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So I'm trolling thru eBay and come across this nice high-end truck. Scrolling down I see several pictures of the bed, each covered by a rubber mat. I ask the seller to provide pictures of the bed w/o the mat, which he promptly does. Clearly the bed is not as nice as the rest of the truck but not awful. What bothers me is that this defect was not initially disclosed and in fact hidden.

So is that dishonest? My wife says no b/c the seller quickly addressed the issue by sending pictures. Are my expectations too high?

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although you can't expect a seller to disclose every defect of a vehicle, it sure seems like this guy was trying to cover up some bad areas. i would not call it dishonest since he sent you the pictures, but certainly shady and makes you wonder what else is covered up.

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yea, its dishonest. he may have disclosed the info to you but what about everyone else watching it. Its dishonest.

the bed does not look that bad but it begs two additional questions

his intent indicates dishonesty?

and

what else did he fail to disclose simply because you did not ask

personaly, I think the bed is pretty good and the fact that he disclosed information asap. but why hide it. its not that bad, why not post good images to begin with. If people conceal significant issues in the description or images. I become gun shy almost imeadiatly.

A friend of mine used to pack parachutes in the military. He was very proud of his work. he claimed that nobody ever complained that thier parachute failed to open

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I looked at this same truck on there. I'm going to guess since there are plenty of detailed pictures of the truck, including ones with it up on a rack, that its probably just an oversight. It doesn't look like theres even really anything to cover up there. Its a dealership so I'd imagine the truck came to them with the cover in it and no one bothered to pull it out before posting it online. Thats just my opinion.

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I honestly think the bed looks fine. I was expecting to see a big hole cut out or rust holes. I honestly think the buyers on eBay are unrealistic in their expectations. It's like nothing I've experienced on either side of buying or selling in person at a local swap meet or car show. Some of the bidders on eBay expect an absolutely mint perfect vehicle.

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No it's not dishonest. You asked a question and he answered it.

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Perhaps misleading is a more appropriate word to describe this.

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The guy has a bed cover in his truck and you call him dishonest! Why? He answered your question pronto! With pictures. That is honesty. I have a bed cover in mine and I'm not hiding anything. I want to protect it.
I don't pull it up and show it to everybody when it's at a show.

It's the buyer who should ask the right questions before buying! I don't see anything wrong with it myself even the bed but if I was looking to buy it I would be having him send me a bunch of pictures of it.:chevy:

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Well, considering the world we live in, hiding truths is a normal thing.

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Yes, Your expectations are too high . Your shopping for an almost 50 year old truck listed in an international auction website and assuming the seller is dishonest because everything you want a picture of wasn't posted ? But when asked he provided what you requested ? If it's truly a high end truck your looking to buy make sure it's done in person so your not disappointed

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No, its not dishonest.

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Nope, not dishonest.
If he had claimed that the bed floor under the mat was mint and perfect...then yes.
There is no way there is enough room and time in an Ebay ad to audit every corner of the vehicle in text.
Anyone seriously interested will call the buyer and talk and discuss the vehicle in more detail.

Coley

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Sometimes when making a for sale ad anywhere providing every last bit of detail good or bad is difficult.
One gets focused on the top selling points of the item too entice buyers or peak intrest in the item. After all your trying too sell.
Honesty plays a big part when describing an item. it is up too the individual too do there best.
I see this guy did nothing wrong he just did not disclose the bed floor in his ad but he did show pics of the bed with the cover on it.
That was good if ya ask me the mat is a add on/extra witch is a good selling point who doesn't want a mat too protect there bed floor paint.
I don't believe I would've thought too take another pic of the actual floor either. Since he replied quickly I'm sure it was just a oversite.

I bought nos parts off eBay that were local so I asked to pick them up. Glad I did cause from the pic or description you could not see the stuff was clearly not nos but used parts that still had gm stickers on.
Dude was caught red handed when I pointed out the bolt marks and oblonged holes.
After a bit of contraversy he refunded me $ on the spot.
I would've had to jump through hurdles if it didn't go down that way.

Honesty sells, and people will remember.

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Nobody called anybody dishonest because they had a bed cover on his truck.

Its not at a show its for sale. and with so many other detailed pictures why omit any of the most important bed details.

If it was a simple oversight then thats what it is. And his quick response gives him some credability. I've been in this game along time and usually "oversite" like this is an indication that something may be wrong.I know the truck business having had a few and sold a few and been on this and other sites. It raises doubts. and with so many scams one has to worry about I dont bother risking it.

