L83 GEN 5 Swap - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

71meangreenc10 · 03-11-2018, 07:42 PM

Picked up a near new Gen 5 with a 8spd auto. It is a drop out so I don't have access to any of the vehicle stuff. How much of a pain in the rear is this swap? I was thinking of putting in the Motor Home. Should I take it on or chuck it for a 6.0? I have the harness ECM, TCM is in the mail. Do not know about the fuel module if it is there. Going to do the 4.8 swap into the Blazer first to get the hang of it.

Thoughts? Advice?

Smitty

**Clyde65** · 03-11-2018, 08:57 PM

It is nothing like a typical 6.0 swap.

You will need everything the LS needs and some, either use an electric power steering or you will have to change the front accessory mounts. Also, headers are about $1k and you will need them. Vacuum pump will likely need removed, there is a sensor on the DS of the intake next to the TB, drill and tap it.
So you know...on e85, these l83’s have 410hp and 400 tq. They can be awesome but swapping is not easy.

chris1htx · 03-22-2018, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Clyde65

It is nothing like a typical 6.0 swap.

You will need everything the LS needs and some, either use an electric power steering or you will have to change the front accessory mounts. Also, headers are about $1k and you will need them. Vacuum pump will likely need removed, there is a sensor on the DS of the intake next to the TB, drill and tap it.
So you know...on e85, these l83’s have 410hp and 400 tq. They can be awesome but swapping is not easy.

Stupid question here, what does the vacuum pump do? And could it be used?

71meangreenc10 · 03-11-2018, 10:08 PM

Thanks Clyde,

Got a great deal on this, but it could consume more than it is worth.

Smitty

howell57 · 09-22-2018, 01:32 PM

Doing the same. Just bought a 2018 L83 with 6 speed auto with 2 miles on it. Have tons of contacts so far as to who to do harness, fuel tank, motor mounts, trans mount and best way to add p/s. Bummer, I can't use the AC unit with Vintage Air.

vannatta20 · 09-22-2018, 06:59 PM

I am using the factory gen v compressor on my swap problem free. It is a variable displacement but I wire it up do disable that. 10000 miles with cold ac in my Tahoe.

howell57 · 09-22-2018, 07:03 PM

I was told that you are "The Man" for L83 and as soon as I get my engine I will be taking harness off and sending it to you as per our conversation this week.
Statement about AC was conversation I had with Vintage Air.

This is going to be a "Learning Curve" for me!

Trackman101 · 03-11-2018, 10:26 PM

There are more and more parts coming out everyday for a gen5 swap. Might cost a bit more than a LS swap but you would have something unique for a while. My LT4 conversion is just about complete and I haven't ran into anything particularly tough yet to sort out.
I'd suggest tracking down the fuel module and a pump any you will be well on your way.

71meangreenc10 · 03-11-2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trackman101

There are more and more parts coming out everyday for a gen5 swap. Might cost a bit more than a LS swap but you would have something unique for a while. My LT4 conversion is just about complete and I haven't ran into anything particularly tough yet to sort out.
I'd suggest tracking down the fuel module and a pump any you will be well on your way.

Who did your harness and PCM flash? I'd probably have to find a module, pump wouldn't be that tough. Did you have to put on a new pan?

Smitty

Trackman101 · 03-12-2018, 10:05 AM

I went the easy way and purchased a GM connect and cruise motor. It has the harness and fuel module in the kit. The stock manifolds and the deep pan fit no problem into my 71. The oil cooler on the side of the pan did have to come off.There are lots of guys who could remote tune it for you.I could put you in touch with a few names.

