1964 GMC Panel/Suburban 4x4

[AsianBlazer]

Hi guys,

I spend most of my time on the Blazer boards but I came across this not far from my place. I am interested in going to look at it. But first I could use some advice/feedback on what to verify for authenticity, what to look for in common rust areas, red flags etc. I pretty sure a 350 is not original equipment or is it? Also, its not a "panel" is it?

Thanks for any input/thoughts/advice

Mike

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/4940204569.html

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by AsianBlazer

Hi guys,

I spend most of my time on the Blazer boards but I came across this not far from my place. I am interested in going to look at it. But first I could use some advice/feedback on what to verify for authenticity, what to look for in common rust areas, red flags etc. I pretty sure a 350 is not original equipment or is it? Also, its not a "panel" is it?

Thanks for any input/thoughts/advice

Mike

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/4940204569.html

i think its a 63(cuz the wraparound windscreen) GMC carryall(suburban) 4x4. it would have come with the third row seat cuz of the rearmost sliding windows or only 2 rows then you could move it to the wayback spot and still have the fresh air from the sliding glass(check for the 4 locks to the sliders they cost a fair penny). 350 is a later engine not 60-66(327 came out in late 65) but being a GMC it may have come with a"big block" V6(348) looks similar to a 409 just 2 less cylinders. if there isn't a C in the vin and only a K then its a true 4x4, with doors or barn doors as most call em(instead of a liftgate or clamshells as they are call). check to see if the column was a 3 speed, unless it was changed to a four speed column to which no gear select arm would be on the column if there is an arm then it was a 3 speed. they came with divorced transfer case. oh add more fotos!!!!

[jonzcustomshop]

read through this page on the gmc vin:
http://6066gmcclub.com/gmcguy/VinNumber.html
since it is visually a gmc-dash, front clip, but the guy calls it a 64 when it has the 60-63 windshield, and mentions that it is a chevy in the ad, I would verify for sure what it is...

[spacedebris]

It is most definitely a 60-63. However in some areas if a 63 was sold in 64 it would be registered as a 64. No big deal in my mind, as long as you are aware of it and get the 60-63 versions of parts when needed.

Nope, not a panel. Panels have no side windows.

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as for being a GMC, definitely looks that way. Dual headlights and Dash are dead giveaways.

When looking at it, check for rust in the door pillers, around windshield and drip rails, rockers, floor, lower fenders, rear hood (near hinges), and rear quarters especially around wheel wells. These are the most common rust spots on these models.

Pimpston65 has the engines well stated. Based on what was said in the ad and pics shown. Unless something untoward shows up on inspection, definitely looks like a good deal. Good luck


BTW Looks like there are some handles bolted between the door and rear windows. Dont think its stock but looks like a good idea to me.

[padresag]

it is a 63 according to the vin plate but as it sometimes happens may not have gotten sold until the 64 model were selling and got reg as a 64. he sent me a pic of the vin plate and it is K1001PG.
ron

[padresag]

Originally Posted by pimpston65

i think its a 63(cuz the wraparound windscreen) GMC carryall(suburban) 4x4. it would have come with the third row seat cuz of the rearmost sliding windows or only 2 rows then you could move it to the wayback spot and still have the fresh air from the sliding glass(check for the 4 locks to the sliders they cost a fair penny). 350 is a later engine not 60-66(327 came out in late 65) but being a GMC it may have come with a"big block" V6(348) looks similar to a 409 just 2 less cylinders. if there isn't a C in the vin and only a K then its a true 4x4, with doors or barn doors as most call em(instead of a liftgate or clamshells as they are call). check to see if the column was a 3 speed, unless it was changed to a four speed column to which no gear select arm would be on the column if there is an arm then it was a 3 speed. they came with divorced transfer case. oh add more fotos!!!!

it would have had either a 305 or a 351 cu in v6. it does have the wavy valve covers similiar to a 348-409. the easy way to tell is v6 has the spark plugs on to[p of the v/covers and the 348-409 are under the v/covers. it also could have some with an I6 230 which would have the same mounting as a sbc
ron

[AsianBlazer]

Wow,

I really appreciate all the feedback and input from you guys,some great information and resources. I've emailed him to see when its available to look at/inspect. I don't need this thing, but I just want it! Guess I'll have to sell the 1976 2wd Sierra Classic Suburban I just bought two weeks ago!

