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02-06-2008, 06:59 AM | #1 |
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Bad transaction with "insanebehavior" : update matter resolved
I loathe the day I would ever need to post a "bad dealing" about another forum member, but this weekend takes the cake, and I'm out $500, so ... here goes.
insanebehavior, showed up at the 67-72 forum in the past few weeks and started posting pictures of his seriously kickass projects (note to self: just b/c someone works on projects that look cool on the internet DOES NOT mean they are a cool, reasonable, or honest person) So, one of the pictures he shared was of a "powdercoated C10 frame with ART rear suspension". He said he was planning to hack it up so he could install a step-notch in the rear, if you do a search on the guy, you can see a couple of diff't places he mentions this - it seemed totally crazy to me (should have been a sign), so I asked him if he wanted to swap frames with me (my virgin frame + cash for his complete frame), rather than hack up his current frame that he put a couple thousand into already. "It seems like a mutually beneficial deal," I told him. He agreed. We talked on the phone, he sent some blurry pictures using his iPhone, told me it was notched in the front for the PorterBuilt DropMember he'd bought, and I said, "this is ok, just leave the notch there, I may use it later". We settled on a price of $2,000 (plus my frame, in trade). I asked for some more pictures (less blurry), and asked again that he DID NOT patch up the front notch to get it "back to stock" after he suggested he wanted to (this is important later). Saturday morning, I rented a friend's truck and trailer in exchange for buying a new $130 hitch for it, I loaded up my (virgin, spotless, never-been-wrecked-or-hacked) frame and headed to FL on this past Saturday morning. Got into town and we made plans to meet. Made it to his place early the next morning, we unloaded my frame and started pulling the front steering and drivetrain mounts to swap them to his frame while he worked on his insanely nice '64 Chevelle. When I was trying to swap over the idler arm and steering linkage, I noticed that he went ahead and patched the front notch and had the frame repainted, even though I asked him not to TWICE. Unfortunately, the patch deleted one of the two required holes for the idler arm support, so I couldn't even bolt up my idler arm to the frame completely. He asked me to just bolt one side up so we could look at it; when we did, it just wouldn't sit straight, and while eyeballing things, no matter how we bent it, we couldn't get the center link to sit straight in relation to the front crossmember, which suggests to me that the frame was out of whack in the front (wreck?) because everything else was straight. He prompted me to "drill the hole in approximately the right location and shim the idler arm mount with some washers". I told him I thought this was ghetto-rigging it, I plan on showing the truck and can't have crap like that on it - not to mention, this is a HUGE safety concern for me. You don't just rig up crap to make it "fit", there are longer-term consequences to think about. I explained to him that this problem was a dealbreaker for me - I only have 3mm of clearance between the center link and GenIII oilpan as it is, so this this has HUGE potential to be a problem for me requiring more fabrication than I was comfortable with at the price he was asking. For me, I didn't feel like I could justify the $325 in gas to drive down/back, then another $2,000 on a pre-painted frame that I couldn't use - or that would require me to figure out alignment and possibly notch the my crossmember or oil pan over. While coming to this decision, I looked over the frame, and noticed a few other things he neglected to tell me about it while in conversation (he'd expressed it was "mint"):
At that point, I told him, "Look...I can't justify this purchase. Too much work for me to do for something you said was already perfect, and I can't risk the steering problems it's looking like I'll have. It's too big of a risk on my side." Of course, he was pissed. He blew up and jumped my ass talking about "this is what is wrong with the young people today", and "this leaves a really bad taste in my mouth". "We had a deal, you sealed it, and I put money to get my welding guy and body guy in here to fix that notch and repaint the frame. I'm out $200-300!!" I felt this wasn't fair - if he would have listened to me when I said, "DON'T patch the notch!", he would have been out no money at all, and we could walk away cordially, albeit I would be out $325 (for gas ... not to mention the 16 hours of my life I can't get back), but ... at least with a sliver of pride. He was overly persistent about me paying for the work that he "did for me". I'm thinking to myself...I didn't put a gun to his head for crying out loud! In