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**1971 GMC SHORTY** · 03-13-2015, 01:50 AM

Sold My Tilt Wheel On Ebay That Kevin Classic Looked at This Punks Told EBay I Sold Him A Van Tilt I Think Kevin Would Have Told Me I Had a Van Tilt This Punk Had My Tilt Over 4 Weeks And Now Opens A Case... WTH I had It In My 1971 GMC for Over 4-5 Years. I'm Lost For Words EGaY Rulled In His Favor

**joedoh** · 03-13-2015, 02:01 AM

I was reading about this on another forum, people are finding out they can get instant refunds and keep the item if they report the transaction to the id theft division of their cc company, essentially saying "someone who is not me used MY ebay account, MY email account, MY paypal account, and MY CC to buy something and have it shipped to MY address, but it wasnt me."

the protection against this is nothing, paypal reverses the charges instantly and does not require return because the owner of the CC/paypal/ebay account claims never to have ordered, paid for, or gotten it in the first place.

the only recourse is to sue, report the fraudulent claim to the local police and open a court case. fraud still is illegal, they are counting on someone not taking that option because of the distance. but even if you win a judgement, they may never pay it.

**VictoriaHardware** · 03-13-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by joedoh

I was reading about this on another forum, people are finding out they can get instant refunds and keep the item if they report the transaction to the id theft division of their cc company, essentially saying "someone who is not me used MY ebay account, MY email account, MY paypal account, and MY CC to buy something and have it shipped to MY address, but it wasnt me."

the protection against this is nothing, paypal reverses the charges instantly and does not require return because the owner of the CC/paypal/ebay account claims never to have ordered, paid for, or gotten it in the first place.

the only recourse is to sue, report the fraudulent claim to the local police and open a court case. fraud still is illegal, they are counting on someone not taking that option because of the distance. but even if you win a judgement, they may never pay it.

Does this happen only if the buyer paid with PayPal? Is the solution to require payment only by check or money order?

jonzcustomshop · 03-13-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VictoriaHardware

Does this happen only if the buyer paid with PayPal? Is the solution to require payment only by check or money order?

If I remember right ebay won't let you use anything but paypal anymore...

Indian113 · 03-13-2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop

If I remember right ebay won't let you use anything but paypal anymore...

That is what they want, but some people tell buyers NO paypal

**PGSigns** · 03-13-2015, 06:40 AM

I would show up on his door step and ask for it back. He has his money no reason you should not have your parts.
Jimmy

brokenspoke · 03-13-2015, 06:48 AM

Are you positive you didn't have a van tilt?

**Clyde65** · 03-13-2015, 08:11 AM

what is the difference between a van tilt and a truck tilt? Is the difference obvious ( I really do not know)

I have seen what Joedoh is talking about, its not new but it is getting more prevalent.

65chevysub · 03-13-2015, 08:24 AM

I know older van tilts had the ignition switch in the dash not on the column. Hope this helps

SS317 · 03-13-2015, 09:45 AM

Had a guy do the same thing to me with a phone, and EBay backed them. I swore off EBay forever, and I have bought and sold there for years. I'll find the deal on Ebay and call the vendor direct now. If they want my business they play ball, if not I find someone who likes money and play with them.
EBay sucks now, seller fees are high, no support for sellers, it's gone way downhill.

Lugnutz65 · 03-13-2015, 09:49 AM

Your only protection is to mail it INSURED and with SIGNATURE on delivery. I think the worst that could happen then is you'd have to file a claim for the insurance. Then the insurance company can investigate for fraud if they want.

LT1 Burb · 03-13-2015, 09:53 AM

What a dick!

**60-66** · 03-13-2015, 10:17 AM

Whats the guys user ID ? Don't just let this go. You need to fight it !!

toolboxchev · 09-20-2015, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 60-66

Whats the guys user ID ? Don't just let this go. You need to fight it !!

User ID may do you no good. Get the losers IP address, If you go after him and he used his cell phone and you are not in the wrong. The cops can find him by his IP address.

Seems like a lot to go through, but lets get the wrongy people outta here.

Jeff La · 03-13-2015, 02:15 PM

From what I have read, ebay has decided any disputes they side with the buyer. Buyers have discovered this and have now begun to dispute sales. It allows them to do exactly what happened. They retain the purchase with a refund. It's been a real problem with sellers lately.

