How to tighten up bags for cornering? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Irishpilot · 01-15-2009, 05:35 PM

Alright, so I've come to the conclusion that I need valves for each bag. I have valves for the front and rear, and the truck really leans when I corner because of the transfer of air between bags. So, how much will the bags resist leaning if I get valves for each? I also need a sway bar in the front, which I assume will help this problem out. I like to run low, and this causes the bags to be pretty low on pressure. What have you guys done to tighten it up? I'm not looking for corvette-like cornering, just no more leaning!

**lolife99** · 01-15-2009, 08:37 PM

Just add 1 fill and 1 dump on each bag. Then install a sway bar. That should make a world of difference!

**N2TRUX** · 01-15-2009, 08:39 PM

First thing is get a sway bar. Get an 1 1/8" off of a 3/4 ton truck or an aftermarket unit. It WILL make a difference. Next, is get at least two more valves to isolate your front. It would be best to isolate all corners but you def want to stop air transfer up front.

I have never done it, but I have been told that trimming, or removing your cups (assuming you have front cups) will allow you to go lower. Consequently it will take more air to ride low so your bags should have more pressure and not be so squishy.

Irishpilot · 01-15-2009, 10:42 PM

Thanks guys! I figured that is what I would have to do. As a info note, I get more looks with the truck bagged than I do with my Corvette! That is no joke...there are so many guys that come up and tell me that it reminds them of a '67-72 that they have/had. Here is a pic of it a few weeks ago here in Utah.

**lolife99** · 01-15-2009, 10:47 PM

That's a good looking truck!

andrewmp6 · 01-15-2009, 11:35 PM

Front sway bar is a must no matter what springs or bags you use.That is one nice looking truck.

leftcoast66 · 01-16-2009, 01:51 AM

I've heard put the valves as close to the bag as possible, or directly ontop if possible, because it will keep the air from going back into the line under hard cornering rather than staying in the bag.

camaro__thunder · 01-16-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by leftcoast66

I've heard put the valves as close to the bag as possible, or directly ontop if possible, because it will keep the air from going back into the line under hard cornering rather than staying in the bag.

Or you can install check valves at each bag to help with the weight/air transfer.

theyammieguy · 01-16-2009, 12:04 PM

You have a sweet ride. Can't wait till I can bag mine.

Frizzle Fry · 01-16-2009, 12:34 PM

8 valves, 1.25" bar up front, Helwig style or late Camaro rear bar and you be grinnin from ear to ear. Cut cups and good shocks wouldn't hurt either. That's the setup I ran for some time on my 69 Burb. It held the road pretty well considering it was a 2 ton rig with a 127" wheelbase.

Twisted Minis · 01-17-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frizzle Fry

8 valves, 1.25" bar up front, Helwig style or late Camaro rear bar and you be grinnin from ear to ear. Cut cups and good shocks wouldn't hurt either. That's the setup I ran for some time on my 69 Burb. It held the road pretty well considering it was a 2 ton rig with a 127" wheelbase.

A nice set of shocks will make a world of difference. It's incredible the difference when you switch from a Monroe or KYB to a Bilstein. Bilstein has a new line of shocks meant specifically for air ride. After putting them on a few vehicles, I won't run anything but on a vehicle of my own.

gringoloco · 01-17-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Minis

Bilstein has a new line of shocks meant specifically for air ride.

Do you have a link? I can't seem to find them.

Irishpilot · 01-16-2009, 08:17 PM

Thanks for the compliments on the truck! I've decided to get eight valves and definitely a sway bar. I have a lot of hp going through the truck and it would be nice to stay in the throttle around some corners instead of slamming the breaks and feeling like I'm in a '72 Cadillac.

Do you guys know if the supertrack bar from ECE is all I need back there? I've got that now, so I'm not sure if there is somehing else to go back.

Frizzle Fry · 01-17-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Irishpilot

Do you guys know if the supertrack bar from ECE is all I need back there? I've got that now, so I'm not sure if there is somehing else to go back.

