84 GMC C2500, V12 powered - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

cayoterun · 07-22-2010, 08:57 PM

I had to find something to clutter it with. Decided to start dragging potential parts vehicles home. If a buildable V-12 can be found, may work on another. Don't have a clue for a plan in mind. Just some ideas. Here's the first two parts possibilities. Like "Balaur", no telling where it will end, if ever. Will go over and get acquainted with the Alternate tinkerings forum crew. Anyone interested, come over and help me.

1984 GMC C2500 8600# GVW

My Dad's '58 Chev Belair. Not used since 1967, still runs, needs restored.

When better pics are posted, I'd sure need some photo-chop help.
Cayoterun

irishman999 · 07-23-2010, 01:22 AM

Dude your truck looks EXACTLY like mine, the paint has been replaced by rust in the same places, same color even.

rwolf9653 · 07-23-2010, 06:20 AM

Do them both!

jb1016 · 07-23-2010, 10:54 AM

Now that's patina!

And the 58 has nice patina too.

JohnC · 07-23-2010, 11:14 AM

Very interested to see what your next project entails.

TennesseeZ · 07-23-2010, 11:48 AM

I'm diggin the Belair pretty much as it sits............

cst70rocket · 07-23-2010, 06:15 PM

I know where a buildable V-12 is. Here in San Angelo,Tx. I'll make a call and see if he will part with it. It's was ran on propane and was used for an irrigation pump.

PanelDeland · 07-23-2010, 08:47 PM

A lot of the V12's were used to run irrigation pumps.They should have the higher 9:1 compression pistons already in them.Check around in irrigated farming country and you might find a core for cheap.

cayoterun · 07-23-2010, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PanelDeland

A lot of the V12's were used to run irrigation pumps.They should have the higher 9:1 compression pistons already in them.Check around in irrigated farming country and you might find a core for cheap.

I live in the dead center of farm irrigation country, and where they were used. If I'm patient, I think maybe one will show around here, I hope. Yes, the pistons are higher-compression to compensate for natural gas/propane for fuel.
Cayoterun

72BlckButy · 07-23-2010, 11:46 PM

The '58 looks perfect IMO...

*lakeroadster* · 07-24-2010, 08:30 AM

The ' 58 is sweet!

Maybe a new drivetrain, maybe a new interior, but leave the outside as is... it's perfect!

cayoterun · 07-24-2010, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

The ' 58 is sweet!

Maybe a new drivetrain, maybe a new interior, but leave the outside as is... it's perfect!

That's what I'm thinking too, but add the long nose/wV-12. Don't want to cut the old car body, just sit it on a heavy frame. Reluctant to do that, too. It would make a great car to restore, as is.

These rockin' chair builds are sometimes more fun, lot cheaper and easier.
Cayoterun

cayoterun · 08-18-2010, 04:16 PM

Does Chevy/GMC make a short bed for the '73-'87 pickups? If so, is the bed length taken from in front of the rear wheels? How much shorter is the short bed?
I'm wondering if using a short bed and sitting the cab back if I might be able to gain enough room on the '84 3/4 pic. above to use a V12. An '84 GMC 3/4 might make an intertesting project.
I compared the GVWs on both Ford F350, frt axle gvw, 3600#. This '84 GMC 2500 frt gvw, 3700#. Pleasant surprise, and would feel confident the GMC would carry the added weight. I plan to use it's running gear on whatever we decide to use.
I think I like the idea of using the '84 and staying as near stock appearance as possible, except the extended hood.
I really don't like the idea of taking my Dad's old '58 car apart. It's too restorable to cut up.

Still thinkin' and open to any ideas.
Thanks, Cayoterun

Mods. If a build gets started here, we can move to appropriate forum, right now, I don't know where to post. Present time I'm seeking info. and ideas.

79gmcc15 · 08-18-2010, 06:37 PM

The square body's do indeed have a swb but not for a 3/4+ . But the bed its self is the same throughout. So you should be able to put a swb bed on it. And iirc it is 6' long. I think this is a awesome idea. One very small thing you may not know is that the hoods on these trucks are weak as is. So you will have to find a way to stiffen it up a lot. But that's a small detail. You should start a thread in the 73-87 section.

