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Old 02-14-2008, 05:51 AM   #1
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Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

I wanted to see for myself if there was a significant difference between the more costly Royal Purple synthetic motor oil and the less expensive but ever popular Mobil 1. I had two samples of 10w30 motor oil from my ’69 C-10 analyzed by the good ol’ boys at Oil Analysis Lab, Inc.
The first sample was Mobil 1 synthetic @ 3,400 miles. That sample was driven over cooler months in Arizona from 12/06-5/07. The second sample was Royal Purple @ 3,000 miles. Over the hot months, 5/07-1/08, with more towing. I meant to go 3,400 but misread the odometer but don’t think the 400 miles will be too significant here.

Their claim is that “…It increases horsepower and torque, saves fuels and reduces heat, wear and emissions. It has unsurpassed oxidation stability that allows for extended oil drains and fewer oil changes,…” I don’t know if these claims are relative to other synthetics or not but I’ll report the significant results:

It increases horsepower and torque- If it did, I’d need a dyno to see the difference on my truck. I couldn’t say I noticed any difference.

saves fuels and reduces heat- At first I could swear it squeezed out a about 1 mile to the gallon, then later not. It’s hard to say- too many variables effect mileage. Naturally, it runs hotter in summer. I put in a 4 core radiator and that's cooler- so I can't say it's the oil. My guage is stock so I can't report in degrees anyhow..

It has unsurpassed oxidation stability that allows for extended oil drains and fewer oil changes- Here’s a real interesting result: The Mobil 1 had a FT-IR Spectrophotometer Oxidation Reading of “9” (normal range) while the Royal Purple measured “33” (moderate). Nitration came in higher too- “8” for Mobil 1 and “18” for Royal Purple. Both in the normal range, however. I will say the Royal Purple was put through an Arizona summer with lots of towing up mountains, so even with 400 fewer miles maybe that would account for the difference? Also, I think I read somewhere that the first go with Royal Purple can yield some weird results. I’m hoping one of the knowledgeable guys here can chime in on that.

Now for the big one, in my mind at least- What about bearing wear? Lead is main measure of that and here’s what happened- Mobil 1 tested at 47 ppm while the Royal Purple turned in 22 ppm. Even taking into consideration the 400 mile difference that's a significant indication the Royal Purple protected better.

Emissions- no significant difference at the Maricopa County test station.

The other significant difference was Silicon. 11 ppm for Mobil 1 and 23 ppm for Royal Purple. I’m not sure about this one- both samples used the same K&N cotton fiber air filter and NAPA Gold oil filter (new oil filter each oil change). It’s possible that it’s an anti-foaming additive in Royal Purple. But it probably has more to do with road conditions and the state of my air filter.

For you paper vs cotton fiber air filter fans out there, here’s the results of the particle tests (ISO 11171) on the K&N:

@ 0-3,400 miles (with Mobil 1) >4: 27,156, >6: 1,701, >14: 216, >21: 159, >38: 64, >71: 38. ISO- 22/18/15

@ 3,400-6,400 miles (with Royal Purple) >4: 152,678, >6: 4562, >14: 463, >21:220, >38: 122, >71: 49. ISO- 24/19/15

The oil sample with 6,400 miles on the air filter is a lot dirtier with more “chunks” of every size in there than at 3,400 miles. This compares to the paper filter with 5,500 miles the first time I reported on K&N vs. Paper. So I’d say nothing to go to the press with there.

I’ve got another 5 qts of Royal Purple in there and I’ll test that later and report to you all. Anyway, I’d appreciate any of your takes on all this.

Thanks.
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:59 AM   #2
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Re: Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

Good info! Thanks!

I'm going to bet on this thread going to..hmm... 3 pages at least!
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:42 AM   #3
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Re: Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

"The oil sample with more miles is a lot dirtier with more “chunks” of every size in there"

Am I reading the numbers wrong because it looks like the one with more mileage is "cleaner"

@ 0-3,400 miles (with Mobil 1) >4: 27,156, >6: 1,701, >14: 216, >21: 159, >38: 64, >71: 38. ISO- 22/18/15

@ 3,400-6,400 miles (with Royal Purple) >4: 152,678, >6: 4562, >14: 463, >21:220, >38: 122, >71: 49. ISO- 24/19/15
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:50 AM   #4
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Re: Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

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"The oil sample with more miles is a lot dirtier with more “chunks” of every size in there"

Am I reading the numbers wrong because it looks like the one with more mileage is "cleaner"

@ 0-3,400 miles (with Mobil 1) >4: 27,156, >6: 1,701, >14: 216, >21: 159, >38: 64, >71: 38. ISO- 22/18/15

@ 3,400-6,400 miles (with Royal Purple) >4: 152,678, >6: 4562, >14: 463, >21:220, >38: 122, >71: 49. ISO- 24/19/15
That's more miles on the air filter. Example: I read >4: as "greater than 4 microns." Therefore, the sample with more miles (the air filter at 6400 as compared to 3400) had more (152,678 compared to 27,156) particles of this size than the earlier sample. I didn't clean the K&N filter between oil tests.
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:53 AM   #5
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Re: Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

Hey Zonaman,

What does it cost to have an analysis like this done?
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:40 AM   #6
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Hey Zonaman,

What does it cost to have an analysis like this done?
$21.50 plus $5.00 shipping for the basic test. I think it's another $20.00 if you want the particle count.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:33 PM   #7
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Re: Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

my plan this week was to do the royal purple treatment
trans & t-case
motor
axles front & rear

and maybe power steering

what do ya'll recomend
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:53 AM   #8
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my plan this week was to do the royal purple treatment
trans & t-case
motor
axles front & rear

and maybe power steering

what do ya'll recomend
I'm kinda wondering myself. Here's what the guys Hot Rod have to say. My big worry has been bearing wear and so far, Royal Purple is doing a better job than Mobil 1 in my truck. I'm suprised over the high oxidation I saw on the results. I change my oil about every 3000-3500 miles these days so not a big deal for me. It doesn't say much for their long life claim though- if this holds true on my next test.
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Old 02-15-2008, 01:47 AM   #9
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Re: Here’s one for all the Royal Purple fans out there.

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$21.50 plus $5.00 shipping for the basic test. I think it's another $20.00 if you want the particle count.
Wow, that's cheaper than I thought but I do want to thank you for running a test like this. I just switched over to Royal Purple so this is good info.
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