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**LEEVON** · 01-16-2010, 11:52 PM

I've been seeing the subject of manual valves for air bags coming up here and there and I don't fully understand it.

I know that traditional systems have electric solenoids that open/close the valves, and I know that the manual valves have the air plumbed directly to them.

That is where I lose it, can somebody fill in the blanks for me? Like what is the sequence of operations? I'm sure a simple schematic would clear it all up but I can't find one.

For example: http://www.airbagit.com/product-p/air-con-35c.htm

How is the compressor and pressure switch controlled?

Thanks

Thorbecke Bros. · 01-17-2010, 12:15 AM

its pretty simple actually. lets say you want independent control over each wheel. you would run four, 1/4" airlines into your cab from the tank to your manual valves. then you would run four, 1/4" airlines to your bags from each valve. now to hook up gauges, which you would want at least 2 dual needles, you just splice into the airline that goes from your valve to the bags with four "T" fittings.

[IMG]http://www.*****************/jason/images/panel.jpg[/IMG]

here is a wiring diagram for your psi switch and compressors.
[IMG]http://www.*****************/files/how_to/wire-diagrams/compressor.gif[/IMG]

**LEEVON** · 01-17-2010, 12:20 AM

Wow, thanks!

Thorbecke Bros. · 01-17-2010, 12:55 AM

No problem! If your interested in the valves and a stainless panel that the valves snap into, that runs $64.99. If you want to add gauges just add $55.00. Stainless plates are laser cut in house in case your interested in a specific design.

SCOTI · 01-17-2010, 10:49 AM

You can get away w/running 2 supply lines into the cab T'd off to 4 manual paddles switches. The paddle switches then run 1 line each out to each corner.

The down side to manual paddle switches is they dump the exhaust air into the cab (@ the paddle switch) vs. outside. Could get funky if you jack w/the height alot. I pretty much leave mine alone so it never bothered me. I've thought about trying to determine where on the switch they dump to see if the air could be routed externally of the cab but haven't gotten around to it.

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Originally Posted by Thobecke Bros

No problem! If your interested in the valves and a stainless panel that the valves snap into, that runs $64.99. If you want to add gauges just add $55.00. Stainless plates are laser cut in house in case your interested in a specific design.

Is that $55 each gauge or for both ($120 total; 4-switches, 2 dual needle gauges)?

Thorbecke Bros. · 01-17-2010, 12:58 PM

$120.00 total for 4 paddle valves, 2 airlift dual needle gauges, and the stainless plate pictured that holds the gauges and the valves. If that plate is not desireable to your application we can laser cut one to your design. We can also bend a mounting flange at the top of the plate for under dash mounting.

fixit-p · 01-17-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI

The down side to manual paddle switches is they dump the exhaust air into the cab (@ the paddle switch) vs. outside.

Has anyone considered using quick exhaust valves on these manual set ups to dump the air outside. That way the only air dumping in the cab is pilot air and not bag air and an orifice can be threaded in the exhaust port to aid in adjusting bag height if it's a problem. Just thinking out loud.

staggerd86c-10 · 01-26-2010, 07:49 AM

do they have to dump into the cab or does the valve have a fitting that hoses can be run out of?

Thorbecke Bros. · 01-26-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by staggerd86c-10

do they have to dump into the cab or does the valve have a fitting that hoses can be run out of?

The valve has a hole in the back that dumps the air. With this valve the air dumps inside the cab.

xJoey Dubsx · 01-26-2010, 01:59 PM

Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that.

SCOTI · 01-26-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xJoey Dubsx

Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that.

The ones I have from Ride Tech don't have a place on the switch to connect a fitting to.

Thorbecke Bros. · 01-26-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xJoey Dubsx

Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that.

no, its just a small hole.

xJoey Dubsx · 01-27-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorbecke Bros.

no, its just a small hole.

Can't fit a small barbed fitting in there though? lol

Kontrol Phreaks · 01-27-2010, 01:11 PM

Actually the hole is really small and you'd have to try drilling it out before trying to tap it with with a 10/32 NPT tap. Even then with a 10/32 thread you'd be pretty limited on fitting selection and could probably only run 1/8 line off the barb.

xJoey Dubsx · 01-27-2010, 05:52 PM

True....

**67cheby** · 01-27-2010, 06:24 PM

Hey LEEVON, why are you asking .... Are you going to bag it .... it would look sweet !! next time you are in siloam stop in

**LEEVON** · 01-28-2010, 12:31 AM

Hey Mike, I dunno but I want to bag something (airbag that is)

and I'm all about keeping it simple. It will probably be this one though:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=383265

I really like the idea of not having to mount the valves out in the elements and simplicity of the whole system. In a rusty old truck there's no worries about the dumping valves in the cab. Not too mention $120 is a darn good deal.