The track/panhard bar does not provide any anti-roll/sway. All it does is keep the rearend centered (or close to it). There are sway bars you can install in the back for anti-sway that are totally seperate/different than a track bar.

Search this forum for "Camaro Rear" or "Rear Sway"

c10addict · 01-20-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Irishpilot

Thanks for the compliments on the truck! I've decided to get eight valves and definitely a sway bar. I have a lot of hp going through the truck and it would be nice to stay in the throttle around some corners instead of slamming the breaks and feeling like I'm in a '72 Cadillac.

Do you guys know if the supertrack bar from ECE is all I need back there? I've got that now, so I'm not sure if there is somehing else to go back.

If you dont have the cash for everything right now START with the sway bar... My 64 only has front and rear control and did not have a sway bar... I would start blowing the rockers off of it going through corners lol... I called ADDCO and ordered a sway bar and it is great now... A world of difference! I have a set of valves I bought and haven't put them on yet just because it handles great with the sway bar..

andrewmp6 · 01-17-2009, 03:48 AM

About how much power you go i would think about bigger brakes if its a lot.

Twisted Minis · 01-18-2009, 12:03 AM

No. Bilstein's site doesn't have much on it. I've been playing with them for a while and I like them. I could probably answer some questions based on experience. RCD Suspensions has Bilstein build them specifically for them.

**N2TRUX** · 01-18-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Minis

..... RCD Suspensions has Bilstein build them specifically for them.

So is RCD who you get yours through, or do deal with Bilstein direct?

Twisted Minis · 01-18-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by N2TRUX

So is RCD who you get yours through, or do deal with Bilstein direct?

I get them through RCD since Bilstein makes the shocks for them. Bilstein doesn't sell them to anyone else from what I understand. I am an authorized distributor for them, but they still come from RCD. I have a chart at the shop with a breakdown of them. I will try to remember to grab a picture of it. It's basically just a Bilstein shock with valving designed for air ride. It's more progressive than your standard shocks. Since the air bag gets softer when the pressure is released, these get more firm as they compress more.

**N2TRUX** · 01-18-2009, 12:25 PM

Cool. Post up the details when you can.

Twisted Minis · 01-18-2009, 01:02 PM

I sent Steve an email, he said he created a page on their site recently for the air ride shocks. He sent me this link, so this should be all the info you need.
http://www.racecardynamics.com/class...ag/airride.htm

SCOTI · 01-18-2009, 01:37 PM

Nice link. I did Bilsteins on my 68. The rears required using 88-98 rear shocks w/some driveway made bracketry. One of those p/n's would have been much easier.....

edflores · 01-18-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Minis

I sent Steve an email, he said he created a page on their site recently for the air ride shocks. He sent me this link, so this should be all the info you need.
http://www.racecardynamics.com/class...ag/airride.htm

where do we find pricing?

gringoloco · 01-20-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by edflores

where do we find pricing?

Grant has them for $90 each...

Twisted Minis · 01-18-2009, 08:10 PM

Call me or any of the other authorized distributors.

01-15-2009, 05:35 PM	#1
Irishpilot Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kunsan AB, South Korea Posts: 187	How to tighten up bags for cornering? Alright, so I've come to the conclusion that I need valves for each bag. I have valves for the front and rear, and the truck really leans when I corner because of the transfer of air between bags. So, how much will the bags resist leaning if I get valves for each? I also need a sway bar in the front, which I assume will help this problem out. I like to run low, and this causes the bags to be pretty low on pressure. What have you guys done to tighten it up? I'm not looking for corvette-like cornering, just no more leaning! __________________ 1971 C-10, 406ci, restoration begun! 406ci sb; zero decked, bored .030, edelbrock aluminum e-tec heads, edelbrock performer RPM intake, comp 268 cam, comp 1.6 pro-magnum roller rockers, MSD street fire HEI, MSD 8.5mm wires, Holley Street demon 770, Hedman LT headers. 10.6:1 compression, Air Ride Tech bags on all 4-corners.