Thanks again, Mike

[67swb72klb]

nice...looks like a good start

[65GMC4000]

I ended up bringing this one home. It is a 63 and not a 64. It even came with the 4 chrome latches for the sliders.

[AsianBlazer]

Well, guess I know the reason he didn't return my call or email after I posted the listing here.

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by AsianBlazer

Well, guess I know the reason he didn't return my call or email after I posted the listing here.

i took me 7 rigs before i found the right one, they are out there just keep looking and have cash ready!!!

[AsianBlazer]

Had cash, was ready, called/emailed the morning after posting the listing here for some feedback. Guess that was a mistake I won't make again. Never even got to look at it, let alone hear back from the owner after posting.

[pimpston65]

Originally Posted by AsianBlazer

Had cash, was ready, called/emailed the morning after posting the listing here for some feedback. Guess that was a mistake I won't make again. Never even got to look at it, let alone hear back from the owner after posting.

the owner probly got many calls, these models are very hot!!! so keep at it... i waited 6months after i paid for my burban to get from quebec cuz of issues so i have patience, i will give u some of mine. its a headache at times, just move on to the next lead...

[65GMC4000]

Hey AisianBlazer, I asked him if he had a lot of interest in the burb. He said he did, but everybody that came and looked at it wasn't interested in it because it had too much rust for them. I figured you had already looked at it.

[AsianBlazer]

Hey 65GMC, no problems, just surprised I never heard from the guy, he's like 7 miles away.I'd like to see some more pictures of it,guessing the rust was in the floor pan> Congrat's on your buy!

[65GMC4000]

Here are a couple more pictures. I mounted the front bumper on it tonight. The PO bought it w/o a front bumper and acquired one and threw in on the deal.

[jonzcustomshop]

maybe it is a 62?? your grille support doesn't have the deep cutouts for the frame like a 63 does, and it has a hydraulic clutch, which was still used in 62, but not 63 as far as I know...also the interior looks to be all factory silver/gray, not fawn.... however I thought 62 and 63's had the fawn interior....

[Joemomma1]

Originally Posted by AsianBlazer

Had cash, was ready, called/emailed the morning after posting the listing here for some feedback. Guess that was a mistake I won't make again. Never even got to look at it, let alone hear back from the owner after posting.

Did you dirty. Seems like you've learned your lesson. I'll never post up contact info on a prospective purchase. You have to be absolutely sure you're going to pass, especially on a suburban. eBay listings follow along the same lines. There are a ton of lurkers who will undercut you in a minute. You can't expect anyone to pay you the courtesy of waiting until you pass. It sucks but that's the hobby we chose. Don't get me started on the part rats who only see dollar signs when they search.

[padresag]

Originally Posted by Joemomma1

Did you dirty. Seems like you've learned your lesson. I'll never post up contact info on a prospective purchase. You have to be absolutely sure you're going to pass, especially on a suburban. eBay listings follow along the same lines. There are a ton of lurkers who will undercut you in a minute. You can't expect anyone to pay you the courtesy of waiting until you pass. It sucks but that's the hobby we chose. Don't get me started on the part rats who only see dollar signs when they search.

sounds about right
ron

[jonzcustomshop]

I mistakenly posted a 64 80 series that had a 409 in it, I thought it was cool, and people would enjoy seeing it, and I am positive that a lurker/not a board member saw the post and snapped it up, it got parted and the motor went into a 64 convert, which is sacrilege IMO ... funny thing was, through a friend of a friend I actually knew the guys that got it. I am 99% positive that it was my post that spilled the beans, because that truck had been sitting in the same spot for 20 years, and not 2 months after my post it is gone to the scrapper after being robbed of its engine...

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=283990

[MikeS.]

How bad is the rust?

The color seems to match the original color of my 63. Which is now silver over blue.

[Captainfab]

The '63 GMC's retained the hydraulic clutch and went mechanical in '64.

Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop

maybe it is a 62?? your grille support doesn't have the deep cutouts for the frame like a 63 does, and it has a hydraulic clutch, which was still used in 62, but not 63 as far as I know...also the interior looks to be all factory silver/gray, not fawn.... however I thought 62 and 63's had the fawn interior....