fact, I asked him NOT to do it!! Since this is the main source for our impasse, it's his fault, right? He told me I need to "take responsibility for my actions and the deal *I* made with *HIM*". I'm confused - why wasn't he taking responsibility for his own actions and owning up to installing the patch that caused our issues? I explained to him very nicely that: A) I asked him twice NOT to do that work that cost him the money he was complaining about. B) I am already out $325 in gas when this is all done, and an entire weekend away from home, on the road. C) There is stuff here he didn't tell me about the frame, and I could have never known because he didn't provide any additional pictures for me to see - he assured me the frame was "mint", and I trusted him because he was a forum member, and my dozens of forum transactions have always been good. He didn't want to hear it. I told him, "Look...I am a stand-up guy and have that reputation on the truck forum and in real life. I feel bad you're out, I can empathize, I am out money here too. If I wasn't serious about buying, I wouldn't have my frame here, I wouldn't have $2,000 in my back pocket, and we wouldn't be talking right now. If you really feel that slighted, and you feel like you're out that much, I'll leave you $100 cash right here for your time. This is me meeting your halfway on the work you had done "for me", even though I explicitly asked you twice NOT to do it." He absolutely refused and said I needed to pay him the full $300-400 to "make this right" before I leave. (The number suddenly increased?) I told him this wasn't at all fair. So, now I'm not leaving his property until I give him at least half, which is $200? A friend of his showed up to finish the purchase of his lifted yellow C10 off of him - up to this point, nobody else was nearby. This could have been a blessing in disguise (thank you, Lord) After a lot of him telling me I was "so wrong" and needed to "own up and take responsibility", I was getting a bit concerned at this point, because I am outnumbered, I am feeling threatened, my truck, trailer and frame are all in his shop on his property - He had me by the balls. So, I told him the most I would be comfortable giving him for his time and shop space is $150, which was half of the $200-300 amount he initially said he invested in the repair. He still refused. Finally, I said, "Look. $175 and I'm out of here." He got pissed, said "Fine, leave it on the table here, load up your crap and get the hell out of here". I left the money on the table (a $100, $50, $20 and $5 bill, to be exact) and packed my stuff to leave. He put a motor mount on top of it (?) and walked over to ***** about the incident to his buddy (grossly exagerating what happened in his favor, as he would probably do here). Thankfully - and probably the only stand-up thing that happened (thanks, Scott, wherever you are) they eventually came over and helped me roll my frame onto my trailer, and left to do some transaction related to the sale of his lifte C10 (on sunday?). I admit, he apologized for blowing up on me before leaving, which I found strange, but it was the Christian thing to do, and I appreciate that. It doesn't get me the frame I was expecting, NOR does it get me the $175 I gave up just to get out of there. I packed up. I put all of his tools away that I used - because I would expect anyone else to do the same for me, regardless the circumstances...that is the kinda guy I am, and how my parents brought me up. I spooled up his compressor line and placed all of the pneumatic tools I was using on the table next to the $175 cash. I hopped in my truck and took off, headed for home, an 8-hour drive, empty-handed, complete waste of a trip, and feeling completely and totally freaking ripped off. 16 hours wasted. $325 in gas. $175 in "make-nice" money. $130 for a trailer hitch in exchange for borrowing a truck and trailer. I called him as I was headed out, he wasn't back yet. I told him I put away everything, spooled up all of the hoses and cords, and left any tools I couldn't find a place for on the table, next to the money (which was there when I left). He calls back 20 mins later and asks me, "Where's that money you left?" I tell him it's on the table, next to the pneumatic tools. He tells me he's going to look out on the driveway, it must have "blown away" (yet it was under a motor mount he put on it?). I ask him, "Are you trying to screw with me?" He says "No, not screwing with you, it's not here. Maybe my brother is messing with me, hold on, let me go ask. I'll call you back." He calls back and says his brother said he didn't do it. I can't tell if either he is screwing with me, someone over there is screwing with him, or what the hell is going on. I think he's trying to get me for the full $350 he finally tried to say he spent, but ... I could've gotten my entire frame sandblasted and powdercoated for that kind of money. Hell, I