01-15-2009, 08:37 PM	#2
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Just add 1 fill and 1 dump on each bag. Then install a sway bar. That should make a world of difference! __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

01-15-2009, 08:39 PM	#3
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? First thing is get a sway bar. Get an 1 1/8" off of a 3/4 ton truck or an aftermarket unit. It WILL make a difference. Next, is get at least two more valves to isolate your front. It would be best to isolate all corners but you def want to stop air transfer up front. I have never done it, but I have been told that trimming, or removing your cups (assuming you have front cups) will allow you to go lower. Consequently it will take more air to ride low so your bags should have more pressure and not be so squishy. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

01-15-2009, 10:42 PM	#4
Irishpilot Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kunsan AB, South Korea Posts: 187	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Thanks guys! I figured that is what I would have to do. As a info note, I get more looks with the truck bagged than I do with my Corvette! That is no joke...there are so many guys that come up and tell me that it reminds them of a '67-72 that they have/had. Here is a pic of it a few weeks ago here in Utah.

01-15-2009, 10:47 PM	#5
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? That's a good looking truck! __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

01-15-2009, 11:35 PM	#6
andrewmp6 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 5,811	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Front sway bar is a must no matter what springs or bags you use.That is one nice looking truck.

01-16-2009, 01:51 AM	#7
leftcoast66 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 770	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? I've heard put the valves as close to the bag as possible, or directly ontop if possible, because it will keep the air from going back into the line under hard cornering rather than staying in the bag.

01-16-2009, 12:04 PM	#9
theyammieguy accepting donations Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: houston tx Posts: 521	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? You have a sweet ride. Can't wait till I can bag mine. __________________ 1999 Yamaha roadstar 1600 chop. (in progress.) See my builds here>http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n238/nickrp_2006/ "Ya'll can go to hell, I'm going to Texas." David Crockett

01-16-2009, 12:34 PM	#10
Frizzle Fry Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hillsboro Oregon Posts: 6,449	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? 8 valves, 1.25" bar up front, Helwig style or late Camaro rear bar and you be grinnin from ear to ear. Cut cups and good shocks wouldn't hurt either. That's the setup I ran for some time on my 69 Burb. It held the road pretty well considering it was a 2 ton rig with a 127" wheelbase.

01-16-2009, 08:17 PM	#13
Irishpilot Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kunsan AB, South Korea Posts: 187	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Thanks for the compliments on the truck! I've decided to get eight valves and definitely a sway bar. I have a lot of hp going through the truck and it would be nice to stay in the throttle around some corners instead of slamming the breaks and feeling like I'm in a '72 Cadillac. Do you guys know if the supertrack bar from ECE is all I need back there? I've got that now, so I'm not sure if there is somehing else to go back.

01-17-2009, 03:48 AM	#16
andrewmp6 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 5,811	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? About how much power you go i would think about bigger brakes if its a lot.

01-18-2009, 12:03 AM	#17
Twisted Minis Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Windsor, CA Posts: 500	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? No. Bilstein's site doesn't have much on it. I've been playing with them for a while and I like them. I could probably answer some questions based on experience. RCD Suspensions has Bilstein build them specifically for them. __________________ If you can find it cheaper, I can fix it!

01-18-2009, 12:25 PM	#20
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Cool. Post up the details when you can. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

01-18-2009, 01:02 PM	#21
Twisted Minis Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Windsor, CA Posts: 500	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? I sent Steve an email, he said he created a page on their site recently for the air ride shocks. He sent me this link, so this should be all the info you need. http://www.racecardynamics.com/class...ag/airride.htm __________________ If you can find it cheaper, I can fix it!

01-18-2009, 01:37 PM	#22
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 22,068	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Nice link. I did Bilsteins on my 68. The rears required using 88-98 rear shocks w/some driveway made bracketry. One of those p/n's would have been much easier..... __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.* Last edited by SCOTI; 01-18-2009 at 01:39 PM.



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01-18-2009, 08:10 PM	#25
Twisted Minis Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Windsor, CA Posts: 500	Re: How to tighten up bags for cornering? Call me or any of the other authorized distributors. __________________ If you can find it cheaper, I can fix it!

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