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67'ShortMonster · 11-20-2005, 11:35 PM

Hey...
I am building up the chassis for my 67 SWB and have been pondering over how to go about the suspension.
Gonna power it with a 454 and th400, rear end is a 9 inch... I was gonna go with bags all four corners, do the crossmember notch... swap over to 88-91 spindles ect on the front. ect ect.... just like everyone else.
The machinist that helps me with all the odd ball stuff, suggested that if i need to buy the bags, spindles... upgrade to new crossmembers, shorten my frame, and that i am building a tri-anglulated 4 link for the rear, he suggested i go mustang II front end and go coil overs at all four corners. I plan to have the truck sit fairly low... probably like a 5/7 drop... 20" wheels. so i have to notch the rear. I dug into the idea of a mustang II and the coil over's idea, and found that once i bought all the parts, realistically, i would be into it for the same price. So i decided to try and make it work.
Anyone have any knowedge they can pass on about the idea before i figure out everything the hard way... ?

EyeH8the24 · 11-26-2005, 05:04 PM

i am doin the mustang 2 cross member as well...i have a hiedts cross member ....would be thankful for any advice from people who have done this on a 67 - 72.....

EyeH8the24 · 11-30-2005, 07:59 AM

ttt

67'ShortMonster · 11-30-2005, 11:50 AM

I was looking at that crossmember, and the one from fatman fabrications. Ended up that there is a guy here in town that has all the mustang two crossmember patterns. It sure would be nice to get some dimensions to compare to off of your crossmember. Our basic plan is to strip all the suspension off the truck. The roughly put all the mustang II stuff together along with the wheels then set it all on the floor and set all the positions for everything... ride height ect. Going for a 5/7 drop with 20's in the end. I am not quite sure on the coil overs i will be using yet... looking into Qa1's... Waiting until we can set everything up first so i can get the right length of c/o without guessing. So, if you know how the crossmember fits, and the length of the needed coil over's that would be great. Doesn't look like many other people here are doing it this way....
It's good to know at least one person is around in the same boat as me and willing to yack about it a bit.

dwcsr · 11-30-2005, 06:44 PM

Fatman just came out with a bolt on kit for your truck. Looks pretty good.
Heres a link to a tech article
http://www.webrodder.com/article.php...8802e365d549d8

crazy longhorn · 11-30-2005, 09:23 PM

Here you go, this 1 looks beeefy..... http://www.jimmeyerracing.com/pu6.html nothing wrong with the "poop stang II" , but the pcs look to be a little heavier on this one....

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EyeH8the24 · 11-30-2005, 10:50 PM

i have the universal heidts cross member ...the deluxe one...it will take some trimming on the frame and cross member ..but so far looks like a sweet swap....no need for dropped spindles...aired out the bumper should be 1/2 inch off the ground...if we measured right...we are still measuring and fitting things...will be glad to send you measure ments from my cross member

Film Guy · 12-01-2005, 12:11 AM

Hi Guys, I'm in on this thread. This is exactly what I am doing right now. I currently have a 72 lwb. Changing to a swb. I have another frame that I have been welding on. Its from a swb. Problem is the suspension geomitry when you go very low with these trucks. I have the Art cool ride suspension on the lwb now. I used the e.c.e. rear track bar and shock relocators. Even bought new wheels w/ more back spacing so I can go low. Turns out the front end geometry goes out of wack. Bad neg camber. I got my new chassis (swb) set @ ride height now. Middle of frame (under cab) is 6 inches from the ground. I am running Toyo Proxies St 315/35/20 out back. They are approx 29" tall. So the center of my rear axel should be approx 14.5 inches from the ground. This means I need a step notch in the rear frame. I ordered a step notch from suisidedoors.com. I received the notch but have not installed yet. Front tires are 255/40/20. Front spindle center should be aprox 14 inches from the ground. With this kind of ride height I need a custom mustang II front suspension. I am looking @ fatman for a front suspension. Any sugestions. I can post pics.

EyeH8the24 · 12-01-2005, 06:56 AM

the fat man bolt on looks nice..only reason i went with heidts is cause i got one cheap ..175 for cross member and top hats....if i was gonna buy one at full price it would be a meyers or fat man

67'ShortMonster · 12-01-2005, 03:24 PM

Both of those bolt on Mustang II crossmembers look good... and easier buying one than building something like what I am trying to do.... I just wonder what kind of drop they give ? Too bad i ordered most of my stuff already, it might have been easier to just order the kit.... if i had $3000... which i don't have for that. I hope to be into it for a lot less by the time i am done building everything.