could have bought a new frame for less. I do not know what to do about this situation, but I've been effectively called a liar, and the guy was harassing me about the money - I got a PM from him about 12 hours ago saying he still couldn't find the money. He just emailed me to boot - and this is after three phone calls on Sunday evening while driving home. With God as my witness, I left this guy the money. I'll be honest - Deep inside I really regret leaving him anything...I left the cash because of concern for my personal safety, cooperation, and because he genuinely made me feel like a piece of crap while I was there, which is something nobody should ever need to go through. [EDIT] He just dropped a line, the money turned up in his lock box, so this has been cleared up. Apparently the maintenance guy stopped by, saw it, and locked it up. So, I'm out $500 at this point because of this deal gone bad, and he's out ... nothing, from what I can tell - I could have bagged and notched my truck for $500 (w/o compressor or tank), so now I *REALLY* felt like crap because I just blew away 25% of my entire buildup budget and have nothing to show but a dent in my pride and self esteem. Just know - I got shafted and was put in a really uncomfortable spot - I'm afraid it could happen to others. Moreover, I just want everyone else to see this - do you think it's fair? What would you have done? 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Be aware. And Mark, if you're reading this - think long and hard, because you know what I've posted here is 100% accurate. I DID NOT take your money - you DID take my money, however. [EDIT] Since the time of this post, I've received an email from Mark trying to clear the air. I appreciate the gesture. This entire deal could have been a matter of "miscommunication", but I took the time to post this, so unless a moderator or admin pulls it down, it's sticking just in case someone else deals with crap like this from EITHER him or me.
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02-06-2008, 07:16 AM | #2 |
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Re: Bad transaction with "insanebehavior"
shifty,
I have to say, you handled this better than I would. Sorry you got screwed...it does happen. With $ in my pocket, I'd bring a friend, or a "piece", or a big stick and let the cards fall ...I'm po'ed just reading your story! Hope it all works out...
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02-06-2008, 12:38 PM | #3 |
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shifty, NOBODY should threaten you to give them $...i dont care about weld this patch here, or dont weld this patch...fact of the matter is it wasnt as expected and you didnt want it anymore...sure this guy can get mad and whinne about the deal not going through, but he steped over the line when he bullied you out of 175$....says alot about this lieing, bully, jerk.....after ready this i hope he sends you the 175$ back plus $ for YOUR time....insanebehavior is a fitting name, id add "im a bully with insanebehavior" and ill pay the 5$ to chage your name if your instrested???!!!!
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02-06-2008, 12:57 PM | #4 |
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Oh, he didn't threaten me directly, please don't get me wrong, and he was pissed. He told me when apologizing that "he hasn't been pissed in 4 or five days, and was overdue". But it was enough to shake me enough to question what his intent or motives were.
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02-06-2008, 01:00 PM | #5 |
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the fact he even told you to give him any $ was over the line....i didnt get ya wrong...
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02-06-2008, 01:01 PM | #6 |
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That in itself is sad. If someone is angry enough in life to be mad that often... they need help
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i agree with liz. it's funny he has a problem with "younger people" and yet he handled the situation like a child that didn't get his way....people need to grow up!
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Shifty, its been said before but I have to say you handled that way better then I would of. First off I would not have given him any money, infact I would of asked him for money to help pay for the gas you spent to get down there and to go back. not to mention he misrepresented the frame. I truly feel sorry for you bro. if he was any decent type of guy he would of gave you some money for gas. At the least I would of offered you a beer and some food.
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02-07-2008, 06:55 AM | #9 |
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The more I think about it and talk about it, the more I really feel I should have just taken the money and left....