71meangreenc10 · 03-12-2018, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trackman101

I went the easy way and purchased a GM connect and cruise motor. It has the harness and fuel module in the kit. The stock manifolds and the deep pan fit no problem into my 71. The oil cooler on the side of the pan did have to come off.There are lots of guys who could remote tune it for you.I could put you in touch with a few names.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Smitty

**Clyde65** · 03-13-2018, 12:56 PM

On the time. The VATs has two spots that need deleted out. I sent my pcm back twice and still had to get a local guy to fix it.

vannatta20 · 03-13-2018, 11:33 PM

I have down quite a few gen v swaps. They can be wonderful or a nightmare. First you need to fit the engine and adapt a power steering pump. Next you need to find a harness or get yours modded. I do mod them if interested. Once it is all in you need a fuel system. A standard fuel ls system will work fine. After that you need it programmed. Deleting the security sytem will get it running but not always driveable. Only certain computer os will work on a swap. 8 speeds are much harder to get working than a 6speed. I have only had about 3 successful 8 speed swaps. If you have the orginal tcm for The 8 speed it should work. I can test both computers at my work before hand. If you get everything working together you can get performance like this...

https://youtu.be/uj078sfLnhs

71meangreenc10 · 03-18-2018, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vannatta20

I have down quite a few gen v swaps. They can be wonderful or a nightmare. First you need to fit the engine and adapt a power steering pump. Next you need to find a harness or get yours modded. I do mod them if interested. Once it is all in you need a fuel system. A standard fuel ls system will work fine. After that you need it programmed. Deleting the security sytem will get it running but not always driveable. Only certain computer os will work on a swap. 8 speeds are much harder to get working than a 6speed. I have only had about 3 successful 8 speed swaps. If you have the orginal tcm for The 8 speed it should work. I can test both computers at my work before hand. If you get everything working together you can get performance like this...

https://youtu.be/uj078sfLnhs

I have a company doing my harness and reflashing the ECM and TCM. I do have both CPU's. What is your experience with the fuel system? Do you need to use the higher fuel pressure pumps?

Smitty

howell57 · 09-19-2018, 05:56 PM

Just got a new L83 with 6 speed and I think my local shop is going to need your help. Can I get a contact number for your business?

TKX

Mel Rich

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vannatta20 · 09-19-2018, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by howell57

Just got a new L83 with 6 speed and I think my local shop is going to need your help. Can I get a contact number for your business?

TKX

Mel Rich

Message meant for "Vannatta20"

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Mitch

howell57 · 09-27-2018, 09:06 PM

Got engine today and will be calling you Friday to discuss wiring harness and computer.

TKX

Gpballa · 03-18-2019, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vannatta20

I have down quite a few gen v swaps. They can be wonderful or a nightmare. First you need to fit the engine and adapt a power steering pump. Next you need to find a harness or get yours modded. I do mod them if interested. Once it is all in you need a fuel system. A standard fuel ls system will work fine. After that you need it programmed. Deleting the security sytem will get it running but not always driveable. Only certain computer os will work on a swap. 8 speeds are much harder to get working than a 6speed. I have only had about 3 successful 8 speed swaps. If you have the orginal tcm for The 8 speed it should work. I can test both computers at my work before hand. If you get everything working together you can get performance like this...

https://youtu.be/uj078sfLnhs

Are you still doing the gen v’s?
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vannatta20 · 03-18-2019, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gpballa

Are you still doing the gen v’s?
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Yes I am. Please pm for my contact info

GreyGhost85 · 03-29-2019, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vannatta20

Yes I am. Please pm for my contact info

Are you making your own harness or purchasing a standalone?

Dmarkmc · 04-18-2019, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vannatta20

I have down quite a few gen v swaps. They can be wonderful or a nightmare. First you need to fit the engine and adapt a power steering pump. Next you need to find a harness or get yours modded. I do mod them if interested. Once it is all in you need a fuel system. A standard fuel ls system will work fine. After that you need it programmed. Deleting the security sytem will get it running but not always driveable. Only certain computer os will work on a swap. 8 speeds are much harder to get working than a 6speed. I have only had about 3 successful 8 speed swaps. If you have the orginal tcm for The 8 speed it should work. I can test both computers at my work before hand. If you get everything working together you can get performance like this...

https://youtu.be/uj078sfLnhs

Vannatta20 - what have you used for gas pedals on your C10 swaps? I've got the factory 2015 truck pedal that came with my motor but I sure don't see a very good way to mount it. Any input would be appreciated!

**Clyde65** · 03-14-2018, 02:45 PM

One thing I found out is, be sure you get the same year trans as the pcm/motor. My motor and pcm is 2015, the trans I found out is a 2013 and has a different OS, so I need the TCM flashed with proper OS.