**60-66** · 03-13-2015, 02:21 PM

Not 100% true. MOST disputes both party's get their stuff back. Its the credit card companies TAKING the money back that Ebay/PP has the problem with. Yes you are correct in that Ebay does side with the buyer 99% of the time, just like Walmart, anything can be returned . Its the scumbags that are screwing this up

dwcsr · 03-13-2015, 08:43 PM

I recently sold a gas tanks kit for a 69 Camaro for $550 plus the ride, The customer 2 months later say I changed the add and he really purchased a 67-68 tank and I switched the add. When that didn't work he started a not as described dispute and sent back only the tank without the pump and sender and mounting parts. Ebay sided with me so I didn't have to full refund him but also gave him a full refund plus shipping. Makes no sense to me.

Indian113 · 03-13-2015, 09:11 PM

I quit selling on Ebay after a buyer filed a complaint of " Wrong or Bad Misleading Add" I sold him some MC parts and he shipped back wrecked and bent ones . Ebay put a hold on my Paypal and refunded his money and I ended up with JUNK parts. I buy once in awhile but I'll never SELL again.

'65 chevy lover · 03-13-2015, 11:04 PM

Ever since Ebay changed it to where you couldn't give a buyer a negative feedback, I quit selling or buying. Had a guy win a bid for some music equipment then, decide he didn't want it. @ZZhole posted negative feedback after I tried to collect. F--k ebay!

**396ci** · 03-14-2015, 10:04 AM

i have limited my selling on ebay due to the fees. i have been fortunate to not have a buyer file a false claim. everything i ship is insured for loss or damage. seems like a sign of the times and a loophole that buyers are using these days. thats why i love this forum! dealt with a lot of quality people here (both buying and selling).

**special-K** · 03-31-2015, 10:28 PM

You can't buy anything on Ebay w/o using PayPal anymore. I have never used PayPal, always contacted seller, askied if they'd accept a postal m.o. first, then bid. Now you can't complete the transaction w/o first giving PayPal info. I have tried and no dice.

Give us his ID.

**1971 GMC SHORTY** · 04-05-2015, 02:06 PM

Update: Got The Colum Back This dude is a Rather not Say.. Column not even what I Shipped
He states it was. Top Body Dented Shifter Bent Bad Bowl Shifter Was The Give Away This one is oblong Mine was Nice and Tight. Neutral safety switch is a Vav and not what I sent from a truck!
Ebay Matched Pictures what I Posted and What He Sent Back I Got My Money Refuned and Got a Bent Up Up Van Tilt so if anyone Needs Parts

**fine69** · 04-10-2015, 10:19 AM

I still buy a little on Ebay. But quit selling years ago. The fee's are too much. And it is too time consuming to list stuff. That and the issues listed here. That whole "oh crap i have to pay for what i bid on" mentality pisses me off. Ebay used to be fun. Not so much anymore.

LostMy65 · 09-21-2015, 09:51 AM

EBay has ripped me off more than once. Both as a buyer and a seller.
I haven't been on there for more than a year, and won't ever again.

BCOWANWHEELS · 09-26-2015, 12:13 AM

Yep ebay got me too, got a good education on ebay "and" paypal. Never again..............

03-13-2015, 01:50 AM	#1
1971 GMC SHORTY Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SAN FERNANDO VALLE SOL CAL Posts: 1,064	Got Ripped Off Beware Sold My Tilt Wheel On Ebay That Kevin Classic Looked at This Punks Told EBay I Sold Him A Van Tilt I Think Kevin Would Have Told Me I Had a Van Tilt This Punk Had My Tilt Over 4 Weeks And Now Opens A Case... WTH I had It In My 1971 GMC for Over 4-5 Years. I'm Lost For Words EGaY Rulled In His Favor Attached Images __________________ 1966 GMC K25 V6 351E Original Utility Truck 2000 C3500 Hot Rod Utility Truck 2003 ROAD KING 100th 124ci 6 Speed 145CI M/P Pro Street FXR 2002 FXDP 2007 2500HD DURAMAX. DD Studio Teamsters / Mechanic Retired GM Master Tech 20 Years Retired Ford Tech 15 Years

