laying frame question

[1971-tetanus-shot]

I just z'd my 71 C-20 4 inchs in the front, and plan on bagging it all around. Assuming I run a 27 or 28 inch tire, will I lay frame without drop spindles? I am trying to keep my 8 lug wheels and I am unable to find drop spindles for this application
Thanks
Andy

[laidout86]

i zed my 85 4 inchs up front but also running 29 inch tires with 3 inch drop spindels so u might have to get them unless u run a smaller tire

[1971-tetanus-shot]

thanks, I guess I will still hunt for spindles then

[smashingchuck]

It will be close but I don't think it will lay out.

[pharcyde05]

this is a pick of 69 with stock spin zd 2.5 in on 29 in tire

[1971-tetanus-shot]

Is that layed out? it is hard to tell from that angle

[pharcyde05]

it lays all the way it teaters on the crossmember i have to cut that down a lil it should be able to lay 20s with 30 ser tires as it is but once i put the drop spin on it it will lay out on 22s

[1lowdiesel]

Z'd 2.5 and you layin rocker?? or is that pic deceiving.

[pharcyde05]

the z is only 2.5 in had to do some work with crossmembers and frame rails to get rocker down and had to notch for trailing arms
and the bottoms of the lower a arms were droped so the bag would sit down into the arm

[bskylerj]

Originally Posted by pharcyde05

the z is only 2.5 in had to do some work with crossmembers and frame rails to get rocker down and had to notch for trailing arms
and the bottoms of the lower a arms were droped so the bag would sit down into the arm

Will you have to modify your inner fenders and how much into the bed?

[pharcyde05]

Originally Posted by bskylerj

Will you have to modify your inner fenders and how much into the bed?

yes the inner fenders are removed and the fender has to be trined also depending on tire size it may also require hood hinge relocation
there are differant ways to do bed some just tub and raise what needs to be raised
i raised the entire bed floor and rear fender wells

[Kevin45]

Hey Pharcyde05....you had better get that brake line changed around. It's got quite a bit of strain on it. They don't like to bend 90 degrees too many times.


Kevin

[1971-tetanus-shot]

Got any pics of the lower control arms?

[pharcyde05]

the wheels and tires that ar silver are a smaller diam when i put the black 17 with same diam of 20s i was going to run it raised it up about 1/4 in from laying all the way out so now i am going with drop spin to get back down and hopefully be able to lay out on 22s

[pharcyde05]

[67Fleet]

Originally Posted by pharcyde05

Wow, neat idea. So you cut out the spring pocket of the LCA, lowered it and then re-welded it back together? Do you have any more pics of that? Sounds like an inexpensive way to gain an inch or so.
By the way, I'm diggin' that yellow.

[XXL]

Originally Posted by 67Fleet

Wow, neat idea. So you cut out the spring pocket of the LCA, lowered it and then re-welded it back together? Do you have any more pics of that? Sounds like an inexpensive way to gain an inch or so.

The real benefit of doing this is that you get a "squared" bag setup. There's only a small benefit to the actual drop since, when you lower the pocket, you're just reducing your ground clearance. Very quickly, the ground clearance problem outweighs the drop you get from the bag mount being lower.

[pharcyde05]

this is the only one i have on computer but i can get some more for you and show more detail its prety much the same idea as putting in droped lower arms

[72MARIO]

Early Classic Ent. Sells 3/4 ton drop spindles.

[1971-tetanus-shot]

they convert it to 6 lug though (at least thats what the saleman said to me) I am trying to retain 8 lug, there is one place that sells them but they said if i run a wider then stock wheel the spindle may break, thats not the kind of quality i'm looking for. I am going to bag it first and see where she sits. I may just modify the control arm also . I got all winter to decide

[pharcyde05]

there is only a 3/8 plate welded on bottom of a arm so at the most only 3/8 inch of ground clearance is lost but being in same line as wheel there is prety much no way possable for the lower arm to hit ground especial with z in frame cause that raises cross member and lower arms for clearance and makes fram rails the next lowest part of truck besides driveline hoop in center crossmember hear is a pic laied out and you can see nothing sticks below a arm where plated

[XXL]

Originally Posted by pharcyde05

there is only a 3/8 plate welded on bottom of a arm so at the most only 3/8 inch of ground clearance is lost but being in same line as wheel there is prety much no way possable for the lower arm to hit ground

I wasn't trying to claim that you were suddenly dragging your control arms on the ground, but rather, the generalized concept that one can't simply lower the LCA in perpetuity as it will eventually hit the ground... thus negating the effort.

Note also that the LCA is not "in same line as wheel" as you indicate above. The picture you posted indicates otherwise.

[tom coop]

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Fits 73-91 C20,C 30, C35 P/U. Most applications cast at BELL FOUNDRY Los Angeles. USE DROP SPINDLES ON STANDARD O.E. OFFSET WHEELS ONLY. Spindles are new. Will give you a 3" in. drop in front. 2wd only. 8 Hole lug pattern.


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Spindles may interfere with stock wheel and tire combo. If so larger wheel and tire combo will be needed or modifications to suspension may be needed.


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[tom coop]

sorry for such long post .im technologically stupid but theyr supposed to fit your 8 lug rotors

[1971-tetanus-shot]

its states standard offset only, they are most likely the same as the ones I found. If a spindle can't take a positive or negative offset and its suppose to be a 3/4 ton spindle, the manufacter is making an inferior product in my opinion I rather not lay frame then put on a possible future failure