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1971ls1longbed · 10-18-2010, 12:34 AM

hey all im new to big block chevys. ive done sbc,lt1,ls1 but this is a whole new animal to me and i would like some help. i want to build a 427 or 454 to power my 71 c10. i would like to see 500rwhp and im going to run this in my daily driver. im using a 6spd trans. i know u guys have some tricks up your sleeves so any advice would help

djracer · 10-18-2010, 08:14 AM

A good set of heads will be a critical part of the equation. I would go 454 as they are allot easier to come by. If you really want an awesome motor put a 4.25 inch stroke crank in a 454 block and you will be amazed.

1971ls1longbed · 10-18-2010, 10:25 AM

not to sound ignorant but what would putting a 4.25 inch stroke crank in a 454 do and what type of heads should i look for

djracer · 10-18-2010, 09:47 PM

Adding a 1/4 inch of stroke adds several cubic inches. A 30 over is a 489 a 60 over is a 496 and so on.

I have had good luck with Brodix but there are several good heads out there. If you want to race an aluminum head would help allot with weight transfer.

1971ls1longbed · 10-18-2010, 10:03 PM

wow ok cool anything else. like i said im new to big block chevy so everything is new to me. what is the best cam setup for the street ex: hyd roller, mechanical, flat tappet, solid

ripdog28 · 10-18-2010, 11:47 PM

we need to know your budget then go from there. it adds up fast. imo buy one from vortecproengines.com if you only want to spend $5-6000. he is the best out there for the price. check out his reviews on chevelles.com.

djracer · 10-19-2010, 07:04 AM

Hyd roller would be the best but not cheap.

1971ls1longbed · 10-19-2010, 11:30 PM

my budget is 4-5k and i know its not alot but im sure with the help u guys have given me i can put something together that will have me grinning ear to ear

ripdog28 · 10-20-2010, 12:14 AM

With that budget i guarantee you can not beat this deal. Vortechpro... The 468 at 9.1 with 570hp or 620hp for $5k

1971ls1longbed · 10-20-2010, 01:28 AM

ripdog i just read ur build thread and i learned a lot and ur truck is absolutely wild. thanks for the link to vortec. that is exactly what im looking for

ripdog28 · 10-20-2010, 02:35 AM

Thanks for checking it out. Call up mark jones and he will plan it out with you. If I found him before building my engine I would have his 650hp 496.
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*stich626* · 10-21-2010, 08:17 AM

30 over 4 bolt forgeds crank/rods(7/16th arp bolts) if not h beam or i beam.
strocker crank (489) good forged pistons (srp)
and dart pro 1 heads and a nice hdy roller cam..
( went solid roller) single plane intake. and a 850 d/p
500rwhp is alot, what you doing to the truck to make it hook..

1971ls1longbed · 10-21-2010, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stich626

30 over 4 bolt forgeds crank/rods(7/16th arp bolts) if not h beam or i beam.
strocker crank (489) good forged pistons (srp)
and dart pro 1 heads and a nice hdy roller cam..
( went solid roller) single plane intake. and a 850 d/p
500rwhp is alot, what you doing to the truck to make it hook..

completely custom setup from no limit

gearys 5600 · 10-21-2010, 10:06 PM

My 496 made more horsepower with brodix 2xtra cnc'd, over the pro 1's. My last bbc I built had cfe bmf cnc'd 385's, 582 c.i made 1115 hp single carb, no power adder. I really think the cfe heads are hard to beat for bbc horsepower.

*stich626* · 10-22-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gearys 5600

My 496 made more horsepower with brodix 2xtra cnc'd, over the pro 1's. My last bbc I built had cfe bmf cnc'd 385's, 582 c.i made 1115 hp single carb, no power adder. I really think the cfe heads are hard to beat for bbc horsepower.

maybe but I payed 1100.oo(pair) for the 345 port heads

1971ls1longbed · 10-22-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stich626

maybe but I payed 1100.oo(pair) for the 345 port heads

Where did u get them from
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gearys 5600 · 10-23-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stich626

maybe but I payed 1100.oo(pair) for the 345 port heads

$1100 bare ?? I paid $1800 for the brodix 2xtra cnc,d complete, ready to bolt on, Not having to spend $$ for port work is worth quite a bit.