**N2TRUX** · 12-01-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 67'ShortMonster

..look good... and easier buying one than building something like what I am trying to do.......

Good luck trying toi build one out of pieces and getting it right. Your going to be much better off buying one that has been engineered for your truck. Even the guys that build them for a living order kits that are already put together.

Here's the Scotts hot rod IFS under my 82 Blazer....

1976K5CHALET · 12-01-2005, 09:15 PM

N2trux...i see you are using the kit for your front end but what intriuges me is the whole frame appears to be cut off and a custom front clip if you will has been installed which leads me to question number 2...is that an newer LT1 lurking under there? Early this year one of the 4wd rags did a article on how to fit one in your 81 up k5....looks like this is the better way to go...

Doug W.

EyeH8the24 · 12-01-2005, 09:57 PM

im curious about your front clip as well as what arms you used ? the ylook longer than the arms i am looking at....was thinkin of the shorter arms so i could turn a lil more when aired down ....but not aired out ...

SCOTI · 12-02-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1976K5CHALET

N2trux...i see you are using the kit for your front end but what intriuges me is the whole frame appears to be cut off and a custom front clip if you will has been installed which leads me to question number 2...is that an newer LT1 lurking under there? Early this year one of the 4wd rags did a article on how to fit one in your 81 up k5....looks like this is the better way to go...

Doug W.

Yes, N2TRUX's front frame rails are custom pieces that were fabbed specifically to place the 'Scott's' front end exactly where it needed to be. And FirstGen is right.... it's an LS1.

The guys that are building Kens Blazer would use a 'kit' if there was one available but the parameters set for his build-up necessitated using that front end. If they had it to do over again, I don't think they would use Scotts stuff.

FirstGen · 12-01-2005, 10:59 PM

looks like an LS1 not LT1...

67'ShortMonster · 12-02-2005, 11:59 AM

I know a guy that has all the patterns for the mustang II crossmember... He is gonna remake it to fit my application.

EyeH8the24 · 12-02-2005, 07:08 PM

about what does he charge for makin ya one ? i am gonna need another one really soon....

67'ShortMonster · 12-02-2005, 07:56 PM

They said it should be right around $200, I'll see if they hold to that though. Hope to have it on by christmas, once it's done i hope to have cad drawings of the crossmember to fit the 67-72 era. I'll see if he is willing to build them to sell them.

Film Guy · 12-03-2005, 11:27 AM

Ok, so I talked to the guy up @ jim meyer racing about their front crossmember. What a jerk. I felt like after the conversation I would not buy a thing from them. Maybe he was having a bad day. I will try fat man on monday. What other options do I have for this project. I don't mind a weld in kit.

SCOTI · 12-03-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Film Guy

.... What other options do I have for this project. I don't mind a weld in kit.

Art Morrison has 'front-clip' kits as well as 'crossmember' kits. One kit has rails, the other doesn't. I believe they can bend whatever kick-up you want for the rails too but I'm not sure what the limitations are.

turmoline · 12-04-2005, 01:24 PM

I hope the pic worked. I have the fatman bolt in mustang II.stage 2 kit. Real easy to work with. the pic is with standard spindles. The truck handles real well with the spring set up. I tried running 2" drop spindles to get the truck to ride a little lower but the tires would rub pretty bad while cornering. Iam currently going to experiment with air bags to see how the performance changes. the tracking width narrows from stock with this setup.

turmoline · 12-04-2005, 01:38 PM

here's another pic

SCOTI · 12-04-2005, 07:01 PM

What are your front wheel/tire specs? That might help some people w/a reference on ride height.

Looks good BTW.....

cst70rocket · 01-10-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by turmoline

I hope the pic worked. I have the fatman bolt in mustang II.stage 2 kit. Real easy to work with. the pic is with standard spindles. The truck handles real well with the spring set up. I tried running 2" drop spindles to get the truck to ride a little lower but the tires would rub pretty bad while cornering. Iam currently going to experiment with air bags to see how the performance changes. the tracking width narrows from stock with this setup.

Man I love the way that sits, but damn those are some tiny brake rotors!!! Does it stop good? I mean panic stop??

