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Im not the best at searches on the board.
I have a question for some of you "experienced" members.
I am looking to see if there is a thread for lowest VIN production number still on the road (or at least owned).
If someone started one Id like to see it!
If not... I would consider trying to get maybe the 1st hundred from each of the years documented. This site is such a repository for knowledge that in a few years it will aid in prominence if not its a good pride thing to see how many are out there.
I understand many will be concerned abut their VIN being disclosed so we would maybe just verify their VIN and not post the entire thing. It would not be in this posting!

I just wanted to start the conversation and say that I have a:
1972 GMC production number 032.

Someone give me their thoughts?

Mike

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I know there was a thread on this somewhere I have seen before.

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I have a 69 GMC number 11 off the line

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Very nice! Keep'em coming!
What are your thoughts on a database of sorts though!

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Mike I posted this a while back looking for the earliest 67 and last 72: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=6030213

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Good reading! Thank you! There is some unique trucks on here that are not getting face time. We need to push these owners to show and save these low number (and high number) beauties. The more advertisement and air time they get the more they will be worth due to the somewhat known numbers and serial numbers that are documented.
May not GE this year but if we document and value the history others will to someday.
Thanks for sharing...

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I assume you guys know that various years and nameplates have different starting points and have taken that into consideration.

I've been in several conversations with people who were confused by that (and subsequently disappointed).

Also - trucks were not necessarily built in VIN order, both due to shuffling as a result of material availability/repairs and because of the aforementioned nameplate differences (ie, Chevy vs GMC).

K

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My 67 GMC was #19 off the line

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Kieth,
Some consideration, yes. I'm just seeing the availability and interest before digging into this deeper. I would reach out to others on the board for assistance after I get a template of some kind to ensure I am gathering/considering all variables needed for this type of endeavor.
Thanks for your input...
Mike

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Rick,
This may aid in providing additional information.
Thank you for sharing!

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We could start with mine:-) CE141F830855. I would be curious as to where I fall in line for production, assy plant, etc.

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Greg,
Your production number is 855 for your vehicle.
Ill look at it in a few and see if I can help a little.

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Greg,
Here is an excellent source for decoding your VIN. Bruce and SSTIM did a ton of work to provide their combined knowledge with years of research and experience.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=570059&page=3
As a reminder... Im looking to start a verifiable source document to provide future owners the earliest 100 and or even the last few trucks from each year.
It could mold into each type (3/4, 1 Ton and beyond) as well if the initial thought was something others thought would be benificial.

I started this thread to see if there was interest first, before I did a ton of work to get it going.

I hope it helped you look into you VIN. Id check the 3rd page because it talks about the GMC Flint trucks having 3???? production numbers.
Hope I helped you!

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Add Mine in too CS10CTA10011

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CE141F830855
C = 2wd
E = v-8
1 = 1/2 ton
4 = pickup
1 = 1971
F = Flint
830855 = build sequence number This is where it get's interesting and confusing.
*Info below for Chevrolet Trucks only*
The Build Sequence Numbers Started with 100001 in 1967-70 and 1972.
In 1971 Build Sequence Numbers started with 600001
In any year 67-72 A Build sequence number starting with 800001, meant that the vehicle was built on the 2nd assembly line at the plant.
So 830855 was the 30,855 truck to be assigned a build number on the 2nd assembly line at Flint in 1971.
It can even get more confusing that this if you consider rollovers or other reasons for a starting number change.
EDIT: Mike, thanks for the shout out about the VIN thread that Tim and I worked on. The Starting number info on those decoders is incomplete because I didn't have enough room to add all the other possibilities. 100001 is by far the most common. And when I did those decoders I didn't even know that the 1971 Chevy trucks started with 600001. I also should have included the 800001 numbers as 2nd assembly line numbers. On those decoders we excluded a lot of info that was either uncommon or pertained to 40 and up trucks or P's, G's etc. The decoders are tailored for the trucks commonly found on this website.

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While not very early, mines 2461 out of Flint.

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Your truck is a GMC. Gmc VINs have a different vin format and decode than chevy up to 1971. 1972 GMC's and Chevys are the same decode.

C = 2wd
S = 6cyl
1 = 1/2 ton
0C = Fenderside (stepside)
T = Tarrytown assy. plant
A = 1969
10011 = Build Sequence Number. 1969 GMC's started with 10001 so your truck was 11th to get assigned a Sequence Number, in 1969 at Tarrytown.

