The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1973 - 1987 Chevrolet & GMC Squarebody Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-24-2009, 09:20 PM   #1
dga93
newbie
 
dga93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wise Virginia
Posts: 122
whats the difference?

what is the difference between...?
700r4
t350
t400
dga93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2009, 09:24 PM   #2
78 Chevyrado
Account Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Unnapreciative, Trollville
Posts: 2,079
Re: whats the difference?

th350 is the light duty 3 speed automatic
th400 is the heavy duty 3 speed automatic
th700r4 is the light duty 4 speed Overdrive automatic
78 Chevyrado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2009, 09:41 PM   #3
badblu97
Double 6's
 
badblu97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Winter Haven, FL
Posts: 349
Re: whats the difference?

but doesnt the turbo 400 have overdrive?
__________________
Street Glidin!

1966 LWB Custom Cab (sold)
1982 Short Fleet (under the knife)
1998 S10 2wd Fleet
2007 Chevy Silverado Crew
2007 Harley Davidson Street Glide
badblu97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2009, 09:57 PM   #4
rockn30809
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 93
Re: whats the difference?

Quote:
Originally Posted by badblu97 View Post
but doesnt the turbo 400 have overdrive?

Turbo 400 is 3spd, no overdrive.
rockn30809 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2009, 12:29 AM   #5
SBTork
Garage wrench
 
SBTork's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Posts: 1,855
Re: whats the difference?

Quote:
Originally Posted by badblu97 View Post
but doesnt the turbo 400 have overdrive?
in the later years gm made a 4L80, basically a TH400 with overdrive.
__________________
-Adam


90 V1500 GMC Suburban 350/700R4/NP241.....
01 Saturn SL1 stock DD.....
SBTork is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2009, 02:32 AM   #6
heavychevy79
Cheyenne Super
 
heavychevy79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 545
Re: whats the difference?

At the risk of starting a transmission debate, I will say you should avoid the "heavy duty" TH400, and run away
(like a little girl from a frog weilding boy) from the overdrive 700-R4 because in original condition (not rebuilt w/heavy duty parts) they are both flawed and not very dependable. That's my past exp with them anyway.
heavychevy79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2009, 10:57 AM   #7
dga93
newbie
 
dga93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wise Virginia
Posts: 122
Re: whats the difference?

Is the 700R4 better if rebuilt? and about how much you think is it to rebuild?
And is it better on gas because it has more gears?
dga93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 03:42 AM   #8
Manbearpig
Registered User
 
Manbearpig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Midland, Tx
Posts: 418
Re: whats the difference?

TH350 ratio's:
1st: 2.52 |2nd: 1.52 |3rd: 1.00 |R: 1.93

TH400 ratio's:
1st: 2.48 |2nd: 1.48 |3rd: 1.00 |R: 2.00

700r4 ratio's:
1st: 3.06 |2nd: 1.62 |3rd: 1.00 |4th: 0.70 |R: 2.29
__________________
1972 GMC C10
Manbearpig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 04:18 AM   #9
Manbearpig
Registered User
 
Manbearpig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Midland, Tx
Posts: 418
Re: whats the difference?

I would change it to a smaller one but I can't edit it.
__________________
1972 GMC C10
Manbearpig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 04:24 AM   #10
heavychevy79
Cheyenne Super
 
heavychevy79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 545
Re: whats the difference?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manbearpig View Post
I would change it to a smaller one but I can't edit it.
That thing is gonna give someone a seizure and n2trux is gonna be pissed.
heavychevy79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 10:44 AM   #11
LONGHAIR
just can't cover up my redneck
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Columbus OH
Posts: 11,414
Re: whats the difference?

Resized that huge thing into something much more "friendly". THat is 10% of the original size.....LOL
__________________
You can review the site's rules here.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Longhorn Man View Post
As for reading directions...
The directions are nothing but another man's opinion.
Learn from the mistakes of others, you won't live long enough to make them all yourself...

Bad planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an instant emergency on my part....

The great thing about being a pessimist is that you are either pleasantly surprised or right.

Last edited by LONGHAIR; 04-26-2009 at 10:44 AM.
LONGHAIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 11:06 AM   #12
78 Chevyrado
Account Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Unnapreciative, Trollville
Posts: 2,079
Re: whats the difference?

Basically as far as reliability goes IMO none of the automatics are strong enough for me. I've broken them all in stock form..... with stock power engines.... I will say though for me the th400 lasted way longer than the others before needing work. They all do better after a quality rebuild and whatever updates/improvements have come out since it was last rebuilt. Think Upgrades....
78 Chevyrado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 12:29 PM   #13
Captkaos
www.73-87chevytrucks.com
 
Captkaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 6,935
Re: whats the difference?

When the 700R4's first came out in these truck 27 years ago 1982, they did have issues. In 6 years (1987/88) all those that had issues were upgraded. If you have a 1982-1986 truck with an original 700R4 transmission that is still alive you aren't going to have any problems with it as it has probably been replaced already.

You can build one to handle a LOT of power, but if you start with a 1988 trans it already has all the good upgrades in them. Keep in mind most of the hard parts from a current 4L60E will go in a 700R4 (4L60) as they are the same transmission just one has a electronic valve body.
__________________
Chris Lucas
1973 Chevy C-10
1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD
1987 R10 twin turbo LS
1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab
1985 K5 diesel swapped project
1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project
Captkaos Customs
73-87chevytrucks.com
Captkaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2009, 12:45 PM   #14
heavychevy79
Cheyenne Super
 
heavychevy79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 545
Re: whats the difference?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captkaos View Post
When the 700R4's first came out in these truck 27 years ago 1982, they did have issues. In 6 years (1987/88) all those that had issues were upgraded. If you have a 1982-1986 truck with an original 700R4 transmission that is still alive you aren't going to have any problems with it as it has probably been replaced already.