03-13-2015, 02:01 AM	#2
joedoh Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Doodah Kansas Posts: 7,774	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware I was reading about this on another forum, people are finding out they can get instant refunds and keep the item if they report the transaction to the id theft division of their cc company, essentially saying "someone who is not me used MY ebay account, MY email account, MY paypal account, and MY CC to buy something and have it shipped to MY address, but it wasnt me." the protection against this is nothing, paypal reverses the charges instantly and does not require return because the owner of the CC/paypal/ebay account claims never to have ordered, paid for, or gotten it in the first place. the only recourse is to sue, report the fraudulent claim to the local police and open a court case. fraud still is illegal, they are counting on someone not taking that option because of the distance. but even if you win a judgement, they may never pay it. __________________ the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation if there is a problem, I can have it. new project WAYNE http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=844393

03-13-2015, 06:40 AM	#6
PGSigns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hayes Va Posts: 4,569	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware I would show up on his door step and ask for it back. He has his money no reason you should not have your parts. Jimmy __________________ 60 to 66 Chevy and GMC window decals http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=661131 Good friends, good food and a hotrod what else do you need? 1966 BBW long fleet Daily driver 1965 BBW short fleet Sold and going to a good home 1965 Suburban 2003 3500 Duramax 2005 Ultra Classic

03-13-2015, 06:48 AM	#7
brokenspoke Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Anderson, Texas Posts: 535	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Are you positive you didn't have a van tilt?

03-13-2015, 08:11 AM	#8
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,546	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware what is the difference between a van tilt and a truck tilt? Is the difference obvious ( I really do not know) I have seen what Joedoh is talking about, its not new but it is getting more prevalent. __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

03-13-2015, 08:24 AM	#9
65chevysub Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Cottonwood, Arizona Posts: 1,382	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware I know older van tilts had the ignition switch in the dash not on the column. Hope this helps

03-13-2015, 09:45 AM	#10
SS317 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fruita, Colorado Posts: 222	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Had a guy do the same thing to me with a phone, and EBay backed them. I swore off EBay forever, and I have bought and sold there for years. I'll find the deal on Ebay and call the vendor direct now. If they want my business they play ball, if not I find someone who likes money and play with them. EBay sucks now, seller fees are high, no support for sellers, it's gone way downhill. __________________ 1966 Chevy C-10 350 Engine 700R4

03-13-2015, 09:49 AM	#11
Lugnutz65 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,927	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Your only protection is to mail it INSURED and with SIGNATURE on delivery. I think the worst that could happen then is you'd have to file a claim for the insurance. Then the insurance company can investigate for fraud if they want. __________________ My 65 C10 build: www.lugnutz65chevystepside.weebly.com Want to know more about T5 transmissions? My website has a T5 Info Page and a Step by Step T5 rebuild.

03-13-2015, 09:53 AM	#12
LT1 Burb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Winchester Oregon, formerly Vancouver BC Posts: 2,949	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware What a dick!

03-13-2015, 10:17 AM	#13
60-66 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,329	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Whats the guys user ID ? Don't just let this go. You need to fight it !! __________________ IS IT an EATON or Chevrolet rear axle https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=843778 The hubcap thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=702839 WANTED : 1963-1966 6 Cylinder Fan Shroud WANTED :1964-1966 PANEL TRUCK

03-13-2015, 02:15 PM	#15
Jeff La Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Donaldsonville, La. Posts: 1,024	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware From what I have read, ebay has decided any disputes they side with the buyer. Buyers have discovered this and have now begun to dispute sales. It allows them to do exactly what happened. They retain the purchase with a refund. It's been a real problem with sellers lately.