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There will be some trucks that will "fall through the cracks" as far as just going by VIN number is concerned.
I have a C20 factory dually and was told by several that Chevy never built a C20 dually that the duals didn't come on until the C30 (1 ton) model. It was coded on my SPID, and still a couple of "experts" told me there was no such truck. I called the Restoration people's 800 number and after a little explanation the nice lady asked me what the VIN # was. I gave it to her and a couple of days later she called me back and said one of us mis-read the number. I read it back to her from the plate, and from the SPID. Two or three days later, she called me again and said she had good news and bad news. The bad news was she couldn't find my truck any where in the archives. The good news was she couldn't find my truck any where in the archives............then she explained. In 1968 Chevrolet didn't keep track of anything that was one percent (1%) or less of a production run. She said in '68 there were 1103 flatbed C20's ordered, but since the dually option didn't come up, my truck was one of eleven (11) or less of that configuration built.
I said all of that only to say that as has been mentioned, the VIN's may not be 100% reliable in determining a particular truck's heritage.

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Bruce, i appreciate your input for sure on this. Im going to contact a few people for further info if this takes off and looks like it would be fruitful.

I have a talented friend that does a lot of database tracking. Im going to approach him on doing an automated decoder for us on the board. With so many variables I'll address unique instances to him and he can include them in the formulas or queries.

As a reminder I want to document early and in some cases last few trucks.
Thanks for your help!

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Would be great to see the earliest 67 and the latest 72!

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That would be awesome!
Also brings up about 15 trucks though...unless I'm mistaken.
1/2 ton
3/4 ton
1 ton
Dont forget...
C40, 50, 60 and up, not to mention GMCs!

That is where a database would help out a lot.
People with these marque trucks will not sell and exchange hands a lot...I hope!

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a good thread Mike,
FWIW: my '72 C30 is CCE332F106403
that could be later in the run for a Flint built 1 ton.

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Lots of good info on this thread!

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Thanks for the info on my VIN, its always nice to learn more. I own three of these trucks, the other two VIN's are CCE142A141945 and CE141S618527. The 72 sold new in Bowdon GA and the 71 sold new in Oneonta AL.

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There will always be unique vehicles out there. In those cases,collectively we can assist owners with getting there answers. The board members do this now.
Loading pics of the VIN and SPID, will aid in this documentation.

If this database takes off it would load the pics and associate them with that matching VIN. The pictures and full vin would not be shared to the public (like credit card numbers show on your receipt. There would need to be an administrator who loaded the pictures or at least ensured the database continued to work correctly. I will work with my fried on a plan for that.
Thanks for sharing your situation and possible areas of concern.
Mike

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So - Bruce - you are proposing Flint Line 1 and Flint Line 2 had unique starting points? I had never thought about that.

Makes sense, since the rest of the VIN prefex would be common and it would be necessary to avoid building multiple vehicles with the same VIN (which would be a huge no-no).

As a reminder, when I started at Flint in 1979, Line 1 was building Chevy and GMC pickups at 60 per hour (8 Chevys to 1 GMC) and Line 2 was the only plant producing Blazer and Suburban, 36 jobs per hour (two Suburbans followed by one Blazer, both Chevy and GMC nameplates).

K

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'72 build sequence number: 157389

Daily driver. Drive about 400 miles round trip each week, currently.

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Low Number Vins! Post them up!!

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Another thing that may help is if you have a truck (with low numbers) that was scrapped, post a pic of the SPID//VIN. That way we can eliminate it from the possibilities of what's out there still on the road or in someone's stash.

I'll put my money where my mouth is, so here's my complete VIN.
TCS142Z500032
LETS POST SOME EM UP!

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Simple answer : The "experts" were not experts, they gave you their opinions. Yes, '68 C 20 chassis cab and stakes were available with the dual wheel option. This low volume option was first introduced in 1963.

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We are all here to learn from each other! Thank you for additional info some and probably most didn't know! Me for one, but I know nothing.
Mike

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It's official!
I'm going to have a friend put my thoughts into a data base/decoder. I'll have to get it tested by a few knowledgeable members once figured out and ready for testing. I'll leave this thread open for additional comments and suggestions.
Thank you to everyone for their inputs. Keep the thoughts/suggestions coming.

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Thank you; that's fast enough that if you are standing on the flat track when it starts up it will knock you down (unless you can grab onto something).

K

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Bruce - do you have all the starting numbers tabulated somewhere on one chart?

K

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Sorry, No not a chart. I included the 3 most common, 1's 6's and 8's, in my revised vin decoders, but their not up yet.

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Standing by. Once you have that posted I'll start memorizing it.

As an aside, vintage Pontiacs also varied their starting point by engine type (ie, V8s = 100001; L6 = 600001).

K

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Bruce, Kieth and All...
I have a meeting scheduled (lunch) with my friend to describe and explain the database Id like to do. He will also have it pull querries for Vins as well to provide a person what their VIN is with out looking up the codes. It will spit out or email the completed Picture and explanation of each position.
Im having an issue with where to place the access database due to the fact that it doesnt play well with the internet and servers. Ill be working that out with him and hopefully Ill be contacting you knowledgable people for some advise in the very near future.
Wish me luck!

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If it doesn't work out, let me know. I'm a web applications programmer :-)

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