You can build one to handle a LOT of power, but if you start with a 1988 trans it already has all the good upgrades in them. Keep in mind most of the hard parts from a current 4L60E will go in a 700R4 (4L60) as they are the same transmission just one has a electronic valve body.

Yeah they are great if they are pro built with stronger parts, I was thinkin he
was looking to buy a stock truck, but I guess he should give us more details about what he's looking at and what he has to spend.
heavychevy79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2009, 10:45 PM   #15
dga93
newbie
 
dga93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wise Virginia
Posts: 122
Re: whats the difference?

Do the 3 have all different bolt patterns?
and does it matter on the year of the motor in the truck?
dga93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2009, 11:35 PM   #16
88 Dippy
Registered User
 
88 Dippy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: mt. Pleasant, MI
Posts: 246
Re: whats the difference?

my truck has a 700r4 out of a 84 (same with the 208 t-case) both seem to work fine i love the over drive with the 4.10's i can only imagine the milage suck it would have with a 3 speed auto or any tranny with a 1:1 only


i have noticed that you can not feel it shift when just cruising this kind of bugs me a bit because i can not tell if it is slipping or what? i plan on getting the vette servo and a shift kit (the fluid is nice and pink though)
__________________
1974 chevy Cheyenne C10 "The Mutt":4x4 convertion, NP208, 700-R4, stock 350, edelbrock Torker intake, edelbrock 600 CFM carb, duels

2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GT: 3.8L supercharged, 9.2:1 comprestion, ZZP XP cam, home made intake, 2 1/2" exhuast, 10psi of boost
88 Dippy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 12:22 AM   #17
dga93
newbie
 
dga93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wise Virginia
Posts: 122
Re: whats the difference?

O.k. So i have a 1978 c10 with a 350 and a dead slipping th350..
I don't have much to spend but i can save my money.
I drive up a lot of mountains and highway driving is most of it.
I want to know what would be my best way to go?
And if the bolt pattern is the same thru all transmissions?
I know so far if i get a 700r4 i would have to shorten the drive shaft but that's all i know.
HELP!
dga93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 12:28 AM   #18
88 Dippy
Registered User
 
88 Dippy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: mt. Pleasant, MI
Posts: 246
Re: whats the difference?

the bolt pattern is the same on all the of them if you get one that was in a vehicle with a chevy V8.

i have no idea what would be the best for mountain driving because i live in a preaty flat state sorry
__________________
1974 chevy Cheyenne C10 "The Mutt":4x4 convertion, NP208, 700-R4, stock 350, edelbrock Torker intake, edelbrock 600 CFM carb, duels

2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GT: 3.8L supercharged, 9.2:1 comprestion, ZZP XP cam, home made intake, 2 1/2" exhuast, 10psi of boost
88 Dippy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2009, 03:05 AM   #19
79gmcc15
Gettin It One Pice At A Time
 
79gmcc15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: everett, washington
Posts: 2,688
Re: whats the difference?

ok, If I was in your situation. I would call around and find out how much it would cost to re-build Your TH350 with HD parts. then find out how much it would cost to do the same with a TH400. as I see it, TH350s are Great with a stock SBC up to a 350 motor. with light to occasional medium hauling in stock format. if I was to get a motor that was not stock or was going to do towing or lots of hauling up the mountains, I would go with a TH400. But I would start out with the numbers first and see what my pocket book can handle and time frame *if you need your truck running next week, kind of thing*. and go from there. I think either trans would be fine for you. I've heard that the 700's cost A lot more to rebuild right. and the amount of money you would save on gas. it would take a while to recoup the difference of a 350/400 rebuild and a 700. JM2C
__________________
RIP ELJAY

Work In Progress 1979 GMC C1500 Trailering Special.
Getting the truck done, one piece at a time.

“You can tell a lot about a fellow’s character by his way of eating jellybeans.”Ronald Reagan

“I don’t know the key to success but I know the key to failure is trying to please everybody.” Bill Cosby
79gmcc15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2009, 04:31 PM   #20
dga93
newbie
 
dga93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wise Virginia
Posts: 122
Re: whats the difference?

So I found a th350 for $70. I hope it works. Find out tonight.
I have been without my truck for over 2 months.
Anything I should do b4 I put it in? Or add while I'm putting it in?
dga93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2009, 01:02 AM   #21
79gmcc15
Gettin It One Pice At A Time
 
79gmcc15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: everett, washington
Posts: 2,688
Re: whats the difference?

well if you can't have it checked before you put it in. at least have all the fluids changed and filter. its pretty easy to do. I am sure someone can add to that.
__________________
RIP ELJAY

Work In Progress 1979 GMC C1500 Trailering Special.
Getting the truck done, one piece at a time.

“You can tell a lot about a fellow’s character by his way of eating jellybeans.”Ronald Reagan

“I don’t know the key to success but I know the key to failure is trying to please everybody.” Bill Cosby
79gmcc15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2009, 06:53 AM   #22
Tx Firefighter
Watch out for your cornhole !
 
Tx Firefighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Azle, Texas
Posts: 14,162
Re: whats the difference?

Be sure and measure the lengths of your old TH350 and the new one to make sure they are the same length. There are 3 different length 350 trans.
__________________
I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin
Tx Firefighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com