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denny5625 10-13-2011 09:24 PM

small block 400
 
Anybody know much about the 400 small blocks? A guy gave me a standard bore complete motor but I don't know to much about them. Thanks.

webfoot 10-13-2011 09:27 PM

Re: small block 400
 
They are externally balanced, other than that, not much different about them. If the block is good build it!

gonnuts 10-13-2011 11:14 PM

Re: small block 400
 
Build it you'll love it.

screaminchevypickup 10-13-2011 11:46 PM

Re: small block 400
 
Is it 2 or 4 bolt? The 2 bolt 400s are stronger than the 4 bolt blocks
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denny5625 10-14-2011 12:10 AM

Re: small block 400
 
I'm pretty sure he said it was a 2 bolt but haven't pulled any numbers off it. He said it ran fine when pulled so who knows. The guy is into those dirty F word cars and trucks and said he'd never use it so he just gave it to me!

Average Joe 10-14-2011 12:18 AM

Re: small block 400
 
As others have said the 2 bolt in this case is more desirable than the 4 bolts. The 509 casting is the cats meow.

truckster 10-14-2011 12:54 AM

Re: small block 400
 
Great engine. In addition to the external balance, the cylinders are siamesed, and the heads need to have steam holes, but you can take a 350 head (like a vortec) and drill them.

They are less forgiving than some if they're overheated, so make sure your cooling system is up to snuff.

denny5625 10-14-2011 01:00 AM

Re: small block 400
 
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Originally Posted by truckster (Post 4952538)
Great engine. In addition to the external balance, the cylinders are siamesed, and the heads need to have steam holes, but you can take a 350 head (like a vortec) and drill them.

They are less forgiving than some if they're overheated, so make sure your cooling system is up to snuff.

Huh? Now you're talk'n a foreign language! LOL! Thats what I heard years ago that they had overheating problems. Does the machine shop do the drilling on the heads?

hugger6933 10-14-2011 06:11 AM

Re: small block 400
 
no machine shop needed. Just a 1/8 inch [I think] drill bit. just place a new gasket on the head and that will give you the location to drill. If I remember it is 4 holes, very simple you should be able to find a write on it on the net

special-K 10-14-2011 06:19 AM

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They have a longer stroke,so they make great torque. It's a 400 crank that is used for 383s built from 350 blocks. I never experienced any overheating problems from a standard bore. It's when they are over bored,which is limited. With a healthy cooling system there will be no problems. They make great drag motors bored into 406s and up to 427.

Camaro_nut2001 10-14-2011 07:31 AM

Re: small block 400
 
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Originally Posted by denny5625 (Post 4952483)
I'm pretty sure he said it was a 2 bolt but haven't pulled any numbers off it. He said it ran fine when pulled so who knows. The guy is into those dirty F word cars and trucks and said he'd never use it so he just gave it to me!

WOW!!! Great score! Build it mildly for a street motor or build it wildly for a street/strip motor but either way I think you're gonna be very pleased with it. They're torque monsters!!! I've got a 1509 400 that I plan on building this spring for my '96 S10. Keep me in mind if you decide you want to "Not Fool With It" lol.

BADPURPLE70CHEVY 10-14-2011 09:55 AM

Re: small block 400
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denny5625 (Post 4952547)
Huh? Now you're talk'n a foreign language! LOL! Thats what I heard years ago that they had overheating problems. Does the machine shop do the drilling on the heads?

If your cooling is up to par like radiator, good cooling fans you will not have problems. I have a 406 with aluminum heads making 500+ horses and i never have a overheating problem. In 95 degree weather this summer mine ran around 185. My brother drag races and has 3 406 motors and has no problems.These 400's are torque beasts. Be prepared...lol:lol:

406 Q-ship 10-14-2011 12:49 PM

Re: small block 400
 
He gave you a 400 for free.......you lucky dog! 400 got a bad rap about overheating, they are no worse than any engine. Change to a longer rod when you rebuild and overbore to .030 and never go more than .040 on a street 400.......hmm does anyone make an off the shelf .020 over 400 piston? Check out this months Car Craft Mag, Jeff Smith just redid a 406 SBC that make 500 Lbs/ft with Vortec heads.

