gas welding vs mig

[pimpston65]

has anyone used gas welding with this welding for 18g panels as well as mig welding. i have very long sections to weld, and most have no access to the backside. so my issue is distortion control. so the question is, does gas welding do a better job for my application? thanks for replies...

[The Rocknrod]

I would use a MIG 1/8" at a time and a wet rag on it fast after the stitch. Then move to a different area & repeat. May take longer but less distortion.

[vin63]

Depending on the panel and location, I either TIG weld it with silicon bronze wire, or MIG weld it with .035, or thinner wire.

[LT1 Burb]

I mig with .023 wire and never run a bead, spot only.

[SkinnyG]

I have one of those torches at work, and I've played with it a bit. It claims to cut like plasma and weld like TIG. I was not impressed; I didn't find it any different.

Gas welding body panels together might be a better way to go than MIG, because the weld is annealed in the process, which should make hammering the weld out easier.

But you also run the risk of putting too much heat into the panel and having to deal with that.

Search up gas welding bodywork videos on Youtube and see if it's your cup of tea.

I'm not very good at it, honestly. I usually MIG.

[mongocanfly]

I used my mig with .023 wire...using the spot method I had no real issues....
MP&C has a slick little gas welder setup...

[MP&C]

Originally Posted by pimpston65

has anyone used gas welding with this welding for 18g panels as well as mig welding. i have very long sections to weld, and most have no access to the backside. so my issue is distortion control. so the question is, does gas welding do a better job for my application? thanks for replies...

If you can do a no-filler fusion weld, the OA or Tig does a nice job, but I think gravity helps any welding on a horizontal plane to sag a bit, looking like an undercut. Once planished, it will tend to fill in any voids that you should see a fairly flat panel, both front and back, requiring little to no filing/grinding. The caveat here is that you absolutely need access to the rear side to be able to planish.


What areas are you welding that do not have rear access?

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by MP&C

If you can do a no-filler fusion weld, the OA or Tig does a nice job, but I think gravity helps any welding on a horizontal plane to sag a bit, looking like an undercut. Once planished, it will tend to fill in any voids that you should see a fairly flat panel, both front and back, requiring little to no filing/grinding. The caveat here is that you absolutely need access to the rear side to be able to planish.


What areas are you welding that do not have rear access?

the rear quarter on my suburban, both sides

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by pimpston65

the rear quarter on my suburban, both sides

i have my mig setup for great welding, i just wanted to try another type of welding. thank you all for the input!!!

[MP&C]

You’re likely going to need planishing no matter the weld method, to remove the distortion. We’ve used long armed, double jointed, limber guys on the inside with a dolly and another on the outside with the hammer. Some light taps will find the dolly, then a couple good raps to stretch that weld back out, move on to the next.

[Stormin08]

i agree with the above mention of TIG. reason being, the filler is generally softer. what this leads to is...on a hot day, the filler will move with the panels.

i can always see a panel seam when done with GMAW or Oxy Fuel.

rarely does any DIY'er hammer finish the weld joint.

[franken]

Originally Posted by pimpston65

has anyone used gas welding with this welding for 18g panels as well as mig welding.

No outer body panels are 18 gauge. More like 20. You and anyone else can get a caliper and measure.
Gas is less hot than arc, but regardless, you need to planish and on a fleet bed, you can't. You need really tight/cloe fit to do good gas welding, and actually want pretty close fit w/ mig/tig. Long ago, people would gas weld and planish while the weld was still red hot (hammer weld). This knocks down the weld and expands the weld that would be shrunk by the heat. It seams this was done with filler rod.

[Getter-Done]

pimpston65



. How is your project going?
Lot's of good idea's that was shared
in this thread you started. Thanks
I got a few idea's from this.




.

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by Getter-Done

pimpston65



. How is your project going?
Lot's of good idea's that was shared
in this thread you started. Thanks
I got a few idea's from this.




.

its going well. im working on the complete floor pan and maybe i'll switch the firewall or patch areas of rust, at least i havent needed to much in the way of tools to get it done. finding the time is the major issue. i work alot to pay the bills and not much time for the truck, but its moving along and should have a roller soon.

[Getter-Done]

Great news.
Bills are first.
Then truck project is next to release the stress.
Keep us updated.
Have you started a build thread?

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by Getter-Done

Great news.
Bills are first.
Then truck project is next to release the stress.
Keep us updated.
Have you started a build thread?

so true. i have one called "finally come" should have read finally came but i rushing and cant change the name...

[PGSigns]

When I first learned to do panel repair I was helping a guy build model A's. Everything was gas welded. What I was taught was gas welding and doing it stitch and hammer. Seams were all but welded a 1/2" or so at a time and hamered when hot. Move down a foot and do it again. Once done the weld was cleaned up out came the torch and a wet rag to work the seam back flat. Same thing can be done with a mig gun and .023 wire and stich welding. Then heat and shrink. It takes practice. Google shrinking disc and watch some videos.
Jimmy