ChevLoRay · 08-18-2010, 10:33 PM

There's a '58 Bel Air 4-dr hardtop about a half-mile from me. It was driven into the back yard about 4 years ago and parked. It's gold and white and I get sick every time I drive by it, knowing it's going to sit there until it rusts down.

cayoterun · 08-18-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChevLoRay

There's a '58 Bel Air 4-dr hardtop about a half-mile from me. It was driven into the back yard about 4 years ago and parked. It's gold and white and I get sick every time I drive by it, knowing it's going to sit there until it rusts down.

That would be a nice one to restore. Since they weren't as popular as the Impala, they'll probably be seen less and less. I hope someone rescues it.

The '58s were a "love em or hate em" model. I always liked them.
Cayoterun

67ChevyRedneck · 08-18-2010, 11:24 PM

Don't the 73-87 frames kick up right after the cab? That might make what you're thinking about a little harder. Not 100% on that... maybe it was just the 4x4's?

Please don't hack up that beautiful 58 for some huge ass engine swap. I think you did the 60's GMC truck with the extended front clip? It looks cool, but not for such a clean beautiful car. Cut the crap out of that 84, there's like millions of those things

cayoterun · 08-19-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

Please don't hack up that beautiful 58 for some huge ass engine swap. I think you did the 60's GMC truck with the extended front clip? It looks cool, but not for such a clean beautiful car. Cut the crap out of that 84, there's like millions of those things

Thanks for the encouragement. Your right, the '58 is too good to cut up. It needs to be restored. A set of tires, brake kits, and fluid changes, it could go back on the streets as is. Interior fabric is shot from age. Maybe one of my sons will redo it someday. Your point is well taken, and back in the barn she goes. No big motor for her!

The '62 truck was put together with trash parts, end results shows that. The old motor sure attracts the attention. It's really popular at the museum, so by saving it, we acheived our goal.
Cayoterun

cayoterun · 08-20-2010, 07:17 PM

Mods: Could this thread be moved to 73-87 forum?

Under new title: "84 GMC C2500, V12 powered"?

Thanks,
Cayoterun

**Palf70Step** · 08-20-2010, 09:15 PM

You are officially moved, so let us see your mess

cayoterun · 08-20-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Palf70Step

You are officially moved, so let us see your mess

Thanks, Palf70step: Give me 30 days and the floor will be covered with tools, junk parts, and all that stuff your looking for and can't find.

I know with my off-the-wall tinkering, I really don't fit anywhere, but I sure thank you guys for letting me hang out over in one corner of your world. I sure got alot of good pointers from you guys on the last monstrosity. Bet I will here, too, if I get something going----or banished one. (grin). I've built some fairly nice cars and a couple of travel trailers in years past. At my age, I like to mess with something now, that if it never gets finished, I don't have a big pile of money tied up that we couldn't recover in case we really needed it.

Since we nixed the car idea, I've found this truck, and a pretty good short bed, already. My thoughts now is another long nose, but use this foundation, and move the cab back with shorter matching bed. Probably, like the last truck, with everyone offering different ideas, it could go anywhere. I'll start a serious search for a motor now. It's crazy, but I'm a big fan of the old V12 motors and like to work with them.
Included a pic of some of the cars we had at one time. The ragtops we did for our kids first cars. The kids still have them stored away. The impala was for me. I graduated in '58.
Thanks,
Cayoterun

rod86 · 08-22-2010, 09:19 AM

hmm should be an interesting build.... cant wait to see to finished product..

cayoterun · 08-26-2010, 06:16 PM

What a barn find!! Saved it from the melting pot. A local doctor passed away sometime ago. He had a hobby farm and raised horses, but had some irrigation wells. They were disposing of his machinery, etc. They asked the fellow who used to work for him years ago if he wanted it. He said he'd haul it off to the scrap yard. The guy who was helping with all the doctors stuff called and asked if I'd be interested, if so, call the other guy. I did. He was working for the doctor about 10 years ago when this engine had had a complete overhaul, stored in their shop, and never been run, so knew it's history. I made him an offer at more than I could afford, so he sold it to me. For icing on the cake, when I got there this morning to pick it up, he had hooked up the fuel, stuck a battery on, and it fired right up.
May try to adapt a 5spd over manual behind this one.

