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Hello, I've been looking for a C10 for a while that I can work on with my boys as they get older. I found a 72 C10 SWB for $2500. They guy said the ID in the glove box doesn't match the original VIN. How big of a deal is this? I'd like to eventually tear the whole thing down to the frame and build it from the ground up. Now the guy doesn't want to share the VIN for some reason. Should I be worried? It's a 4 hour drive to even check it out. I can post pics of that would help. Just looking to see if I'm being taken or not. Any advice would be appreciated.

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He did share the first 6 of the VIN. Matches the description he gave me so far. CS142B

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Just like Firedemon says, the VIN tag should be on the cab in the drivers side door and on the frame by power steering pump. I've looked at some rough examples that still had the VIN on the frame. I've also seen some trucks that didn't have the original VIN tag on the door but had a "replacement" tag from the state where the truck was titled. For that price and with your plan to restore you should go take a look anyway and you may be able to solve the VIN issue while you verify if the truck is really worth the price. Probably a good investment in an 8 hour round trip. I've gone farther.

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Unless you see the rosette rivets, I'd walk away. But I'd probably walk away anyway. There are projects just as nice for that price - not worth the hassle to deal with a hesitant seller and a mixed VIN soup. To register it, I'd remove the glove box door beforehand personally to avoid confusion.

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Aww, not what I wanted to hear! lol, I'm having a hard time finding a decent shaped SWB truck within a day's worth of driving for under $4k that isn't a complete rust bucket.

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Sorry. There's no guarantee it's a swb truck - could be shortened frame or a cab swap onto a swb frame, shortened bed, added real swb bed to a shortened frame, who knows. I'm not at home or I'd crosscheck the gvwr for a swb c10 - don't recall if it's the same as the lwb. I don't see any other way to verify it was originally a swb truck without a SPID unless you inspect it.

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Is it just me or does it appear that none of the body lines match up and the panels are all tweaked up?

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In photo 3, I swear that I can see a faint vertical line in the area where a long wheel base would be cut to shorten(?).

Also, in that last photo, the rear wheel looks to be too far forward in the wheel opening(?). There is a LOT of filler behind the passenger side bed panel too.

I'm not bashing the truck, just making observations.

POP

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Bash away. This is what I need to hear to get educated. Thanks for the tips. The more I read, the more I worry about this truck in particular.

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The truck in this ad has the rear wheels forward in the wheel well also. https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/6203885963.html

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I agree with most of the other comments.
My observations relate to the pic of the full side of the trick, 3 things standout
1) The paint forward of the rear wheel well looks new and in great shape ...possibly signs of the 'shortening' process?..where it would be cut/welded/filled and repainted, etc.
2) The wheel well looks likes its about 1"-2" too far back relative to the wheel centreline.
3) Its a leaf spring truck...instead of a trailing arm coil spring. Nothing wrong with this but these might have been easier to shorten than the trailing arm style? ...experts can weigh in on that.

So:
Ask the seller if this truck was shortened/modified down from a long wheel base truck?...and if he isn't sure....then prompt him to take 15-20 seconds and check the frame for patches and the strapping plates or post a couple of quick pics of it under there for you.
If he isn't up to this....then he isn't a seller to deal with. Move on and be patient there are a lot more trucks out there.

All Good
Coley

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Thanks for the input. I'll see if he can get me some frame pics.

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Without seeing it in person it's hard too tell.

I don't believe the bed was cut as there is no indication of any stake pockets or welds inside the bed.

Most times the rear wheels always look too far forward but this one seems "off" just by the pic. It could also be the angle of the pics but the cab-bed gap looks off too. But if someone put the bed on a short end frame then why didn't they try too push the front panel back better than it is.

One thing is for sure that driver side rocker looks way off.

I would certainly check the driver and passenger side inner cowl for rust as some is evident on the firewall.

I'm curious as too why the power booster isn't hooked up.

The fenders definitely weren't lined up.

This could be a good deal for a swb but a good look around it would really tell the story.

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More pictures added to this album.
https://imgur.com/a/52xtb
Looks like the frame hasn't been cut to me. The rivets look good too...I'll head down Saturday AM and check it out in person. Anything else I should look at?
If I pick it up, I'll have to get a build thread going along with some ideas on where to even start! lol
I can't thank you all enough for your help though.

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Any seller that won't be up front with anything when it comes to numbers should be avoided at all costs. There is a reason why they are being shady as hell.

The alternator is on the wrong side so the engine is either a later model transplant with a long water pump, or it could be a later model frame and engine combo.

When someone won't divulge numbers it means you're about to get a crap deal.

Gary

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He's been pretty good about answering my messages and giving me pics of whatever I ask for, he just didn't want to send the full VIN for whatever reason.
What I did see of the VIN said it was a 6 cylinder truck originally, so the 350 is definitely not original. Guy claims he is asking for what he paid for it because he has medical bills. I did get a video of the engine running. I couldn't detect any odd sounds from it while it was running.