I need to come down there and see your truck again! Don't forget to holler if you're in Bentonville.

01-16-2010, 11:52 PM	#1
LEEVON Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,888	manual valves? I've been seeing the subject of manual valves for air bags coming up here and there and I don't fully understand it. I know that traditional systems have electric solenoids that open/close the valves, and I know that the manual valves have the air plumbed directly to them. That is where I lose it, can somebody fill in the blanks for me? Like what is the sequence of operations? I'm sure a simple schematic would clear it all up but I can't find one. For example: http://www.airbagit.com/product-p/air-con-35c.htm How is the compressor and pressure switch controlled? Thanks __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids Last edited by LEEVON; 01-16-2010 at 11:56 PM.

01-17-2010, 12:15 AM	#2
Thorbecke Bros. ***************** Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 172	Re: manual valves? its pretty simple actually. lets say you want independent control over each wheel. you would run four, 1/4" airlines into your cab from the tank to your manual valves. then you would run four, 1/4" airlines to your bags from each valve. now to hook up gauges, which you would want at least 2 dual needles, you just splice into the airline that goes from your valve to the bags with four "T" fittings. [IMG]http://www.***************/jason/images/panel.jpg[/IMG] here is a wiring diagram for your psi switch and compressors. [IMG]http://www.***************/files/how_to/wire-diagrams/compressor.gif[/IMG]

01-17-2010, 12:20 AM	#3
LEEVON Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,888	Re: manual valves? Wow, thanks! __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

01-17-2010, 12:55 AM	#4
Thorbecke Bros. ***************** Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 172	Re: manual valves? No problem! If your interested in the valves and a stainless panel that the valves snap into, that runs $64.99. If you want to add gauges just add $55.00. Stainless plates are laser cut in house in case your interested in a specific design.

01-17-2010, 12:58 PM	#6
Thorbecke Bros. ***************** Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 172	Re: manual valves? $120.00 total for 4 paddle valves, 2 airlift dual needle gauges, and the stainless plate pictured that holds the gauges and the valves. If that plate is not desireable to your application we can laser cut one to your design. We can also bend a mounting flange at the top of the plate for under dash mounting.

01-26-2010, 07:49 AM	#8
staggerd86c-10 Squarebody Aficionado Join Date: May 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 713	Re: manual valves? do they have to dump into the cab or does the valve have a fitting that hoses can be run out of?

01-26-2010, 01:59 PM	#10
xJoey Dubsx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brook Park, Oh Posts: 206	Re: manual valves? Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that. __________________ [CENTER][FONT="Arial Black"]-------------------- Joey Dubs -------------------- 2000 Dakota - Bagged, Shaved, and more 2003 Ram - Fast, and perdy 1951 GMC Stepside - All apart, like a puzzle.

01-27-2010, 01:11 PM	#14
Kontrol Phreaks Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Cali Posts: 242	Re: manual valves? Actually the hole is really small and you'd have to try drilling it out before trying to tap it with with a 10/32 NPT tap. Even then with a 10/32 thread you'd be pretty limited on fitting selection and could probably only run 1/8 line off the barb. __________________ - Clint -

01-27-2010, 05:52 PM	#15
xJoey Dubsx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brook Park, Oh Posts: 206	Re: manual valves? True.... __________________ [CENTER][FONT="Arial Black"]-------------------- Joey Dubs -------------------- 2000 Dakota - Bagged, Shaved, and more 2003 Ram - Fast, and perdy 1951 GMC Stepside - All apart, like a puzzle.

01-27-2010, 06:24 PM	#16
67cheby 67cheby Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: siloam springs ar 72761 Posts: 17,890	Re: manual valves? Hey LEEVON, why are you asking .... Are you going to bag it .... it would look sweet !! next time you are in siloam stop in __________________ Check out Slosh Tubz, bolt-in inner fenders for frame laying C-10's Slosh Tubz Introductory Price $559 67 Cheby's Dropmember Build Thread Slosh Tubz on Facebook http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=554172

01-28-2010, 12:31 AM	#17
LEEVON Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,888	Re: manual valves? Hey Mike, I dunno but I want to bag something (airbag that is) and I'm all about keeping it simple. It will probably be this one though: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=383265 I really like the idea of not having to mount the valves out in the elements and simplicity of the whole system. In a rusty old truck there's no worries about the dumping valves in the cab. Not too mention $120 is a darn good deal. I need to come down there and see your truck again! Don't forget to holler if you're in Bentonville. __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids Last edited by LEEVON; 01-28-2010 at 12:41 AM.



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