..... BUT .... at that very moment, it felt like a very dishonest thing to do, and at the end of the day, I have my Maker to answer to. I *DID* leave the money for him, and no matter how you slice it, within the confines of the law, taking it could be construed as "theft". I know, I know, him even ASKING me for it in the first place was wrong, but think about that - if someone does you wrong by stealing your car, if you go steal their car, that doesn't make everything "OK" - you are just as guilty of car theft as the other person. I do agree with everyone that the $175 I was asked to cough up was completely unnecessary and not right. You know, It's amazing how clear everything is in retrospect; HOWEVER, I don't necessarily think he owes me for gas, food or trailering expenses. From my perspective, as a buyer, I am responsible for trying to obtain as much information about a purchase as humanly possible BEFORE I make arrangements to come see it and/or pick it up. In reality, I am at fault for not pressing him for more information and for some much better pictures so I could make the decision to buy or not. Hell, I could have also sent a friend over to check it out for me before driving down - there ARE ways I could have protected myself here, so .... I am partially at fault, and I can accept that fault and be OK with eating the $325 in gas - and after buying this $130 hitch, I now have unlimited "borrowing" rights to a truck & trailer, which I will use in the future, so I look at that as an investment. I guess the thing to consider here for others is ... If you don't think his way of doing business (making me pay for his mistakes) is a good and fair way to do business, spread the word about him to others. Reputation goes a long way on the internet - just look at what happened to that guy on Pirate4x4.com and also look at James Blanton (the deadbeat from Texas) and how everyone knows to be wary of doing business. The internet is a powerful tool for getting the word out. And if having everyone on the world wide web know about the way he does business is worth $175 to him, or even $325 (that's half my gas expense + all the money I gave him), then ... he's obviously shady, and I'll leave this thread as a permanent record in case others stumble across him. The more I think about it, the more pissed I get. I need to stop checking back and looking at this topic
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Shifty,
I think you hit the nail on the head, do your homework before you leave. This doesn't justify irrational behaviour, but it does remove any wiggle room. You did the right thing and should have no problem sleeping at night, I'm not so sure about him. Bottomline, your reputation and conscience is worth more than $175, apparently his isn't.
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1st of All Sorry for your Loss, I would have done exactly as you Chose to do under those circumstance's, The World is Full of Wacko People ............... Rick
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DEAR FELLOW FORUM MEMBERS. IT BOTHERS ME TO HAVE TO GIVE THE COMMENTS BY SHIFTY THE DIGNITY OF A COMMENT BUT THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. IF THE REALITY OF SHIFTY'S COMMENTS WERE TRUE, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY FEEL THE WAY OTHER MEMBERS ARE FEELING WHEN LISTENING TO THE STORY. UNFORTUNATLY, IT IS THE ONE SIDE OF A TWO SIDED STORY. IT IS A SAD DAY FOR ME TO SEE THAT ANOTHER MEMBER HAS CHOSEN TO PRESENT AN EXAGERATED ONE SIDE VERSION OF A CHAIN OF EVENTS OF A SITUATION WHICH WAS ENTIRELY ORCHESTRATED BY SHIFTY.