1971ls1longbed · 10-22-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gearys 5600

My 496 made more horsepower with brodix 2xtra cnc'd, over the pro 1's. My last bbc I built had cfe bmf cnc'd 385's, 582 c.i made 1115 hp single carb, no power adder. I really think the cfe heads are hard to beat for bbc horsepower.

Not to sound dumb but what is "cfe bmf"
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prostreetC-10 · 10-21-2010, 12:54 PM

For roughly 550 at the crank, gunna need heads as stated above. Get ya some AFR's....especially if you are going to stroke it. Challenge is going to be either hitting the HP target or the budget. Might be hard to do both.

prostreetC-10 · 10-22-2010, 07:11 PM

Carl Foltz....BMF is their "budget" line of heads and they will run you over $3,000 for the pair. Overkill for what you are trying to build and attain.

http://www.cferacing.com/

prostreetC-10 · 10-23-2010, 12:54 AM

lol....1100 a PAIR not BARE!!

1971ls1longbed · 10-23-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by prostreetC-10

lol....1100 a PAIR not BARE!!

wow thats a great price and where did u get them from

gearys 5600 · 10-23-2010, 01:27 AM

Good luck on that..

ripdog28 · 10-23-2010, 10:59 AM

You do not need Alum heads AFR/DART/Brodix to make 500-600-700 HP at the crank. I have seen plenty 700 hp 496 with worked over stock Iron heads. Just look at the link i posted earlier. My Iron heads have been used on 680 hp BBC with no work done to them and pump gas. Check out some builds by David Vizard.

1971ls1longbed · 10-24-2010, 01:44 AM

so who makes a good set of cast iron heads

10-18-2010, 12:34 AM	#1
1971ls1longbed Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Voorhees NJ Posts: 188	New to BBC hey all im new to big block chevys. ive done sbc,lt1,ls1 but this is a whole new animal to me and i would like some help. i want to build a 427 or 454 to power my 71 c10. i would like to see 500rwhp and im going to run this in my daily driver. im using a 6spd trans. i know u guys have some tricks up your sleeves so any advice would help __________________ 1971 Custom 10 LWB. 461 BBC and built 700r4 to be transplanted 1997 C3500 DRW Ext cab. 454, 4L80E daily driver

10-18-2010, 08:14 AM	#2
djracer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wetumpka, Al, U.S. Posts: 8,892	Re: New to BBC A good set of heads will be a critical part of the equation. I would go 454 as they are allot easier to come by. If you really want an awesome motor put a 4.25 inch stroke crank in a 454 block and you will be amazed. __________________ Kevin Special Thanks to All who have helped on the TRUCK! My Pass Time Show http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p...Chapter1-0.mp4 So Far my best Times are: Motor only: 6.44 1/8 @ 104.13 10.39 1/4 @ 125.83 Nitrous Times: 5.785 1/8 @ 118.65 with a 1.336 60ft 9.168 1/4 @ 142.58 with a 250 shot dead out of the hole!

10-18-2010, 10:25 AM	#3
1971ls1longbed Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Voorhees NJ Posts: 188	Re: New to BBC not to sound ignorant but what would putting a 4.25 inch stroke crank in a 454 do and what type of heads should i look for __________________ 1971 Custom 10 LWB. 461 BBC and built 700r4 to be transplanted 1997 C3500 DRW Ext cab. 454, 4L80E daily driver

10-18-2010, 09:47 PM	#4
djracer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wetumpka, Al, U.S. Posts: 8,892	Re: New to BBC Adding a 1/4 inch of stroke adds several cubic inches. A 30 over is a 489 a 60 over is a 496 and so on. I have had good luck with Brodix but there are several good heads out there. If you want to race an aluminum head would help allot with weight transfer. __________________ Kevin Special Thanks to All who have helped on the TRUCK! My Pass Time Show http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p...Chapter1-0.mp4 So Far my best Times are: Motor only: 6.44 1/8 @ 104.13 10.39 1/4 @ 125.83 Nitrous Times: 5.785 1/8 @ 118.65 with a 1.336 60ft 9.168 1/4 @ 142.58 with a 250 shot dead out of the hole!