Your right Vannatta20, these can be a real cool setup( definitely hoping for this!) or a real nightmare.

vannatta20 · 03-22-2018, 03:00 PM

The vacuum pump is give a constant supply of vacuum to the booster. When DOD is activated you lose some vacuum that will affect pedal feel. If not using DOD (4 cylinder mode) then you can delete the pump with some block of plugs.part number 11546665.

Also if you are not using a oil cooler block it off with this part number

12630766 oil cover
12623359 oil cover gasket

71meangreenc10 · 03-22-2018, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vannatta20

The vacuum pump is give a constant supply of vacuum to the booster. When DOD is activated you lose some vacuum that will affect pedal feel. If not using DOD (4 cylinder mode) then you can delete the pump with some block of plugs.part number 11546665.

Also if you are not using a oil cooler block it off with this part number

12630766 oil cover
12623359 oil cover gasket

Great info.
Keep posting more as it will only help me out. I found a company that possibly can do my Cruise Control, just got to find out what pedal to use. Also have to figure out the fuel source. I picked up the new Dakota Digital so that will run the dash. I have an original TCM.

Smitty

vannatta20 · 03-22-2018, 10:23 PM

For cruise use a rostra unit.

https://www.amazon.com/Rostra-250-96.../dp/B01G7QRB5C

Thats what i do.

03-11-2018, 07:42 PM	#1
71meangreenc10 Its a Truck Thing...... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Posts: 3,179	L83 GEN 5 Swap Picked up a near new Gen 5 with a 8spd auto. It is a drop out so I don't have access to any of the vehicle stuff. How much of a pain in the rear is this swap? I was thinking of putting in the Motor Home. Should I take it on or chuck it for a 6.0? I have the harness ECM, TCM is in the mail. Do not know about the fuel module if it is there. Going to do the 4.8 swap into the Blazer first to get the hang of it. Thoughts? Advice? Smitty __________________ 71 C10 283/3SPD Full Resto 71 GMC 1500 Sierra Grande http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=518599 70 C10 Suburban Former military GSA truck. 72 Chevy Blazer 4X4, Sloppy Jo, Mountain Climber. Wife says no more trucks. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=707378 72 GMC 1 Ton Motor Home, wife said no more trucks until she saw this one. Gen 3 6.0/4L80E 4.10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=761110 68 GMC Suburban was 3/4 ton, now 1/2.Wife shook her head 71 C30 Wrecker 71 C20 Scott-Bilt As weird as it gets..BB Cheyenne AC Truck 68 GMC Long Stepside. They keep following me home 69 C30 Former Motor Home, Flat Bed time 70 G20 Red-E-Kamp Conversion "I'm your Boogy Van"

03-11-2018, 08:57 PM	#2
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,546	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap It is nothing like a typical 6.0 swap. You will need everything the LS needs and some, either use an electric power steering or you will have to change the front accessory mounts. Also, headers are about $1k and you will need them. Vacuum pump will likely need removed, there is a sensor on the DS of the intake next to the TB, drill and tap it. So you know...on e85, these l83’s have 410hp and 400 tq. They can be awesome but swapping is not easy. __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

03-11-2018, 10:08 PM	#4
71meangreenc10 Its a Truck Thing...... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Posts: 3,179	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap Thanks Clyde, Got a great deal on this, but it could consume more than it is worth. Smitty __________________ 71 C10 283/3SPD Full Resto 71 GMC 1500 Sierra Grande http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=518599 70 C10 Suburban Former military GSA truck. 72 Chevy Blazer 4X4, Sloppy Jo, Mountain Climber. Wife says no more trucks. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=707378 72 GMC 1 Ton Motor Home, wife said no more trucks until she saw this one. Gen 3 6.0/4L80E 4.10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=761110 68 GMC Suburban was 3/4 ton, now 1/2.Wife shook her head 71 C30 Wrecker 71 C20 Scott-Bilt As weird as it gets..BB Cheyenne AC Truck 68 GMC Long Stepside. They keep following me home 69 C30 Former Motor Home, Flat Bed time 70 G20 Red-E-Kamp Conversion "I'm your Boogy Van"

09-22-2018, 01:32 PM	#5
howell57 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Redding, Calif. Posts: 101	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap Doing the same. Just bought a 2018 L83 with 6 speed auto with 2 miles on it. Have tons of contacts so far as to who to do harness, fuel tank, motor mounts, trans mount and best way to add p/s. Bummer, I can't use the AC unit with Vintage Air.