LETS GET THIS STORY IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE. I CAN CLEARLY STATE I HAD NO INTENTIONS OF SELLING MY FRAME UNTIL SHIFTY MADE A ONLINE PROPOSAL TO BUY IT AT A LOW PRICE. IF YOU GO TO MY THREAD http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=275456&page=4 SHIFTY SOLICITEDD THE PURCHASE OF MY FRAME AND I QUOTE FROM QUOTE #3 FROM SHIFTY "that would suck to cut that c-notch out, especially after powdercoating that joker. how about you unbolt and keep that dropmember and do me a huge favor by selling me your existing notched frame for my project for $1,500-$2,000? or you could trade up (+ cash from me) for my virgin frame, which is damned rust free, no pits, no twists or bends no BS, just a nice solid frame (new cab mounts, too) i bet i know a boardmember that lives less than 25 miles from my house that has (or can get) a virgin SWB frame for you to use ... Or you could have mine, I guess PICTURES OF MY FRAME WERE POSTED ON THE WEB AND HE SAW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS GETTING WHICH WAS A NICE POWDER COATED FRAME WITH ART REAR SUSPENSION. SO, I AGREED AT HIS REQUEST AND HE TOLD ME IT WAS A DONE DEAL AND ASKED IF HE COULD FORWARD A DEPOSIT WHICH I DECLINED. I SAID PAY ME WHEN YOU GET HERE. BOTTOM LINE HE ARRIVED WITH A ROLLING CHASIS WITH FULL SUSPENSION, FRONT ARMS, 4 WHEEL DRUM BRAKES, TRAILING ARMS STEERING, AND BRAKE LINES STILL ATTACHED. HE TOLD ME HE COULD REMOVE HIS ENTIRE SUSPENSION AND REATTACH IT TO MY NEW FRAME IN 45 - 75 MINUTES. IT APPREARED THE FRONT SUSPENSION AND DRUM BRAKES HAD NEVER BEEN OFF THE VEHICLE. HE WAS THERE 90 MINUTES AND HAD BARELY GOTTEN THE STEERING BOX REMOVED. HE THEN CLAIMED THE FRAME WAS DIFFERENT THAN HIS. WE QUICKLY CALLED MOTHER TRUCKERS AND WE WERE TOLD THE FRAMES WERE THE SAME. HIS WIFE CALLED AT 11:30 THINKING HE WAS ABOUT READY TO LEAVE BY HIS CALULATIONS AS I OVERHEAD HIM TELL HER HE WOULD NOT BE HOME BY 7 OR SO. BOTTOM LINE HE GOT OVER HIS HEAD. THERE WAS NO WAY HE COULD ACCOMPLISH HIS PLAN AND HE CUT AND RUN. HE GOT OVER HIS HEAD. WHEN SHIFTY LEFT MY HOUSE, HE DID SO WITH A HANDSHAKE. WE HAD BOTH SAID SOMETHINGS WE REGRETED BUT QUICKLY APPOLGIZED AND WE REALIZED THERE WERE MUCH MORE IMPORTANTS THINGS THAN THE INCONVENENCE THIS HAD CAUSED BOTH OF US. BY SHIFTY'S ADMISSION, HIS WIFE KEEPS A CLOSE EYE ON FINANCES. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHEN HE GOT HOME THERE WAS A DISAPPOINTED PERSON AND MONEY SPENT FOR NOTHING WHICH CAUSED SOME RESENTMENT. I HAD NO CONTROL OVER THIS MAN DRIVING TO FLORIDA AN THEN CHANGING HIS MIND. THE FRAME WAS GOOD AND WAS AS DESCRIBED. FOLKS, AS I TOLD SHIFTY, ITS A BAD WORLD WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR THERE OWN ACTIONS. HE SOLICITED THE FRAME, DROVE TO FLORIDA, AND BACKED OUT. I CANNOT TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR THAT. THIS IS CLEARLY AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE USING A GREAT AND POSITIVE FORUM FOR REVENGE IN A MATTER THAT HE IS COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR. IN CLOSING, I HAVE ALREADY RECIEVED 3 VERY LENGTHY RAMBLING HATEFUL EMAILS FROM SHIFTY WHICH I HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE. MAYBE THIS HAS FRUSTRATED HIM AND CAUSED THIS IRRATIONAL ACT OF BETRAYAL TOWARD ME?? MY ONLY OBJECT WITH THIS IS TO TELL WHAT HAPPENED IN MY EYES AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. I WILL IMAGINE THERE WILL BE AN LONG EMAIL DENOUCING MY WORDS. PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE ONLY TOLD MY STORY AND WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I AM NOT RECRUTING ANYONE FOR MY SIDE AS I AM GOOD WITH THE MAN UPSTAIRS THAT I DID WHAT I WAS SUPPOSE TO DO AND TOOK RESPONSIBILTY FOR THE REST. PEACE BROTHER TRUCKERS. MARK Last edited by insanebehavior; 02-09-2008 at 02:08 AM. |
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There is no way you can feel at peace with the way you acted.... think about it.... send Shifty his money back...
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I am not ashamed to show any of this. Here are the three "hate" emails I sent to him, UNEDITED. This is after he messaged me here and via email telling me "the money was missing" when he got home.