67'ShortMonster · 01-10-2006, 11:05 PM

I used the m2 bearings & races... had to machine the rotor a bit for it all to work right. The bore is correct, just need to sholder it a bit to get the rotor to sit on the spindle a little farther... I think that's what I did... can't remember 100% though.

11-20-2005, 11:35 PM	#1
67'ShortMonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salmon Arm, B.C. Canda Posts: 73	67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. Hey... I am building up the chassis for my 67 SWB and have been pondering over how to go about the suspension. Gonna power it with a 454 and th400, rear end is a 9 inch... I was gonna go with bags all four corners, do the crossmember notch... swap over to 88-91 spindles ect on the front. ect ect.... just like everyone else. The machinist that helps me with all the odd ball stuff, suggested that if i need to buy the bags, spindles... upgrade to new crossmembers, shorten my frame, and that i am building a tri-anglulated 4 link for the rear, he suggested i go mustang II front end and go coil overs at all four corners. I plan to have the truck sit fairly low... probably like a 5/7 drop... 20" wheels. so i have to notch the rear. I dug into the idea of a mustang II and the coil over's idea, and found that once i bought all the parts, realistically, i would be into it for the same price. So i decided to try and make it work. Anyone have any knowedge they can pass on about the idea before i figure out everything the hard way... ?

11-26-2005, 05:04 PM	#2
EyeH8the24 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: beulah,alabama Posts: 1,075	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. *i am doin the mustang 2 cross member as well...i have a hiedts cross member ....would be thankful for any advice from people who have done this on a 67 - 72.....*

11-30-2005, 07:59 AM	#3
EyeH8the24 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: beulah,alabama Posts: 1,075	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. *ttt*

11-30-2005, 11:50 AM	#4
67'ShortMonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salmon Arm, B.C. Canda Posts: 73	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. I was looking at that crossmember, and the one from fatman fabrications. Ended up that there is a guy here in town that has all the mustang two crossmember patterns. It sure would be nice to get some dimensions to compare to off of your crossmember. Our basic plan is to strip all the suspension off the truck. The roughly put all the mustang II stuff together along with the wheels then set it all on the floor and set all the positions for everything... ride height ect. Going for a 5/7 drop with 20's in the end. I am not quite sure on the coil overs i will be using yet... looking into Qa1's... Waiting until we can set everything up first so i can get the right length of c/o without guessing. So, if you know how the crossmember fits, and the length of the needed coil over's that would be great. Doesn't look like many other people here are doing it this way.... It's good to know at least one person is around in the same boat as me and willing to yack about it a bit.

11-30-2005, 06:44 PM	#5
dwcsr Hollister Road Co. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 6,131	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. Fatman just came out with a bolt on kit for your truck. Looks pretty good. Heres a link to a tech article http://www.webrodder.com/article.php...8802e365d549d8

11-30-2005, 09:23 PM	#6
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. Here you go, this 1 looks beeefy..... http://www.jimmeyerracing.com/pu6.html nothing wrong with the "poop stang II" , but the pcs look to be a little heavier on this one.... L __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

11-30-2005, 10:50 PM	#7
EyeH8the24 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: beulah,alabama Posts: 1,075	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. i have the universal heidts cross member ...the deluxe one...it will take some trimming on the frame and cross member ..but so far looks like a sweet swap....no need for dropped spindles...aired out the bumper should be 1/2 inch off the ground...if we measured right...we are still measuring and fitting things...will be glad to send you measure ments from my cross member

12-01-2005, 12:11 AM	#8
Film Guy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 105	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. Hi Guys, I'm in on this thread. This is exactly what I am doing right now. I currently have a 72 lwb. Changing to a swb. I have another frame that I have been welding on. Its from a swb. Problem is the suspension geomitry when you go very low with these trucks. I have the Art cool ride suspension on the lwb now. I used the e.c.e. rear track bar and shock relocators. Even bought new wheels w/ more back spacing so I can go low. Turns out the front end geometry goes out of wack. Bad neg camber. I got my new chassis (swb) set @ ride height now. Middle of frame (under cab) is 6 inches from the ground. I am running Toyo Proxies St 315/35/20 out back. They are approx 29" tall. So the center of my rear axel should be approx 14.5 inches from the ground. This means I need a step notch in the rear frame. I ordered a step notch from suisidedoors.com. I received the notch but have not installed yet. Front tires are 255/40/20. Front spindle center should be aprox 14 inches from the ground. With this kind of ride height I need a custom mustang II front suspension. I am looking @ fatman for a front suspension. Any sugestions. I can post pics.