10-18-2010, 10:03 PM	#5
1971ls1longbed Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Voorhees NJ Posts: 188	Re: New to BBC wow ok cool anything else. like i said im new to big block chevy so everything is new to me. what is the best cam setup for the street ex: hyd roller, mechanical, flat tappet, solid __________________ 1971 Custom 10 LWB. 461 BBC and built 700r4 to be transplanted 1997 C3500 DRW Ext cab. 454, 4L80E daily driver

10-18-2010, 11:47 PM	#6
ripdog28 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imperial Beach, CA Posts: 1,040	Re: New to BBC we need to know your budget then go from there. it adds up fast. imo buy one from vortecproengines.com if you only want to spend $5-6000. he is the best out there for the price. check out his reviews on chevelles.com. __________________ 69 c-10 BBC 462ci, forged crank, H-beam rods, 10.5-1 KB forged pistons, Dart Iron Eagle 308cc, Straub Cam, Comp Cams chrome moly full rollers, Weiand Team G, Prosystems 950, TH400/3500 Dalenzie stall, Currie 9+ Detroit Locker w/31spline axles.3.5/6in drop. My Build.

10-19-2010, 07:04 AM	#7
djracer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wetumpka, Al, U.S. Posts: 8,892	Re: New to BBC Hyd roller would be the best but not cheap. __________________ Kevin Special Thanks to All who have helped on the TRUCK! My Pass Time Show http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p...Chapter1-0.mp4 So Far my best Times are: Motor only: 6.44 1/8 @ 104.13 10.39 1/4 @ 125.83 Nitrous Times: 5.785 1/8 @ 118.65 with a 1.336 60ft 9.168 1/4 @ 142.58 with a 250 shot dead out of the hole!

10-19-2010, 11:30 PM	#8
1971ls1longbed Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Voorhees NJ Posts: 188	Re: New to BBC my budget is 4-5k and i know its not alot but im sure with the help u guys have given me i can put something together that will have me grinning ear to ear __________________ 1971 Custom 10 LWB. 461 BBC and built 700r4 to be transplanted 1997 C3500 DRW Ext cab. 454, 4L80E daily driver

10-20-2010, 12:14 AM	#9
ripdog28 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imperial Beach, CA Posts: 1,040	Re: New to BBC With that budget i guarantee you can not beat this deal. Vortechpro... The 468 at 9.1 with 570hp or 620hp for $5k __________________ 69 c-10 BBC 462ci, forged crank, H-beam rods, 10.5-1 KB forged pistons, Dart Iron Eagle 308cc, Straub Cam, Comp Cams chrome moly full rollers, Weiand Team G, Prosystems 950, TH400/3500 Dalenzie stall, Currie 9+ Detroit Locker w/31spline axles.3.5/6in drop. My Build.

10-20-2010, 01:28 AM	#10
1971ls1longbed Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Voorhees NJ Posts: 188	Re: New to BBC ripdog i just read ur build thread and i learned a lot and ur truck is absolutely wild. thanks for the link to vortec. that is exactly what im looking for __________________ 1971 Custom 10 LWB. 461 BBC and built 700r4 to be transplanted 1997 C3500 DRW Ext cab. 454, 4L80E daily driver

10-20-2010, 02:35 AM	#11
ripdog28 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imperial Beach, CA Posts: 1,040	Re: New to BBC Thanks for checking it out. Call up mark jones and he will plan it out with you. If I found him before building my engine I would have his 650hp 496. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ 69 c-10 BBC 462ci, forged crank, H-beam rods, 10.5-1 KB forged pistons, Dart Iron Eagle 308cc, Straub Cam, Comp Cams chrome moly full rollers, Weiand Team G, Prosystems 950, TH400/3500 Dalenzie stall, Currie 9+ Detroit Locker w/31spline axles.3.5/6in drop. My Build.

