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waterboy202 01-28-2007 11:13 AM

67 Power steering?
 
I just got my 67' frame back from the powdercoater and I think I made a little mistake. I went to bolt on a new power steering gear box and it hits the frame. I heard you have to dimple the frame. Does anybody have any input on what I should do? Do they make some spacers to go behind the gear box? I am new to the forum so this is my first post. Thanks!

rage'nrat638 01-28-2007 11:29 AM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
welcome to the board :metal:

your info is coming up..i am sure it will be answered.
your pal mark :hm:

jimmydean 01-28-2007 12:10 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
There is a plate you can buy and bolt on rather than hitting your frame with a hammer. Since you just paid good money for coating, I would just bolt up the plate. It acts as a spacer.

From GMC Pauls:
67-68 Power Steering Conversion Kit
692996 1967-68 Power steering conversion kit, includes required brackets, shims, bolts, washers and nuts required to mount a integral power steering gearbox to the frame of 1967 and early 1968 frames without the required indentation in frame.

$59.95

53lowdown 01-28-2007 12:10 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Hits the frame? Do you mean it is hitting the bumper bracket? You have to notch the bumper bracket to clear the power steering gear.
http://members.cox.net/dlong18/image...ng%20003-2.jpg

http://members.cox.net/dlong18/image...ng%20004-2.jpg

msgross 01-28-2007 12:24 PM

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no, he's talking the frame inside the bolts for the PS pump. I have heard of the "dimple" method (last choice), welding a piece off a newer frame (better choice) or the GMC Paul conversion (best choice).

Remember that you might need to install Borgeson U-joints to line the steering linkage back up. Here is a borrowed pic of the 2nd choice, what i'm gonna do. Since you already coated your frame them I would contact GMC Paul....remember to mock EVERYTHING up first...hindsight's 20/20 so good luck...

Here's the U-joints
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...9&autoview=sku

STP67-72 01-28-2007 12:30 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
I machined some spacers before on customers truck. I think they were about 3/8 inch thick. Hope this helps.

Bob Moore 01-28-2007 12:42 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
I think you can use a flat washer about 1/8th inch thick. Before you buy the kit from GMC Paul try the washers. Only being 1/8th offset you don't need any special u-joints, etc. Did this to my 67 454 powered C20 back in '93 and still good to this day.

waterboy202 01-28-2007 02:04 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Thanks guys for all the help. I will have to post some pics of the progress. I have dropped spindles and rotors and all the front end part on order. Thanks again.

Bart:metal:

Tim Christian 01-28-2007 10:03 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
What Bob said. My 67 GMC was done with spacers. No problems here.

waterboy202 01-28-2007 11:28 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Thanks for the info Tim and Bob. I will try that and see how it works. Tim, are you going to be at Super Chevy in Memphis this year? Hope to see you there.

Bart

Brad 01-29-2007 02:55 AM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Moore (Post 2006544)
I think you can use a flat washer about 1/8th inch thick. Before you buy the kit from GMC Paul try the washers. Only being 1/8th offset you don't need any special u-joints, etc. Did this to my 67 454 powered C20 back in '93 and still good to this day.

:agree:
Here's the caveot- IIRC, the early 67 frames were completely flat in that area, but the later model '67 frames had the spacer pads. Of course the '68's had the dimple and the pads. I would see what you have first and then try 2 washers on each pad. It's worked for me for 5 years now and no need to buy anything extra.

Brad 01-29-2007 02:56 AM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Moore (Post 2006544)
I think you can use a flat washer about 1/8th inch thick. Before you buy the kit from GMC Paul try the washers. Only being 1/8th offset you don't need any special u-joints, etc. Did this to my 67 454 powered C20 back in '93 and still good to this day.

:agree:
Here's the caveat- IIRC, the early 67 frames were completely flat in that area, but the later model frames had the spacer pads. Of course the '68's had the dimple and the pads. I would see what you have first and then try 2 washers on each pad. It's worked for me for 5 years now and no need to buy anything extra.

msgross 01-29-2007 07:40 AM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
my 68 is flat... I will post pics when I work on mine

Brad 01-30-2007 04:11 AM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by msgross (Post 2007803)
my 68 is flat... I will post pics when I work on mine

Interesting, I'd like to see that. I could be way off base on my observations. It could be that different plants were doing different things-nothing unheard of.

HeavyD 01-30-2007 08:23 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
What is the problem with dimpling the frame? Is it too easy to mess up?

Bob Moore 01-30-2007 08:40 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Heavy D - there is nothing wrong with dimpling the frame except in this case he has had it powder coated already. When I built my 1st 67 I did not have access to a torch. The washers have worked for 13 years now just fine. My current 67 was previous dimpled by the PO.

raiders3581 01-30-2007 09:17 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
my frame was dimpled already so must be a late 67 i will try to post some pics tomorrow .

qksilver 01-30-2007 11:35 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
I have both a 2 wheel and 4 wheel drive 68's that do not have the dimple or the raised pads.
I do have a 67 2 wheel that has the raised pads. They built them with what they had!

msgross 02-19-2007 10:38 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 2009111)
Interesting, I'd like to see that. I could be way off base on my observations. It could be that different plants were doing different things-nothing unheard of.

Here ya go....


Here is my 68 frame
http://lh6.google.com/image/hawkdriv...8/DSC02575.JPG

And here is the later model 4WD PS pump... just a mock up to see what I need to do

http://lh4.google.com/image/hawkdriv...8/DSC02576.JPG

Bob Moore 02-19-2007 11:35 PM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
Yes - I can see why you would NOT want to use spacers if you had a 67/68 frame without the raised pads. As I said in my case the raised pads were there just not the dimple. The washers I used were right at 1/8th inch thick.

It looks like that without the raised pads you would have to use at least a 3/8ths spacer maybe even more. In that case you could have some alinement problems with the steering column. I was fortunate to have the pads on both of my 67s.

This is why I think so much of this board. After 14 years of playing with these old trucks I still learn something.

Waterboy202 what did you wind up doing?

jmking9 03-14-2007 03:31 AM

Re: 67 Power steering?
 
msgross, what did you end up doing with the frame. i'm curious because i have the same issue.

msgross 03-14-2007 08:29 AM

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still in the process, I am attempting to get a piece of later model frame and weld it to mine like this pic below...(borrowed pic from board member) Unless you dimple the frame then you will most likely have to use a U-joint in your steering shaft to line it up again (so i've been told).


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