Plus there are may examples of the right way to present a vehicle. And this is a used car lot? what? they have not been in business long enough to know how to present a vehicle in a similar way.

I stated that I dont see anything wrong with the bed. I dont see anything wrong with the bed to justify a serious ommission like that. He may have simply made a mistake or he may be an idiot. but Ebay has been around a while, crooks have too. Sorry but too many examples of how its done right to except an excuse. Its a used car lot. Knowing that now makes me even more suspect about his intent. I'm not saying he should go to jail but maybe me and a few others are tired of the lame excuses people dredge up to excuse thier incompetence when in reality thier really hiding something.

Not saying he is, and from the looks of the bed I dont understand why it was an oversite. The bed looks good enough to be a selling point.

Just my opinion having sold about a dozen cars on ebay. A used car lot that is so clumsy in the execution of a skill and responsability that is thier bread and butter.... Hmm? I suppose they could be idiots. even with idiots, there are too many complications.

the buyer did ask the right question, perhaps he should ask a whole lot more

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I suppose they could be idiots. even with idiots, there are too many complications.

This is good saying,love it.

Did you ever talk too somebody so stupid they make you squint. Lol

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I worked at dealerships for many years and think this comment nailed it.

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I don't think the guy was dishonest at all. He provided the pictures you asked for. I don't think the bed looks bad, either. If it had rust holes or was even really worn, that might be an issue, but it doesn't look like the seller was trying to hide anything.

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OK so he's honest. just not very candid up front. Still.... Thats a grave mistake to make when your in that business.Look at the contraversy serounding it on this forum simply becaus of an "oversite". I also worked at a used car lot back in the 80's in Delaware. I know what an oversite is. Its also election year So we all see exaples of the verbal shell game being played out every night in our living rooms. Call it what you want. Just dont sell the car to your self. let the seller sell it to you and do yourself and your wallet a favor and shut up and listen. Silence freaks out liars.

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The truck has a bed mat in it. When he drives the truck it has a bed mat in it. So when he took pics, it had the bed mat in it. I don't see any intentional dishonesty. It's part of the truck. He responded quickly and appropriately to an asked question. Seems pretty honest to me.

I think people's expectations are getting a little high these days.

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still kinda scarry. when you think about it. what used car dealer being... used car dealers.....does not inspect a vehicle that comes on the lot even if only to lift the liner and inspect the bed. Cummon! they know what they do and what? they dont think someone else isnt goint to try to pull the same thing on them.

No. you cant convince me that in addition to the oversite of not showing images of the bed they them selves forgot or through additional oversite failed to lift a rubber mat and inspect the bed. We both worked in used car lots. I certainly know better. Maybe they said that but , being a used car dealer yourself, would you believe them, you, me us them.

neither would I.

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A dumb crook will lie. A smart crook will tell and show you as little as possible and leave the rest for you to ask.

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Not dishonest at all.

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are you a potential buyer or just trolling? if it was my action you posted here you would be on my blocked bidder list

I've sold a ton of stuff on ebay and there have been plenty of times that i had pic's that i intended to add but forgot until someone asked for them.

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I do not sell on eBay or craigslist anymore due to the time thievery that is occurring on those sites. I would get the strangest calls and emails from people asking for every little ridiculous piece of information only to fall off the face of the earth after saying they would be buying the vehicle. A lot of lonely weirdos out there with time to kill in between their Barrett Jackson or monkey garage reruns. . Best sales I've ever had were bidders I never spoke to. They would win, call me, wire the money and say thank you! I personally just drive out or fly out to inspect a vehicle if I'm dead serious about it. Luckily I have tons of airline miles but, I've often flown out to see a car or truck for $200 round trip. It really is up to a buyer to do their due diligence if truly serious. On another note, am I blind or what am I missing that is bad with this particular bed???

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This was the whole reason for this thread!

The guy has a bed mat on his truck and because he didn't lift it up to post pictures this thread was started. Well it sounds like the OP had problems with it.
You want to buy a 40-50 year old truck then be realistic about what you are buying and go look at it in person at the very least. Are have a certified person look at it at least. If you buy it over a phone call you get what you get.:chevy:

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I agree with this.
Kudos to both parties.
Kudos to the potential buyer for asking about the bed condition beforehand.
Kudos to the seller for giving a quick and honest response.