So now may the fun/work/flusterpation, and barn clutter begin, again.

**Palf70Step** · 08-26-2010, 06:32 PM

Very nice. You seem to have the nose to find them ole V12s everywhere.

locomotive breath · 08-26-2010, 10:33 PM

Great find, I knew you couldn't stay away from em for long. I'm pretty sure some of the GM 3/4 tons in that age range came with a 14 bolt GM rear that you can still get 3.42 gears for.

07-22-2010, 08:57 PM	#1
cayoterun Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Guymon, Oklahoma Posts: 2,040	84 GMC C2500, V12 powered I had to find something to clutter it with. Decided to start dragging potential parts vehicles home. If a buildable V-12 can be found, may work on another. Don't have a clue for a plan in mind. Just some ideas. Here's the first two parts possibilities. Like "Balaur", no telling where it will end, if ever. Will go over and get acquainted with the Alternate tinkerings forum crew. Anyone interested, come over and help me. 1984 GMC C2500 8600# GVW My Dad's '58 Chev Belair. Not used since 1967, still runs, needs restored. When better pics are posted, I'd sure need some photo-chop help. Cayoterun Attached Images __________________ Cayoterun Okla. Panhandle I think I'll do it myself and pay the extra $500. Last edited by cayoterun; 07-24-2010 at 09:55 AM.

07-23-2010, 01:22 AM	#2
irishman999 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reno Ne-VAH-da Posts: 594	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor Dude your truck looks EXACTLY like mine, the paint has been replaced by rust in the same places, same color even.

07-23-2010, 06:20 AM	#3
rwolf9653 more ideas than money Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: spring grove, pa Posts: 1,068	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor Do them both! __________________ Randy 1948 Chevy 3100 5 window 1966 Chevy C30 Dually 1967 Chevy K10 1972 Chevy K20 1972 Chevy C10 1972 Chevy K5 Blazer 1987 Chevy V10 2003 Chevy Suburban

07-23-2010, 11:14 AM	#5
JohnC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 7,461	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor Very interested to see what your next project entails.

07-23-2010, 11:48 AM	#6
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07-23-2010, 06:15 PM	#7
cst70rocket Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Angelo or Eufaula Posts: 301	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor I know where a buildable V-12 is. Here in San Angelo,Tx. I'll make a call and see if he will part with it. It's was ran on propane and was used for an irrigation pump.

07-23-2010, 08:47 PM	#8
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor A lot of the V12's were used to run irrigation pumps.They should have the higher 9:1 compression pistons already in them.Check around in irrigated farming country and you might find a core for cheap. __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

07-23-2010, 11:46 PM	#10
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07-24-2010, 08:30 AM	#11
lakeroadster Account Suspended Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: High Plains of Colorado Posts: 2,485	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor The ' 58 is sweet! Maybe a new drivetrain, maybe a new interior, but leave the outside as is... it's perfect! Last edited by lakeroadster; 07-24-2010 at 08:30 AM.

08-18-2010, 04:16 PM	#13
cayoterun Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Guymon, Oklahoma Posts: 2,040	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor Does Chevy/GMC make a short bed for the '73-'87 pickups? If so, is the bed length taken from in front of the rear wheels? How much shorter is the short bed? I'm wondering if using a short bed and sitting the cab back if I might be able to gain enough room on the '84 3/4 pic. above to use a V12. An '84 GMC 3/4 might make an intertesting project. I compared the GVWs on both Ford F350, frt axle gvw, 3600#. This '84 GMC 2500 frt gvw, 3700#. Pleasant surprise, and would feel confident the GMC would carry the added weight. I plan to use it's running gear on whatever we decide to use. I think I like the idea of using the '84 and staying as near stock appearance as possible, except the extended hood. I really don't like the idea of taking my Dad's old '58 car apart. It's too restorable to cut up. Still thinkin' and open to any ideas. Thanks, Cayoterun Mods. If a build gets started here, we can move to appropriate forum, right now, I don't know where to post. Present time I'm seeking info. and ideas. __________________ Cayoterun Okla. Panhandle I think I'll do it myself and pay the extra $500. Last edited by cayoterun; 08-18-2010 at 06:01 PM. Reason: add question

