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09-30-2019, 11:15 PM | #1 |
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Help me on engine code
The 454 in my k30 has the prefix CFS followed by the vin that matches the truck. I can't find CFS anywhere on the internet. Can someone help? The reason I ask is because I have the truck for sale locally and a buyer thinks the truck was originally an automatic instead of the 4 speed that's in it now. I'm not sure and I need to know what I'm selling. Thanks!
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10-01-2019, 09:00 AM | #2 |
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Re: Help me on engine code
Post a pic of the pad.
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What year truck? Also do you mean vehicle VIN or engine VIN?
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Here's a picture of the pad and the vin plate on the dash. I know it's the original engine to the truck, but I'm wanting to know if it was originally an automatic or manual. The suffix CFS would tell that info, but I can't find that code anywhere?
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The engine code letters will be a suffix (the last digits) not a prefix (the first digits). The SM465 transmission ID is stamped on the rear face of the transmission case, below the rear retainer.
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Maybe I'm dumb and missed something obvious, but why are we looking at the motor to figure out whether it was a manual or automatic instead of RPO codes in the glovebox?
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Is it hydraulic clutch or mechanical? If its mechanical the z-bar bracket on the frame under the driver's side floorboard should be rivited to the frame. Post some pictures of the truck and setup- that will help immensely with determining if it was swapped or not.
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Do you have a quadrajet carb?
The carb number and drivers side linkage can indicate trans type. That CFS isn’t a suffix code. Where is that pad located? |
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Yes Q jet on a performer intake, but the carb is from a 1980 454, not original to the truck. The pad is a machined part of the block, where the pass side head and block meet, right behind the alternator. The stamped VIN on the pad looks a little hokey to me, I'm guessing the CFS code may be a warranty block? I owned BBC chevelle with a warranty block and it was stamped CE. Is there a VIN on a manual truck transmission? If so where would I look?
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Looking closer I see it’s the right pad. A suffix would be further left on the pad.
I too had a bbc with the CE code. It was a warranty LS6 block. Original had 3 bad pistons. What trans? |
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the truck has the sm465, the CE chevelle had a muncie
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10-02-2019, 12:39 AM | #15 |
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Oh well, if it was converted to a manual someone did a very nice job! I'll poke around on the truck this weekend and see if I can come up with anything. Thanks all for the help.
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There might be a pad on the trans somewhere with a partial vin.
I know m21 and m22’s had one. Exactly where I can’t remember. What makes this buyer think it was an automatic? There’s a lot of stuff needed to change trans. Steering column, wiring, brackets etc. |
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That IS a lot to change out and this truck even has a tilt wheel. I've owned a bunch of square bodies and this is the only tilt / 4 speed combo I've come across. I have no idea where the buyer got the idea it was originally an automatic, probably trying to buy it for less.
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Spid in glovebox isn’t always the one that came with the truck. You can buy repro ones. And glove box doors can easily be swapped.
Suffix codes and vin stamps on the motor are much more accurate. Harder to fake. And not normally re-stamped. I don’t think the op is concerned with the buyer bs, he just wants to know for himself. Are you enjoying the snow SKR? |
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Every engine code that starts with CF, that I can find, are small block codes. No CFS as you mentioned. Can you get the block casting numbers off the side of the engine, which could help narrow it down some.
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C = Chevrolet F= 1985 Model year S = St Louis assembly plant 117369 = sequential portion of VIN Hatzie is absolutely correct. K
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Email the VIN to GM customer service.
They'll send you a PDF in a couple days with a detailed list of factory installed options. ---------------form email--------------- Email to: socialmedia@gm.com Subject: Build sheet request Hello, I read that I could request a build sheet on the 67-72 Chevy Truck Forums. I'm hoping you can provide me with a build sheet for My GM Light Truck. 1985, Chevrolet, K30, VIN: 1GCHK34W3FS117369 Thank you, ---------------------------------------------------
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Thanks for the link, I'll try the GM email thing or you can if you want? Had a few minutes tonight and took these pictures. I'm sure I didn't find the right place on the trans for the VIN, but here's the characters I saw. The spid and my buyer are both gone, just wanna know for sure what I'm selling so I can answer the next buyer's questions.
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Decode is from the 1985-1987 GM Light Truck parts books.
Truck VIN:1GCHK34W3FS117369 1= USA build G= GM C=Chevrolet H=9,001-10,000lb brakes & suspension K=Reg cab 4WD 3=30 series (1-ton) 4=2 door cab W=LE8 7.4L 4bbl V8 3=checksum digit F=1985 S=St Louis 117369 is the production sequence number Engine VIN:CFS117369 C= Chevrolet FS117369 Matches last 8 of vehicle VIN. The three letter 1985 7.4L engine suffix codes will not tell you any more than the VIN. I looked up the ones listed in the parts books. All you can find out is they were the LE8 RPO in a 3/4 or 1-ton chassis trucks... VIN W... The alphanumeric prefix to the three letter engine code would be the build date... again not terribly informative. Transmission ID code:N5P24 N=4 Speed Muncie CH465 5=1985 P=September 24=24th day of month Some observations. Take them for what they're worth. It looks like the numbers match your truck with some oddities.
The 1985-1991 hydraulic clutch setup isn't the easiest thing in the world to retrofit. Look on the LH frame rail next to the bellhousing. If this was originally an automatic truck it'll probably still have the sheet metal retainer for the shift linkage pivot ball riveted on the frame. Not sure any of this matters that much on a 1985 K30. I'm also not sure why someone would go to the trouble of re-stamping the engine pad in a 1 ton truck unless it was possibly done as a dealership re-power at some time or it was a hot engine or a machine shop that decked the block actually re-stamped it...? Get the build sheet. I'm interested in what the story might be.
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I just saw your comment about the manual transmission tilt column...
Tilt or not the column is an 85-91 part. Tilt with a manual transmission means it was special ordered. That's a rare piece. I doubt someone went to the trouble of finding a manual tilt column on an auto to manual swap of a K30.
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