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Thanks everyone for your comments. I appreciate the time and thought that went into each response. It's up to me to be realistic about my expectations and ask questions which I'll do on Tuesday when they open. Following that, I'll order a third party inspection and assuming no issues make an offer.

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and when he sells the truck it has a bed mat in it. that must be a coinsidence. No excuse to look under the mat is it. doing so strongly suggests the seller is dishonest.

maybe jimmy hoffa or a chest of gold is under the mat. dont bother looking if its just condition your worried about.

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Having read another thread last week, I followed up to ask if the truck was an original short bed or cut. I got the standard answer "as far as we know". I asked for the SPID which was promptly sent. They also volunteered that the oil pressure gauge did not work, probably a short.

I take back everything I said, these guys are very professional and a pleasure to work with . This truck is in the great state of Tennessee after all. Getting the inspection this week, I'll post it for your review.

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The oil pressure gauge is mechanical not electronic if it is a factory gauge

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So the gauge needs to be replaced, seems like that would be an easier fix than finding a short?

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Wouldn't stress over it , he did send pic of bed upon request , if he stated it had new brakes , should he pull the drums & post a pic? Its a nice lookin pu.

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I agree with your wife...

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I don't know about you cats... but I think the bed looks like it's in pretty damn good shape!

Gary

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Boy did I hit a nerve, I was wrong, I'm sorry, please see post # 29. Where's the love fellas, why everyone wanna open a can of whoop a$$ on on me?

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Not sure if anyone is still interested in the thread but here's a link to the inspection report. I considered starting a new thread but think that is frowned upon.

http://www.carzinspection.com/viewin...ode=glsm66xmin

Use my name "Robert Sawyer" and "4762" to view the report.

Here's the eBay listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/272213153968...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Impressed again that the dealer put the truck on the rack for the inspector.

This is about as turn-key truck as you can get I think. Here's a summary of the report for anyone that is unable to read the report.

This vehicle is a very usable unit and a very good driver. The paint work is clean and shiny with no chips and very well coated. The right white side panel in the bed side has some orange peel that should buff right out. The doors and hood open and close exceptionally well and are tight. The tailgate operation is also good. All windows and glass are tightly sealed and operate as they should. The steering wheel is a later model with the horn not working at this time. The engine appears to be tight and clean. It is not a recent rebuild but is very quiet and sound. It has a new carburetor. It starts up immediately every time and idles very well. The exhaust system is old and is the original type of stock truck mufflers that sound great. The rear end is a limited slip type that will spin both rear tires. The oil pressure gauge does not work, but the engine has good oil pressure. The steering is original and tight with no obvious steering play. The brakes stop straight and quietly. No leaks or drips were observed after the road test. The only negative issue to me is the support braces that have pen hole rust through. These do not effect any operation and will not affect any other areas of the unit. The floors are solid and clean. The body is also solid and clean with no evidence of underneath rusting to work through or external rust issues. The air condition issue appears to be that the unit has never had A/C but the front core support and the engine came from a vehicle that had A/C at one time. The transmission cooler lines should be rerouted to install a simple external cooler and will support any transmission use or aggressive driving without any problem. All suspension is very tight and clean, Only the two trailing arms for the rear suspension have dry rot cracked bushings, which do not need servicing in my opinion. The drive shaft center support bushing should be mounted to secure the drive shaft properly but did not give any symptom of a problem in the road test. You could spend #500.00 repairing the unit installing a after market transmission cooler and supporting the drive shaft properly and addressing the horn issue and the oil pressure gauge issue and have a very solid unit. The under carriage could have the other mechanical items such as the transmission and lower engine and suspension parts well cleaned and do a fiber surface sealing on the pin hole rust through on the support brackets, as well as a clean plastic under coating. -

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I provide a full description when I sell. It's the better way of dong things. Second people sense the honesty, so I have no trouble selling items quickly at a fair price.

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He obviously uses the truck as a truck for some stuff so after a good few dings probably though alright let's get a mat in here to stop further damage. Just like when guys rhino line there new trucks. It's a truck...?

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I don't think it was dishonest. Nowadays, a seller who goes open kimono on the warts is a nice-to-have, but I sure wouldn't set the bar that high. Caveat emptor applies, and you asked the right question (show me the bed) and he responded. I'd say he's a pretty good seller. Better than most anyway. I understand why you asked - i.e. almost appeared to be hiding the dings in the bed, but I wouldn't go that far. Nice truck.

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Again I agree with this analogy of what probably happened.