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06-26-2020, 11:35 PM
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T-5 swap time
Last week my three speed decided it was time to retire. Instead of tying to rebuild it I am going to install a T-5. I have all the components except for a bell housing reducer ring ( on order ) Stay tuned!
RIP 3 Speed
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06-27-2020, 10:48 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
I think you will like the T5.
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06-28-2020, 12:38 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Well I ran into my first snag.
The PO installed an aluminum "full" bell housing. I have removed all the bolts but am unable to get it off due to it not clearing the transmission crossmember. ANY ideas ? I am almost tempted cut the crossmember off and run a rear trans support on the t5
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06-28-2020, 02:18 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Unbolt the engine and move it forward. I couldn't get my bell housing off ether when I was doing my clutch. I was able to unbolt the pressure plate and change it out without removing the bell housing. I was just throwing a temp clutch in until I pulled it and am now rebuilding everything
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06-28-2020, 02:19 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Or you can just grind down the rivets and remove the cross member and bolt it back in if you need it.
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06-28-2020, 03:16 PM
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Thanks I'm not seeing any rivets..its a 60 so the frame and it looks to be welded on. I don't have a lift to move the motor
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06-28-2020, 03:25 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
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06-28-2020, 09:40 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Just cut that bellhousing crossmember out of there. You aren't using it so as you have found out, it is in the way. You must already have a transmission crossmember then, so you won't have to build a new one.
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06-29-2020, 10:43 AM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Thanks . The po had some L brackets to support the bellhousing to the
bell mount crossmember. I picked up an original automatic crossmember a while back and will use that instead. ....
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06-29-2020, 07:50 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Though a little painful this go round considering you mentioned you don't have a hoist, but why not remove the bellhousing and replace it with a stock GM truck bell with the open bottom so you don't have to a) go thru this again every time you replace the clutch and/or b) hack up the original mounts? They work fine without an original bell housing and no rear trans support is required. Old bellhousings are a dime a dozen - but you would need to ensure you grab one with the correct index ring diameter (or also buy an index ring adapter, additional cost - but since you'd be shopping, you can choose wisely 1st time out). Just a thought.
Glad you are getting around to this upgrade, you'll be very happy with it - it's been a while since I posted this thread, but sharing in case you might learn from some of my mistakes! |
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06-29-2020, 11:39 PM
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the trans has a 2.95 first with a .63 od and I am Running 3.73 out back so it should be a nice combo. Captain fab Thanks for the insite Jocko I have your T5 post saved great write up So I have to sit and think about my choices..... I can: A) Cut the Aluminum bell housing off and use the super rare( lol) 1960-62 V-8 1/2 bellhousing with the the slave cylinder on the passenger side , source a new starter fab up a new clutch hose and hope that bell mounts line up. B) Cut the whole crossmember off and keep the full aluminum bell that is on there now This would allow me to keep what I have .starter and hydraulic clutch set up on the driverside. I have two automatic crossmembers an original 60-62 and a custom made one. they both are about 4 inches short of where the T-5 tail mount is, and I would have to address the offset Camaro trans mount. C) Trim the crossmember ( sort of like pancaking a front crossmember) and follow the same steps as above
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06-30-2020, 10:17 AM
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If you put a jack under the oil pan of your engine (using a block of wood to protect the pan, of course) and leaving the engine bolted to the motor mounts, can you raise the rear of the engine enough (essentially tipping the engine forward) to give enough clearance to get that bellhousing out of there?
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06-30-2020, 11:13 AM
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I was able to talk to the previous owner ( my old boss) and he said when he put the 250 he did it with the tranny installed.. sort of explains why it wont clear. The good thing is that I am in no big rush...
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06-30-2020, 10:07 PM
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Re: T-5 swap time
So the trans crossmember that was under the rear of the 3 speed won't work? Can it be modified to work?
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07-01-2020, 11:14 AM
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Re: T-5 swap time
Here is a recent discussion on the mounts in question
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07-01-2020, 01:02 PM
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07-05-2020, 04:55 PM
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Whats up Sal !!!!!
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01-25-2021, 05:24 AM
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Sorry for your loss Sal.
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01-25-2021, 10:23 AM
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Sorry for your loss, Sal.
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01-25-2021, 11:58 AM
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Sal, so sorry for the loss of your wife! Prayers out to you and your family. Hang in there!
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01-25-2021, 05:10 PM
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My prayers and thoughts are with you and Family Sal. it's got to be tough but hang in there Sal
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01-25-2021, 08:58 PM
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Thank you ALL for the encouraging words !! Gotta press forward. To cold ( by California standards ) to work on it but the motivation is back !!!
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01-30-2021, 09:41 PM
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Nice weather today so i was able to get the transmission in!
Since I installed the clutch 6 months ago it seems that the disc is stuck to the fly wheel ..  . I took the measurements for the drive shaft and it looks like it needs to be shortened about 1.5 inches, Will get that done next week. Thanks to all of you for your Motivation !
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