No-limit relocation kit shocks at an angle Why ?
 

I'm researching my rear shock relocation options, and I like the looks and theory behind the No-limit outboard mount location, but don't understand why the upper mount is placed so far back that it puts the shock at quite an angle and therefore in an arc opposite to that of the trailing arms arc (a double no-no).

Is it to maximize shock length ? or does the stock panhard bar frame mount interfere ? Or is there something else I'm missing ?

I may just fab my own so any insight would be appreciated,

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watching for some answers here. FREE BUMP

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On their website, they have an article (it sounds like it was written by a 3rd party magazine, but it doesn't give anyone credit) about the install:
http://nolimit.net/tech-center/67-c1...on-kit-1963-72

In the article it says:
"By far the biggest mistake made by the engineers at General Motors during the early sixties was the shock placement on the trailing arm suspension. But who knew that these trucks were going to be pushed to the limits of performance driving. No Limit found the cure for the shock placement mishap that gives C-10 enough “body roll” to make someone sea-sick. By re-locating the shocks “outboard” rather than inboard of the frame, your C-10 will become more stable in the turns. Also by moving the shocks behind the axle, they complement the ride quality as well as they can now control the “wheel hop” that many trucks are prone to."

I know zip about suspension geometry specifically, but their flowery speech sure makes it sound awesome.

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Well I have the kit on my 71 and I'll say this. The truck handles way better and I have min body roll.:chevy:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...m/DSCF0078.JPG


http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...m/DSCF0082.JPG

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Never seen or heard this, this is why we love this forum ;) Thanks Andy for the feedback and pics, I will be ordering mine soon :chevy:

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It actually keeps them more vertical .........

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Got this kit on my 63 with 5 in drop coils in the back. Love it rides better than stock 😎 as far as the angle Idk I'm not that smart. I'd say something to do with the travel of the trailing arms, they have a fulcrum point where they attach to the frame, making the rear end travel at a radius instead of completely vertical up and down movement. I'm sure it ant much of a radius but I assume the angle is the best compensation for that....? Or there was just a reference point hole there to go off of for the customers ease of installation. Lol not sure just my thoughts good question :mm:

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Have this kit on a bagged 68 SWB and the difference in ride/handling is very noticable.

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Subscribed to remember these. This looks like a good option instead of having my rear shocks dang near laying flat to the stock mounts with a lowering kit.

Gary

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Other than the LS motor and cruise control it's one of the best mods on my truck!
By the way I took the rear sway bar off the truck after installing it.:chevy:

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I am curious to know at what point you need this done? Nobody has said any thing as of what the amount of lowering was used like for a 1" lowering or a 2" lowering or a 3" lowering and so on 3", 4", 5".

I guess my point is at what point does the Suspension need the shock relocation done to correct the problem when lowering these trucks rear Suspension as much as some people like them.

Mine I will be using only a 2" lowered/dropped rear Coil Springs and the fronts will have only a 1" lowered/dropped Coil Springs.

Will I be OK with my small drops or will I still need to do the Shock relocation deal? My truck will NOT be going into turns at High Speeds at all, its a Truck not a Corvette! It does look like the information above is useful for the Extreme Drops.

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Kit is for any ride height including stock. Different drops different shocks. Affects ride quality greatly. Suspension geometry bla diddy bla bla. I recommend the kit works great

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Mine was for 4" drop static in the rear.
The kit itself is worth it even for a stock ride because it moves the shocks to the outside of the frame for better ride quality. Hardly any body roll at all.:chevy:

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These are only made for 2WD trucks I take it?

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Trailing arm setup only. I think all K trucks were leaf correct me if I'm wrong

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I wouldn't say all half tons ether, gmc were leaf also if I recall correctly

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Here's the post when No Limit first made them:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444925

Interesting stuff. I really didn't know about these, but now that I do, I'm definitely going to get them. They cause a scrub line issue though. If you want to use drop blocks, and this kit, you'll need a 17" wheel or more.

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OK thanks. That's what I figured after reading the article and only mentioning the trailing arm/coil suspensions.
Would be nice to move the shocks outboard on the leaf trucks too. I suppose something can be fabricated.

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Outside of this kit, they recommend shock relocating at 4" or more drop. The other options help correct the angle in original location. This kit is newly engineered to locate shocks outboard like on newer vehicles, which is a benefit at any height for stability, and a correction for lowered angles.

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If just wanting to re angle the rear shocks I wonder if this Kit from Brothers would work just as well.

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very smooth, just make sure to get the right shock length

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For the difference in price go with the No Limit kit. Much better kit.:chevy:

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Wow Andy,your rear tires sure are close too the inner fender huh.

Signing on too this one too see what the op comes up with, you all know why...

Ck, those are pretty much the standard aftermarket relocators same as ece's relocators.
There is a write up in the fac section on how too make these out of the oe mounts.
If Ya have the tools they are very easy too make from box tube.

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I'll have to try and remember these no limit ones when I lower my truck

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This would be right up "WES"'s ally ...

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Andy's tires are close as like mine are also, this is what you get when a 12" wide tire is stuffed into there. here is my pics.