08-18-2010, 06:37 PM	#14
79gmcc15 Gettin It One Pice At A Time Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: everett, washington Posts: 2,688	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor The square body's do indeed have a swb but not for a 3/4+ . But the bed its self is the same throughout. So you should be able to put a swb bed on it. And iirc it is 6' long. I think this is a awesome idea. One very small thing you may not know is that the hoods on these trucks are weak as is. So you will have to find a way to stiffen it up a lot. But that's a small detail. You should start a thread in the 73-87 section. __________________ RIP ELJAY Work In Progress 1979 GMC C1500 Trailering Special. Getting the truck done, one piece at a time. “You can tell a lot about a fellow’s character by his way of eating jellybeans.”Ronald Reagan “I don’t know the key to success but I know the key to failure is trying to please everybody.” Bill Cosby

08-18-2010, 10:33 PM	#15
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08-18-2010, 11:24 PM	#17
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor Don't the 73-87 frames kick up right after the cab? That might make what you're thinking about a little harder. Not 100% on that... maybe it was just the 4x4's? Please don't hack up that beautiful 58 for some huge ass engine swap. I think you did the 60's GMC truck with the extended front clip? It looks cool, but not for such a clean beautiful car. Cut the crap out of that 84, there's like millions of those things __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 08-18-2010 at 11:26 PM.

08-20-2010, 07:17 PM	#19
cayoterun Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Guymon, Oklahoma Posts: 2,040	Re: Can't stand to see my shop floor Mods: Could this thread be moved to 73-87 forum? Under new title: "84 GMC C2500, V12 powered"? Thanks, Cayoterun __________________ Cayoterun Okla. Panhandle I think I'll do it myself and pay the extra $500. Last edited by cayoterun; 08-20-2010 at 08:39 PM.

08-20-2010, 09:15 PM	#20
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08-22-2010, 09:19 AM	#22
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08-26-2010, 06:16 PM	#23
cayoterun Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Guymon, Oklahoma Posts: 2,040	Re: 84 GMC C2500, V12 powered What a barn find!! Saved it from the melting pot. A local doctor passed away sometime ago. He had a hobby farm and raised horses, but had some irrigation wells. They were disposing of his machinery, etc. They asked the fellow who used to work for him years ago if he wanted it. He said he'd haul it off to the scrap yard. The guy who was helping with all the doctors stuff called and asked if I'd be interested, if so, call the other guy. I did. He was working for the doctor about 10 years ago when this engine had had a complete overhaul, stored in their shop, and never been run, so knew it's history. I made him an offer at more than I could afford, so he sold it to me. For icing on the cake, when I got there this morning to pick it up, he had hooked up the fuel, stuck a battery on, and it fired right up. May try to adapt a 5spd over manual behind this one. So now may the fun/work/flusterpation, and barn clutter begin, again. Attached Images __________________ Cayoterun Okla. Panhandle I think I'll do it myself and pay the extra $500. Last edited by cayoterun; 08-26-2010 at 06:24 PM.

08-26-2010, 06:32 PM	#24
Palf70Step State of Confusion! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gulfport, MS USA Posts: 47,225	Re: 84 GMC C2500, V12 powered Very nice. You seem to have the nose to find them ole V12s everywhere. __________________ Bill 1970 Chevy Custom/10 LWB Fleetside 2010 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner SR5 Double Cab - DD Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Bill's Gallery Life isn't tied with a bow, but it's still a gift. Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God!

08-26-2010, 10:33 PM	#25
locomotive breath Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Royse City TX Posts: 43	Re: 84 GMC C2500, V12 powered Great find, I knew you couldn't stay away from em for long. I'm pretty sure some of the GM 3/4 tons in that age range came with a 14 bolt GM rear that you can still get 3.42 gears for. __________________ '50 GMC 350 COE, 702 V-12 / 4L80E powered '71 GMC 6500, 427, 5 spd

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