12-01-2005, 06:56 AM	#9
EyeH8the24 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: beulah,alabama Posts: 1,075	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. *the fat man bolt on looks nice..only reason i went with heidts is cause i got one cheap ..175 for cross member and top hats....if i was gonna buy one at full price it would be a meyers or fat man*

12-01-2005, 03:24 PM	#10
67'ShortMonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salmon Arm, B.C. Canda Posts: 73	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. Both of those bolt on Mustang II crossmembers look good... and easier buying one than building something like what I am trying to do.... I just wonder what kind of drop they give ? Too bad i ordered most of my stuff already, it might have been easier to just order the kit.... if i had $3000... which i don't have for that. I hope to be into it for a lot less by the time i am done building everything.

12-01-2005, 09:15 PM	#12
1976K5CHALET Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Grand Junction, Colorado Posts: 610	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. N2trux...i see you are using the kit for your front end but what intriuges me is the whole frame appears to be cut off and a custom front clip if you will has been installed which leads me to question number 2...is that an newer LT1 lurking under there? Early this year one of the 4wd rags did a article on how to fit one in your 81 up k5....looks like this is the better way to go... Doug W. __________________ Doug Wright aka K5NUTT over @coloradok5.com Owner of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChevyK5BlazerChalets Certified K5 Nut

12-01-2005, 09:57 PM	#13
EyeH8the24 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: beulah,alabama Posts: 1,075	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. im curious about your front clip as well as what arms you used ? the ylook longer than the arms i am looking at....was thinkin of the shorter arms so i could turn a lil more when aired down ....but not aired out ...

12-01-2005, 10:59 PM	#15
FirstGen Just Don't Stop! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,239	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. looks like an LS1 not LT1... __________________ 1968 C10 build in process TT LSA/6L90e/9"

12-02-2005, 11:59 AM	#16
67'ShortMonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salmon Arm, B.C. Canda Posts: 73	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. I know a guy that has all the patterns for the mustang II crossmember... He is gonna remake it to fit my application.

12-02-2005, 07:08 PM	#17
EyeH8the24 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: beulah,alabama Posts: 1,075	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. about what does he charge for makin ya one ? i am gonna need another one really soon....



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12-02-2005, 07:56 PM	#18
67'ShortMonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salmon Arm, B.C. Canda Posts: 73	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. They said it should be right around $200, I'll see if they hold to that though. Hope to have it on by christmas, once it's done i hope to have cad drawings of the crossmember to fit the 67-72 era. I'll see if he is willing to build them to sell them.

12-03-2005, 11:27 AM	#19
Film Guy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 105	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. Ok, so I talked to the guy up @ jim meyer racing about their front crossmember. What a jerk. I felt like after the conversation I would not buy a thing from them. Maybe he was having a bad day. I will try fat man on monday. What other options do I have for this project. I don't mind a weld in kit.

12-04-2005, 01:24 PM	#21
turmoline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: santa cruz, Calif. U.S. Posts: 166	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. I hope the pic worked. I have the fatman bolt in mustang II.stage 2 kit. Real easy to work with. the pic is with standard spindles. The truck handles real well with the spring set up. I tried running 2" drop spindles to get the truck to ride a little lower but the tires would rub pretty bad while cornering. Iam currently going to experiment with air bags to see how the performance changes. the tracking width narrows from stock with this setup. Attached Images Last edited by turmoline; 12-04-2005 at 01:31 PM.

12-04-2005, 01:38 PM	#22
turmoline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: santa cruz, Calif. U.S. Posts: 166	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. here's another pic Attached Images

12-04-2005, 07:01 PM	#23
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 22,066	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. What are your front wheel/tire specs? That might help some people w/a reference on ride height. Looks good BTW..... __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

01-10-2006, 11:05 PM	#25
67'ShortMonster Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salmon Arm, B.C. Canda Posts: 73	Re: 67 SWB with must II front & 4 link rear. I used the m2 bearings & races... had to machine the rotor a bit for it all to work right. The bore is correct, just need to sholder it a bit to get the rotor to sit on the spindle a little farther... I think that's what I did... can't remember 100% though.

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