This messages in (blue) are the ones he sent me - read it, and you'll know WHY it looks as if I'm pretty pissed in my emails (in black) you'll find in chronological order. Quote:
After reading that, yes...I was pissed. You called me a liar and a theif, plain and simple. NOT TO MENTION the fact that you are STILL saying that your "body" and "welder" guys did the work "for me", yet I told you NOT to do that work! Email #1 from me: Quote:
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I just want to reiterate one thing: I made the deal. The deal was for a NOTCHED frame with the DropMember FRONT NOTCH STILL IN PLACE. You did not produce this frame for me. In fact, I told you not to patch it twice, but you still patched it. Then you made me pay for half the work before I left your property. Everyone above is right - you should refund the money, because YOU also did not keep to the deal we had agreed upon, yet you felt it was necessary to make me pay for your mistake? Not fair. If you want my Paypal info, I'm happy to oblige in you offering a refund and put this to rest - the more I think about this, the more I realize you effectively robbed me, put me to blame for everything, and are not accepting the responsibility for your actions, which is not the mature thing to do. You accused me of being a liar and stealing "your" money? Who is the real theif here?
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PS - just to put this out there - there were also phone calls between this, but I obviously can't transcribe the words we exchanged, which were cordial, but you stilll insinuated that I stole the money from you at more than one point in those phone calls. That is why I got so hot and blew up in my first phone call. Try and have someone call you a liar to your face four or five times when you know you're innocent...THEN try to write an email as nice as my first response above...
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Re: Bad transaction with "insanebehavior"
PPS - Here are the pictures you sent to me. I asked during a phone call for more, and I believe I asked for better quality shots.
I could have never seen anything that I mention wrong above in these photos, and I feel you should have disclosed this information. Cracks in the frame are pretty serious, and that one in yours is plain as day. Anyone can look at this and say, "damn, that looks pretty badass". But then look at the itemized list above of stuff that I found wrong with it and tell me how badass it sounds then.
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02-09-2008, 04:09 AM | #20 |
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Re: Bad transaction with "insanebehavior"
I may have a couple more laying around in email, but many were just shots of the same stuff, and none of them showed the front of the frame - the back half was great (except for the spotty weld/patch work on the passenger side where you can see a rusty water line coming down near the notch).
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02-09-2008, 04:14 AM | #21 |
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I guess the easiest way I can break this down for you is simple:
Did you ask me to pay you $175 to the cost of work I asked you NOT to do twice? YES. Did I ask you to do that work? NO. If I asked you not to do the work, and you paid for it to be done, do I *own* any *responsibility* for that money? NO. Would you be out money if you would have listened to me when I told you not to do the work? NO. Would I still be out money? YES. Gas money $325 and trailer hitch $130. But to some degree I would deserve it for not doing my homework, just as YOU deserve to be out some money for not listening to me and not providing the frame we agreed on. Bottom line - You've got money in pocket and are supposedly out about a hundred bucks - maybe two hundred bucks - for work you should not have had done in the first place. Meanwhile, my expense goes from $455 to $630 that I'm out of pocket total for that trip, not including food because of your mistake? That's the part I don't get.
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Re: Bad transaction with "insanebehavior"
just a quick question for Insanebehavior... If all was good when Shifty arrived at your house, and he was paying you the money for the frame, would you have told him the price had gone up $175 sense you last talked? just curious
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Re: Bad transaction with "insanebehavior"
Just Curious....
why was the front notch patched if the buyer specifically asked that the seller leave it as it was? why was it felt that $175 needed to swap hands?
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Well, if you need any more clarification, this is something he emailed to me BEFORE I agreed to the deal, and the reason I can't believe things went down this way:
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So ... yeah. I paid money for work he chose to do - I didn't tell him to do it. I told him NOT to do it. To boot - "I am sure others are willing to take it if you change your mind". If so, then why the hell was I prompted to pay $200-300 for the work, then later that price went up to $300-400? Why did I pay $175 out of pocket? I guess other people wouldn't want it now? I guess I'm the bad guy here, right? The same guy who stole the $175, eh? OK. Sure thing. I pay for work you choose to do. that's fair. I pay $325 for gas and $130 for a trailer hitch to come down and pick up a frame that winds up being half-ass in the front half, and I'm the bad guy who needs to cough up $$$. I think you should cough up some dollars. Even Scott was interested in buying the frame before I left, and he was pinging Mark about what he'd want for it, because he was thinking about putting it on his street rod truck...
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Re: Bad transaction with "insanebehavior"
Well I know who I would do business with, and who I wouldn't. I may not agree with Shifty on any political issue but I know he's a stand up guy.
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