I actually have a brand new GM 400 block in my garage that I don't what to do with it.

truckster 10-14-2011 01:22 PM

Re: small block 400
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denny5625 (Post 4952547)
Huh? Now you're talk'n a foreign language! LOL! Thats what I heard years ago that they had overheating problems. Does the machine shop do the drilling on the heads?

If you lay a 400 head gasket on a 350 head, you will see some small holes next to the web between the cylinders. Those keep steam from building up on the 400. You can drill them with hand drill, or any machine shop will know what to do.

Overheating with the 400s is misunderstood by a lot of people. The 400 isn't any more likely to overheat than a 350 or any other SBC. The 400 is less tolerant of overheating than other SBCs, if it does overheat, because of thinner walls in the castings.

It's a great motor and I'd take it in a heartbeat. Make sure you use the right balancer and flex plate.

kwmech 10-14-2011 01:26 PM

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[QUOTE=406 Q-ship;4953178...


.....hmm does anyone make an off the shelf .020 over 400 piston? .

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I got mine from Keith Black for my 350 con rods

BADPURPLE70CHEVY 10-14-2011 11:43 PM

Re: small block 400
 
Just take your time and do it right and you will be pleased with the 400.

special-K 10-15-2011 07:09 AM

Re: small block 400
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by truckster (Post 4953226)
...Overheating with the 400s is misunderstood by a lot of people. The 400 isn't any more likely to overheat than a 350 or any other SBC. The 400 is less tolerant of overheating than other SBCs, if it does overheat, because of thinner walls in the castings...

There ya go! Heck,has no one ever roached a 350? I believe a 400 can run cooler,if anything,when driving along normal (who does that,right?) due to the torque they make and less throttle demanded. They work effortlessly where a 350 needs a slight push. They are great in the trucks. GM should have offered these. I had a stock one in a K/20 and it was an ideal motor. It got 12.5 mpg with 4.10s and 12.50/35 rubber. Never broke a sweat.

Beuford 10-15-2011 07:47 AM

Re: small block 400
 
I've built several and have one in my `70 C20 now. I love them. I've towed campers and driven in the heat out west with no problems. I have the 4 core desert cooler. With over drive and a properly tuned carb I've had 16-17 mpg at 65 mph. It's easy and you can do it at home. You'll love the engine.


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OJ1988 10-15-2011 08:48 AM

Re: small block 400
 
Great engine. Used to be worth a mint, but due to the increasing popularity of lsx, they are not as valuble as once were.

I have a .040" over 509 casting that is going in my iroc.

Donnie Mabe 10-15-2011 11:34 AM

Re: small block 400
 
just built one with vortecs dished pistons and a crane 274 cam should be nice cant wait to fire it up this week gotta go to the Redskins game tomarrow HTTR

denny5625 10-15-2011 11:55 AM

Re: small block 400
 
Thanks for all the tips and ideas. Kinda excited about the 400 now. Any year recommendations on the year of vortex heads to use or are they pretty much the same as the old school heads? :flagw:

oldblue1968chevy 10-15-2011 12:53 PM

Re: small block 400
 
Do some research, You can get brand new vortec heads from summit for about 650 bones yes theres difference between summit/dart 'vortec' heads and true GM vortec heads

OJ1988 10-15-2011 01:52 PM

Re: small block 400
 
Yes, buy your vortecs new, from summit, jegs, scroggin dickey, pace performance, etc... Don't waste your money on junkyard heads.

denny5625 10-15-2011 03:37 PM

Re: small block 400
 
I just picked the motor up from the guy and it is a 509 casting. Sweet! No holes in the block, pan or anywhere else except where they're supposed to be. Oil looked good too. Start tearing into it tomorrow and start looking for some heads!
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Daves70 10-15-2011 04:45 PM

Re: small block 400
 
When you take the heads off check for cracks between the bores and steam holes, it is fairly common if it has been run hot at some time in it's life.If no cracks rebuild it with good heads like the vortecs or my fav the AFR heads and enjoy.Also they like alot bigger cam than the 350 does.Have fun.


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