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poncho_villa · 02-28-2005, 07:41 PM

Hello Everybody,
I have an interesting truck that I bought about 2 months ago. It is a 58 Apache Fleetside shortbox and the interesting part is that it sits on a chassis from 67 to maybe about 72. Perhaps some of you fellow gearheads can help in identifying the year better for me from this pic. This is a sweet truck. It has a beefed up 283 with a 400TH behide it. I am looking to put on front discs and would like to know what the difference is among those years, if any. This is a great forum and it is perfect for me as I find I am switching from the 55-59 message board to the 67-72 message board to gather all the great info. Thanks, Rick.

longhorn71 · 03-01-2005, 01:42 AM

with out disc brakes it is a 63 to 70 frame.You can swap todisc brakes and use 71-87 stuff for parts.there is a few changes that need to be done like spindles,balljointa and tie rod ends.every ting for the conversion should be listed in FAQ.sweet lookin truck by the way.where are you from in western canada?I have the parts here for the swap if you need

poncho_villa · 03-01-2005, 02:44 AM

Hello Dean, Thanks for the reply. I live in Kamloops, B.C. Now that spring is in the air, I am just starting to sort out the pros and cons of this truck. A previous owner has done some great stuff, but some other PO has done some stuff I've had to undo. Nothin too nasty tho. If I decide to go to discs, I would want to keep the 6 lug wheels. Rick

longhorn71 · 03-01-2005, 02:54 AM

there are no factory 6 lug discs.that is the bad part.the good part about the swap is 73-87 front crossmembers and all the 73-87 front suspsion is bolt in.the 71-72 rear ends are bolt in and are also 5 lug.you could use the 73-87 rear ends if you weld the mounts from the older rear end and make a panard bar mount.I have the whole front crossmember from a 84 chevy if you need.i also have a 72 rear end housing too.Or for the rear pull your axles out and have them redrilled to the 5 lug pattern.I thought i seen that truck here in drayton

poncho_villa · 03-01-2005, 04:12 PM

Hey Dean, Thanks for the info. It seems that there is much to digest, but my guess is that it would be easiest and cheapest to go with the discs in the front and leave the back drums alone. The obvious downside would be that I would end up with 5 lug wheels in the front and 6 lugs in the back. Gotta carry two spares. This looks like it'll get pricey. I was hoping for just new master cylinder w/ vacuum canister and new rotors and calipers for the front. It got complicated real fast. Hmmmm....drum brakes aren't so bad. I'll do some head scratchin and give this some thought. Thanks for the eye-opener.

Joe67 · 03-01-2005, 06:11 PM

Very nice truck you picked up

smbrouss70 · 03-01-2005, 06:28 PM

ECE and some of the other vendors can sell you a set of 6-lug disc brake rotors, give them a call...

poncho_villa · 03-02-2005, 01:13 AM

Hey Guys, thanks for the info. But at the risk of sounding like a dumbass....whats ECE? When I google it, I get a lot of crappy stuff that don't interest me. But on a separate search I did find a vendor that sells 6 lug discs and not the 5 lug ones drilled and modified, so I am in the right lane to take me where I wanna go.

el curioso · 03-02-2005, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poncho_villa

whats ECE?

Early Classic Enterprises = ECE. Link to their web page ===> Early Classic Enterprises

02-28-2005, 07:41 PM	#1
poncho_villa Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: B.C. Posts: 457	Chassis ID Hello Everybody, I have an interesting truck that I bought about 2 months ago. It is a 58 Apache Fleetside shortbox and the interesting part is that it sits on a chassis from 67 to maybe about 72. Perhaps some of you fellow gearheads can help in identifying the year better for me from this pic. This is a sweet truck. It has a beefed up 283 with a 400TH behide it. I am looking to put on front discs and would like to know what the difference is among those years, if any. This is a great forum and it is perfect for me as I find I am switching from the 55-59 message board to the 67-72 message board to gather all the great info. Thanks, Rick. Attached Images __________________ 58 Apache short fleetside ona 64 chassis:

