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t ohh dustins gonna kill me... you know to never ask a guy to read a tape measure rite? they always lie... well i wasnt doing it on purpose but i told ya wrong yeaterday, i measured just now from bottom of ffront frame horn to cement it was 23 inchs... bottom of furthermost back frame was 29.5 inches. sorry i gave ya the wrong measurments , and heres a pic of the springs..