10-21-2010, 08:17 AM	#12
stich626 Account Suspended Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: hingham ma Posts: 1,721	Re: New to BBC 30 over 4 bolt forgeds crank/rods(7/16th arp bolts) if not h beam or i beam. strocker crank (489) good forged pistons (srp) and dart pro 1 heads and a nice hdy roller cam.. ( went solid roller) single plane intake. and a 850 d/p 500rwhp is alot, what you doing to the truck to make it hook..

10-21-2010, 10:06 PM	#14
gearys 5600 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: tulsa,ok Posts: 1,085	Re: New to BBC My 496 made more horsepower with brodix 2xtra cnc'd, over the pro 1's. My last bbc I built had cfe bmf cnc'd 385's, 582 c.i made 1115 hp single carb, no power adder. I really think the cfe heads are hard to beat for bbc horsepower. __________________ MY BUILD THREAD http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=423629 1969 custom/10 swb--SOLD 1968 swb 50th anniv.--SOLD 1967 camaro ss/rs..LS-6-speed, 16-year long project 1956 chevy nomad 1955 chevy 210 2-dr sedan 1978 el-camino ss 1-owner

10-21-2010, 12:54 PM	#19
prostreetC-10 My Carbon Footprint Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,527	Re: New to BBC For roughly 550 at the crank, gunna need heads as stated above. Get ya some AFR's....especially if you are going to stroke it. Challenge is going to be either hitting the HP target or the budget. Might be hard to do both. __________________ A quick "pedalfest" *Still getting loose (carb test)* 496 Initial fire up video!

10-22-2010, 07:11 PM	#20
prostreetC-10 My Carbon Footprint Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,527	Re: New to BBC Carl Foltz....BMF is their "budget" line of heads and they will run you over $3,000 for the pair. Overkill for what you are trying to build and attain. http://www.cferacing.com/ __________________ A quick "pedalfest" *Still getting loose (carb test)* 496 Initial fire up video!



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10-23-2010, 12:54 AM	#21
prostreetC-10 My Carbon Footprint Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,527	Re: New to BBC lol....1100 a PAIR not BARE!! __________________ A quick "pedalfest" *Still getting loose (carb test)* 496 Initial fire up video!

10-23-2010, 01:27 AM	#23
gearys 5600 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: tulsa,ok Posts: 1,085	Re: New to BBC Good luck on that.. __________________ MY BUILD THREAD http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=423629 1969 custom/10 swb--SOLD 1968 swb 50th anniv.--SOLD 1967 camaro ss/rs..LS-6-speed, 16-year long project 1956 chevy nomad 1955 chevy 210 2-dr sedan 1978 el-camino ss 1-owner

10-23-2010, 10:59 AM	#24
ripdog28 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imperial Beach, CA Posts: 1,040	Re: New to BBC You do not need Alum heads AFR/DART/Brodix to make 500-600-700 HP at the crank. I have seen plenty 700 hp 496 with worked over stock Iron heads. Just look at the link i posted earlier. My Iron heads have been used on 680 hp BBC with no work done to them and pump gas. Check out some builds by David Vizard. __________________ 69 c-10 BBC 462ci, forged crank, H-beam rods, 10.5-1 KB forged pistons, Dart Iron Eagle 308cc, Straub Cam, Comp Cams chrome moly full rollers, Weiand Team G, Prosystems 950, TH400/3500 Dalenzie stall, Currie 9+ Detroit Locker w/31spline axles.3.5/6in drop. My Build.

10-24-2010, 01:44 AM	#25
1971ls1longbed Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Voorhees NJ Posts: 188	Re: New to BBC so who makes a good set of cast iron heads __________________ 1971 Custom 10 LWB. 461 BBC and built 700r4 to be transplanted 1997 C3500 DRW Ext cab. 454, 4L80E daily driver

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