03-01-2005, 02:44 AM	#3
poncho_villa Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: B.C. Posts: 457	Hello Dean, Thanks for the reply. I live in Kamloops, B.C. Now that spring is in the air, I am just starting to sort out the pros and cons of this truck. A previous owner has done some great stuff, but some other PO has done some stuff I've had to undo. Nothin too nasty tho. If I decide to go to discs, I would want to keep the 6 lug wheels. Rick __________________ 58 Apache short fleetside ona 64 chassis:

03-01-2005, 04:12 PM	#5
poncho_villa Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: B.C. Posts: 457	Hey Dean, Thanks for the info. It seems that there is much to digest, but my guess is that it would be easiest and cheapest to go with the discs in the front and leave the back drums alone. The obvious downside would be that I would end up with 5 lug wheels in the front and 6 lugs in the back. Gotta carry two spares. This looks like it'll get pricey. I was hoping for just new master cylinder w/ vacuum canister and new rotors and calipers for the front. It got complicated real fast. Hmmmm....drum brakes aren't so bad. I'll do some head scratchin and give this some thought. Thanks for the eye-opener. __________________ 58 Apache short fleetside ona 64 chassis:

03-01-2005, 06:11 PM	#6
Joe67 67 is sold Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Troy, Michigan Posts: 6,733	Very nice truck you picked up __________________ Joe - Formerly 67c10step ------------------------------- 1967 Chevy Stepside - ECE 4/6, fuelcell, 5lug - SOLD gr8lakes - My ebay auctions Click here to order forum apparel :: Click here to become a subscribing member

03-01-2005, 06:28 PM	#7
smbrouss70 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rayne, LA Posts: 2,781	ECE and some of the other vendors can sell you a set of 6-lug disc brake rotors, give them a call... __________________ Steven "If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go wherever they went." -- Will Rogers R.I.P. Oscar R.I.P. Ratchet 1967 Pontiac GTO - Dad was the Original Owner 1970 Chevy 2wd SWB "Oscar's Truck" 1970 Chevy 2wd Blazer "Ratchet's Blazer" 2013 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab Duramax/Allison Z71 LTZ "Brown Sugar" 2017 Chevy Suburban "BDB" 2020 Chevy Blazer Premier "Foxy" Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Shop Build

03-01-2005, 01:42 AM	#2
longhorn71 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: CANADA Posts: 1,681	with out disc brakes it is a 63 to 70 frame.You can swap todisc brakes and use 71-87 stuff for parts.there is a few changes that need to be done like spindles,balljointa and tie rod ends.every ting for the conversion should be listed in FAQ.sweet lookin truck by the way.where are you from in western canada?I have the parts here for the swap if you need

03-01-2005, 02:54 AM	#4
longhorn71 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: CANADA Posts: 1,681	there are no factory 6 lug discs.that is the bad part.the good part about the swap is 73-87 front crossmembers and all the 73-87 front suspsion is bolt in.the 71-72 rear ends are bolt in and are also 5 lug.you could use the 73-87 rear ends if you weld the mounts from the older rear end and make a panard bar mount.I have the whole front crossmember from a 84 chevy if you need.i also have a 72 rear end housing too.Or for the rear pull your axles out and have them redrilled to the 5 lug pattern.I thought i seen that truck here in drayton

03-02-2005, 01:13 AM	#8
poncho_villa Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: B.C. Posts: 457	Hey Guys, thanks for the info. But at the risk of sounding like a dumbass....whats ECE? When I google it, I get a lot of crappy stuff that don't interest me. But on a separate search I did find a vendor that sells 6 lug discs and not the 5 lug ones drilled and modified, so I am in the right lane to take me where I wanna go. __________________ 58 Apache short fleetside ona 64 chassis: Last edited by poncho_villa; 06-25-2006 at 02:06 PM.



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