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I'm not really thrilled about the vodka bottle or whatever it is under the hood, lol.

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Tell him to send you a pic of the frame under the cab and also a pic of the VIN stamped on the frame. ;)

Gary

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So there should be a VIN near the steering box? From what I read the one above the cab is not visible while the cab is on...

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My 2 cents .... it gets to a point where it is what it is ... esp at that price and it's running ..... looking for a good father son project ... there u go .. plenty to do there ..... few things that are good to know like if bed was cut down ... if it was it's not that big of a deal ... so long as u know . Is frame straight ? ..... hopefully vin number matching title works out .

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He said he has a clear Indiana title on it. I'll be sure to check as much as I can when I get to see it in person.

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I wouldn't waste your time going to look at it. Rust repair may be easier. Everything is way off. That rocker is about 1-2 inches lower than the cab corner. Like others have said the wheels are not sitting where they are supposed to sit. I think you will be repairing or replacing everything you would as if it was a rust bucket because things aren't put together right. The way the seller is acting it could be a nightmare trying to getting it registered. I'd keep saving or keep looking.

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The bed was almost certainly not shortened as the front of the wheel well at the bottom is square and there are no center stake pockets on the bed rail, nobody ever fixes those things and most certainly not both items

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Thanks for the info.
I'm getting some mixed signals from everyone, lol. Is this worth pursuing or should I look for something else?

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It sure looks like someone else's headache to me, but I could be wrong. What are you looking for exactly? And what's your budget? Do you have to have a short bed? There are lots of nice long beds out there. I would sure look for a more original, not messed with truck. If you're not in a big hurry I would keep looking. Good luck

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I totally agree with this comment. If all the paper work is in order (especially if it is currently registered) there should be no problems there. Crawl around under the truck and have a good look see for signs of serious rust, possible butchering and anything that seems out of place. The truck is what it is, a project. A lot will depend on the amount of work you can do yourself. I would walk away if he WON'T let you drive it.... If it goes down the road decent, runs good and the tranny shifts good I know I'd probably buy it.

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I don't know about you , but I tend to look at project trucks as a sum of all the parts. You have no tailgate so you have a bed that would run you at least 500 to buy, as well as an org short disc brake frame . 800-1000. Dog house for a 72 is at least 400, and then a titled cab, [assuming the title is ok], another 650-750. Add the accessories you would need and no telling what else IE eng, tranny, seat, gas tank,easily another 2-3000. So yes, if the title is good, I would buy it, as long as there was not a problem with the frame or another costly component.

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I would still want a picture of the SPID on the glove box lid. It appears the truck was originally gold, so maybe the color remains on the back of lid?

One positive is that the engine looks pretty nice, so if it has been freshly rebuilt the engine alone might be worth $1000?

POP

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A pic of the side of the frame behind the cab where a cut and weld would have been made to make a longbed a shortbed. :)

Gary

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Does this help?

http://i.imgur.com/A3bUG6y.jpg
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He said his cousin had it rebuilt along with the trans. It sounded good in the video he sent me.

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I would move on. I have no affiliation with the following except I live in the midwest.
https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/6190107193.html

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/6179932310.html

https://racine.craigslist.org/cto/6192865823.html

They r pretty rough though.

Better ones

https://carbondale.craigslist.org/cto/6178532584.html

https://westky.craigslist.org/cto/6168221633.html

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/6196956973.html

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If it were me, I would just stop looking at that secret-VIN truck. If looking for a rough old truck, there are others available that have the original paint from the factory and all the rust it has just hanging out there in the open for you to look at, and on those types of trucks it is much easier to see a real picture of what you will have to be working on. With the secret-VIN truck there is no telling how much bondo is under that spray paint.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to hide or keep secret a VIN, so that alone would make me pass, but then I'm kind of particular anyway.

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Hey guys, thanks so much for the valuable input. I've learned a lot in the past few days. I did hear back from the guy, he sold the truck before I got to even see it. The waiting and watching game starts over. I look forward to finding something and starting a build thread on here so that I can continue to learn from the great group of folks on this board.

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More

https://springfieldil.craigslist.org...200782070.html

https://springfieldil.craigslist.org...196672650.html

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Not to be negative, but be glad that one is gone and you didn't waste a day of driving. Try not to get in too big of a hurry, a better truck is out there.

Tell us exactly what you're looking for again. This board is full of great guys willing to send leads on trucks they find.

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No worries. I'd really like a SWB 2wd C10. 67-72, year isn't an issue. Budget is under $10k, lower the better so says the wife.

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2500 was priced to sell ... guy might of even got it for 2 ..... but s*** u gotta pretty good budget yer good !

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Hey guys, found another. This guy hasn't been afraid to share the VIN but said the glove box doesn't have the SPID.

Thoughts?

$5000 OBO

http://imgur.com/a/CmgNF