09-22-2018, 06:59 PM	#6
vannatta20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 291	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap I am using the factory gen v compressor on my swap problem free. It is a variable displacement but I wire it up do disable that. 10000 miles with cold ac in my Tahoe.

09-22-2018, 07:03 PM	#7
howell57 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Redding, Calif. Posts: 101	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap I was told that you are "The Man" for L83 and as soon as I get my engine I will be taking harness off and sending it to you as per our conversation this week. Statement about AC was conversation I had with Vintage Air. This is going to be a "Learning Curve" for me!

03-11-2018, 10:26 PM	#8
Trackman101 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Alberta Posts: 161	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap There are more and more parts coming out everyday for a gen5 swap. Might cost a bit more than a LS swap but you would have something unique for a while. My LT4 conversion is just about complete and I haven't ran into anything particularly tough yet to sort out. I'd suggest tracking down the fuel module and a pump any you will be well on your way.

03-12-2018, 10:05 AM	#10
Trackman101 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Alberta Posts: 161	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap I went the easy way and purchased a GM connect and cruise motor. It has the harness and fuel module in the kit. The stock manifolds and the deep pan fit no problem into my 71. The oil cooler on the side of the pan did have to come off.There are lots of guys who could remote tune it for you.I could put you in touch with a few names.

03-13-2018, 12:56 PM	#12
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,546	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap On the time. The VATs has two spots that need deleted out. I sent my pcm back twice and still had to get a local guy to fix it. __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

03-13-2018, 11:33 PM	#13
vannatta20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 291	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap I have down quite a few gen v swaps. They can be wonderful or a nightmare. First you need to fit the engine and adapt a power steering pump. Next you need to find a harness or get yours modded. I do mod them if interested. Once it is all in you need a fuel system. A standard fuel ls system will work fine. After that you need it programmed. Deleting the security sytem will get it running but not always driveable. Only certain computer os will work on a swap. 8 speeds are much harder to get working than a 6speed. I have only had about 3 successful 8 speed swaps. If you have the orginal tcm for The 8 speed it should work. I can test both computers at my work before hand. If you get everything working together you can get performance like this... https://youtu.be/uj078sfLnhs

09-19-2018, 05:56 PM	#15
howell57 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Redding, Calif. Posts: 101	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap Just got a new L83 with 6 speed and I think my local shop is going to need your help. Can I get a contact number for your business? TKX Mel Rich Message meant for "Vannatta20"

09-27-2018, 09:06 PM	#17
howell57 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Redding, Calif. Posts: 101	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap Got engine today and will be calling you Friday to discuss wiring harness and computer. TKX

03-14-2018, 02:45 PM	#22
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,546	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap One thing I found out is, be sure you get the same year trans as the pcm/motor. My motor and pcm is 2015, the trans I found out is a 2013 and has a different OS, so I need the TCM flashed with proper OS. Your right Vannatta20, these can be a real cool setup( definitely hoping for this!) or a real nightmare. __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

03-22-2018, 03:00 PM	#23
vannatta20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 291	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap The vacuum pump is give a constant supply of vacuum to the booster. When DOD is activated you lose some vacuum that will affect pedal feel. If not using DOD (4 cylinder mode) then you can delete the pump with some block of plugs.part number 11546665. Also if you are not using a oil cooler block it off with this part number 12630766 oil cover 12623359 oil cover gasket

03-22-2018, 10:23 PM	#25
vannatta20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 291	Re: L83 GEN 5 Swap For cruise use a rostra unit. https://www.amazon.com/Rostra-250-96.../dp/B01G7QRB5C Thats what i do.



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