't comment on dropping it in one of our trucks.

capev86 10-31-2010 06:45 PM

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sorry, but the 4.0 doesn't excite me. even the stroker 4.2 like they featured on powerblock awhile back doesn't get my blood pumping like the 292 chevy engine. i say rebuild the chevy motor (roller valvetrain, fuel injection, hot rodding tricks, etc) and forget you ever mentioned that measly little jeep "boat ancor". sell it to a jeep guy to pay for your project. in a full size truck, a properly set up 292 will give you more bang for your buck than a smaller engine and probably comparable gas mileage too as it doesn't have to work so hard.

camaney 10-31-2010 07:17 PM

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I not looking for a race, gas saving or fast truck.. (thats why i got a mustang)
we all know they are not fast and i dont care about it ..i just want a relible truck . is the 250 l6 almost the same size? and jeeps 4.0s are very reliable engines

shiner2001 10-31-2010 07:33 PM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by camaney (Post 4270409)
I not looking for a race, gas saving or fast truck.. (thats why i got a mustang)
we all know they are not fast and i dont care about it ..i just want a relible truck . is the 250 l6 almost the same size? and jeeps 4.0s are very reliable engines

You can look at my signature and tell that I'm not just a Chevy guy, but even though I'm not running the 4.0 in anything of mine right now, it is indeed a great engine. It's torquey and I think it will do you right in one of these trucks. Sure there are bigger and more powerful ones, but you just have to figure what you'll be doing with the truck. Now, all that being said, this wasn't a thread of "should I or shouldn't I" but "How do I," so all this is probably a moot point anyway! ;)

camaney 10-31-2010 10:09 PM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
Thanks.. I'll be searching to see if anybody did it on other vehicles .
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raycow 11-01-2010 04:55 AM

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We recently had a similar discussion in another thread, and the general consensus was that anything older than 75 is exempt from smog inspections in CA, so it doesn't matter what kind of engine you put in there.

Now with that out of the way, the swap is certainly doable. The engine will physically fit, although you will have to cobble the mounts, linkage and plumbing. Don't even think about trying to adapt the Chevy transmission. Just use whatever is bolted on to the back of the Jeep engine now.

Btw, I have owned several of these AMC engines, and they are fully the equal of the Chevy 6 for reliability and withstanding abuse. The only design feature I don't care for is the chain-drive camshaft.

Ray

petey-pablo 11-01-2010 06:38 AM

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Heres a link for Cali.. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm


Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:
The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.
Exemptions for Uncontrolled Vehicles
Vehicles that were manufactured before emission control regulations took effect are called uncontrolled vehicles. Aftermarket parts regulations and anti-tampering laws do not apply to these vehicles.
Uncontrolled vehicles may have any aftermarket add-on or modified part installed as long as the vehicle can still meet the tailpipe emission standards for the year of the vehicle. Uncontrolled vehicles must retain any original or retrofit crankcase control (PCV) devices and NOx device required for the year of the vehicle.
The following vehicles are considered uncontrolled vehicles:
1965 and Older : U.S. Manufactured California Certified Vehicles

1967 and Older: U.S. Manufactured Federally Certified Vehicles

1967 and Older: Foreign Manufactured Vehicles

raycow 11-01-2010 08:04 AM

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This totaly sucks! When did those commie pinko tree-hugging bastards in Sacramento sneak that one through? It used to be 1975. I know it was.

Ray

VetteVet 11-01-2010 08:28 AM

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Take out the trash tomorrow Nov. 2,

lakeroadster 11-01-2010 08:36 AM

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Besides all the legal California schtick, a Jeep drivetrain installed in a 1970 Chevy would absolutely kill the resale value of the truck, if that means anything to ya.

:chevy: Drive the Jeep and keep the Chevy all Chevrolet. :chevy:

stich626 11-01-2010 08:46 AM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
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Originally Posted by VetteVet (Post 4271204)
Take out the trash tomorrow Nov. 2,

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camaney 11-01-2010 09:41 AM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
Lol.. I don't think this trucks are worth that much anyway Im not worry about resale value. When I fix something I plan to keepit for a long time. Besides I plan to keep the original eng/tranny in my back yard storage just in case law changes in the future. But for now I don't want talk about legal stuff just like the other guys who install Lt1s , vortecs, or whatever. I just wanna see how to go about this I preffer carbureted for now (easer to do and for me to fix)
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stich626 11-01-2010 09:50 AM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
then you'll need to find out if you can use that intake.
and you'll need a pre computer dissy..
I'd hit up a jeep forum for that type info..

tolly4503 11-01-2010 10:18 AM

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I know people have put a 4.0 head on the carb'd 4.2 and still used the 4.2 intake, so I'd say if you got a 4.2 intake you can make it work on the 4.0. I've own a couple Jeeps, current one has 165,000 miles on it, the highest having 249,000 before the body rusted out. Good reliable motor, but making alot of horsepower can get exspensive.

Dano69c10 11-01-2010 10:22 AM

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I can tell you want to do this conversion, so I say go for it! Just make sure you transfer all of the emissions and computer stuff over. You like the way this engine runs and it runs with all of those components anyway.
I think it's cool to put modern technology into older vehicles.

tolly4503 11-01-2010 10:26 AM

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and what trans. is it the Jeep, if it's an auto (AW4), it has its own computer, which you can get by without if you buy a controller which you manually shift. 5 speed(AX15) would be the easier electricly, but then you have to deal with the hydraulic clutch. It would be intersting either way just make sure to keep us updated if you go this way

camaney 11-01-2010 02:36 PM

Re: 4.0 jeep Cherokee to 70 chevy swap?
 
It's 2 wheel drive that's y I was thinking about the convercion. Knave to check in the forums about the dizzy and carb otherwise it will be fuel inj
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