03-13-2015, 02:21 PM	#16
60-66 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,329	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Not 100% true. MOST disputes both party's get their stuff back. Its the credit card companies TAKING the money back that Ebay/PP has the problem with. Yes you are correct in that Ebay does side with the buyer 99% of the time, just like Walmart, anything can be returned . Its the scumbags that are screwing this up __________________ IS IT an EATON or Chevrolet rear axle https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=843778 The hubcap thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=702839 WANTED : 1963-1966 6 Cylinder Fan Shroud WANTED :1964-1966 PANEL TRUCK

03-13-2015, 08:43 PM	#17
dwcsr Hollister Road Co. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 6,131	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware I recently sold a gas tanks kit for a 69 Camaro for $550 plus the ride, The customer 2 months later say I changed the add and he really purchased a 67-68 tank and I switched the add. When that didn't work he started a not as described dispute and sent back only the tank without the pump and sender and mounting parts. Ebay sided with me so I didn't have to full refund him but also gave him a full refund plus shipping. Makes no sense to me.

03-13-2015, 09:11 PM	#18
Indian113 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Monroe,Iowa Posts: 4,370	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware I quit selling on Ebay after a buyer filed a complaint of " Wrong or Bad Misleading Add" I sold him some MC parts and he shipped back wrecked and bent ones . Ebay put a hold on my Paypal and refunded his money and I ended up with JUNK parts. I buy once in awhile but I'll never SELL again.

03-13-2015, 11:04 PM	#19
'65 chevy lover Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ft. Worth, Tx Posts: 536	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Ever since Ebay changed it to where you couldn't give a buyer a negative feedback, I quit selling or buying. Had a guy win a bid for some music equipment then, decide he didn't want it. @ZZhole posted negative feedback after I tried to collect. F--k ebay!



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03-14-2015, 10:04 AM	#20
396ci Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 806	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware i have limited my selling on ebay due to the fees. i have been fortunate to not have a buyer file a false claim. everything i ship is insured for loss or damage. seems like a sign of the times and a loophole that buyers are using these days. thats why i love this forum! dealt with a lot of quality people here (both buying and selling). __________________ Brian XNGH ECV Chapter 58 1972 Jimmy / Blazer Project 2wd 1974 Chevy Crew Cab Shorty

03-31-2015, 10:28 PM	#21
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware You can't buy anything on Ebay w/o using PayPal anymore. I have never used PayPal, always contacted seller, askied if they'd accept a postal m.o. first, then bid. Now you can't complete the transaction w/o first giving PayPal info. I have tried and no dice. Give us his ID. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

04-05-2015, 02:06 PM	#22
1971 GMC SHORTY Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SAN FERNANDO VALLE SOL CAL Posts: 1,064	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Update: Got The Colum Back This dude is a Rather not Say.. Column not even what I Shipped He states it was. Top Body Dented Shifter Bent Bad Bowl Shifter Was The Give Away This one is oblong Mine was Nice and Tight. Neutral safety switch is a Vav and not what I sent from a truck! Ebay Matched Pictures what I Posted and What He Sent Back I Got My Money Refuned and Got a Bent Up Up Van Tilt so if anyone Needs Parts __________________ 1966 GMC K25 V6 351E Original Utility Truck 2000 C3500 Hot Rod Utility Truck 2003 ROAD KING 100th 124ci 6 Speed 145CI M/P Pro Street FXR 2002 FXDP 2007 2500HD DURAMAX. DD Studio Teamsters / Mechanic Retired GM Master Tech 20 Years Retired Ford Tech 15 Years

04-10-2015, 10:19 AM	#23
fine69 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Urbana,Ohio,USA Posts: 4,618	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware I still buy a little on Ebay. But quit selling years ago. The fee's are too much. And it is too time consuming to list stuff. That and the issues listed here. That whole "oh crap i have to pay for what i bid on" mentality pisses me off. Ebay used to be fun. Not so much anymore. __________________ 2008 Chevy HHR 1/2 panel. 1949 Chevy Panel truck(just sittin, waiting) Board member #6

09-21-2015, 09:51 AM	#24
LostMy65 But Found Her 25yrs Later! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 10,530	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware EBay has ripped me off more than once. Both as a buyer and a seller. I haven't been on there for more than a year, and won't ever again. __________________ I lost my 65 - Found it 25 years later: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=426650 66 C20 Service Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=428035

09-26-2015, 12:13 AM	#25
BCOWANWHEELS Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: KINGSPORT,TN. Posts: 3,035	Re: Got Ripped Off Beware Yep ebay got me too, got a good education on ebay "and" paypal. Never again.............. __________________ I BELIEVE IN JOHN 3:16

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