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Yes it was very close and I did that with my tire choice. I have since added a 1/4" spacer and have had no issues. I also had to re set the trailing arm also and re center it.:chevy:

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So lots of interest in this topic but no answer to my question hey ?

It boggles my mind that not one company has come up with a better relocation kit and especially when there's no reason the shocks can't be mounted where they should be ?! Wow !
Hmmmm ... (my eyes closed, hands on forehead) I see a new business in my future ...

Just in case anybody wants to know, see the attached pic for the near-perfect shock layout, yeah they're coil-overs on this truck but same concept (thanks to Mike ? for pic).

Well ... I guess I will be adding "fab shock relocation brackets" to my 'to-do' list !
No worries - I will post my results !

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Yeah but, What size tires can you run 70s ?

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Unless my eyes are not correct a stock bed will not sit on that set of shock towers on your picture.
Just for the record. The stock shock mounts are mounted fine for a stock truck. When people lower them they put more angle in them which in turn makes them less effective which if you look at a bunch of truck that have not done anything to the rear shocks the mounts are either broke are fixing to break.The attachment point is not very good even on the stock shock ride.:chevy:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...1&d=1469284605

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Yup, it's true that shocks outboard of the frame rails offer more stability. They work great on leaf springs trucks, but one of the reason's GM engineer's likely never installed shocks this way is lateral movement. When these trucks were new they had skinny tires that were inches from the wheel wells. When a truck is loaded, or just during everyday driving, the rear end is moving side to side as it moves up and down, whereas in a leaf spring truck, it can only move up and down. The reason GM tilted the shocks inside of the frame rails is so the shock essentially moves side to side with the rear axle as it moves up and down. They gave up stability for longevity. If you look at the leaf spring rear trucks of the same years, while they are mounted inboard of the frame, GM put the shocks dang near straight up and perpendicular to the ground because the leaf rears had no lateral movement.

I can see potential wear issues with this kit, and as mentioned above, I could see how the holes on the lower mount could possibly become wallered out from all the lateral movement. But, with all that said, that would likely take a long ass time, especially since *most* of us probably only drive these beasts a few thousand miles a year to dairy queen and back. Again, with that said, I'd be interested in this kit if I didn't already spend a ton of money on my ECE kit and new shocks... :) I wouldn't be able to address my ECE adjustable panhard bar mount with this kit either.

*Just trying to defend my fellow engineers from back in the day ;)

*Assuming the bed still fit (and with mods anything will fit, I've seen floors a few inches from the top of a bed) the shock placement on the green truck above is about perfect. The shocks can move freely "side to side" by going up and down through their cycle, no side to side wear.

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I researched NASCAR a bit, and they have the best looking set up. The shocks are behind the rear axle, almost straight up and down, BUT they're mounted 90* of how they're typically mounted which essentially eliminates any binding the side to side movement can cause... I'd like to see someone come up with a kit like this for these trucks (again, this is very similar to the shocks on the green truck.)

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What happened to your frame rail there, looks to be a bit twisted :uhmk:

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I'm more curious about the magical thief that ran off with his spare tire even though it was locked up.:lol:

Andy,
I guess we do what ever it takes too "get them in there".
And I thought the rears wheels/tires on my Camaro were close.

I too thought the angle on the no limit kits were weird...that's one of the reasons I said about making my own mounts in previous threads you would think with the slight arc the arms travel in they would lean the shocks forward.
Then clearance becomes a issue.

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This truck was bought with a Salvaged Title, what you saw there at the frame rail is what Got the trucks Salvage Title. The past owner DID NOT Insure it properly in the first place. **This was my First & Only/Last Salvaged Title I will ever go through "ever".

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WOW nuten gets by you. The tire was in for repair !!!

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I'd love to get the top brackets. Already have the lower ones from ECE. Any leads on the top brackets only, before I call No Limits and ask them if they'll sell me the tops only?

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Only on my own projects, overthinking and my brain going 5 steps ahead.
I tend too not see what I'm really doing at the moment. You could say I'm working on that:lol:

Some of the people I do work for appreciate that I'm very good at spotting problems, others seem too not like it cause it usually cost them more $.

Why not use the same studs as the front upper mount for the top rear mounts.
Most guys that want this mod are lowered and could probably use front shocks on the rear anyway.
I have a notch and between the notch and frame thickness it should be more stable than the front. I can see the length of the stud might be a issue since the fronts angle outward witch gives the shock body space between it and the frame but theres gotta be a way around that.

The studs are available dang near anywhere.
I dug some new ones out of my stash a long while ago just too see how it would work out....but they been sitting on my bench for about 6 months and my poor 67 still sits snuggled in its cover.....soon

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Where and how does a person find in the (fac) or faq section about how too make your own out of the oe mounts, I tried it with several "wording ways" but nothing. IN your Public Profile the truck you show looks great with that Sports Bed, its a short bed right. Do you have more of it with some rear views?

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I think this is what you're looking for ck ?;
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=359399

"OE shock relocators" is how I found it.