CPP narrowed track width drop spindles...

[see ten]

I got my new issue of Classic Trucks in the mail today and there was an article about CPP's new modular dropped spindles. The article claimed that they allowed the use of larger diameter rotors/calipers (or stockers) as well as narrowed the track width 1" per side and provided 2.5" of drop. I searched their site and the info I saw claimed that they provided 2" of drop and narrowed the track width 1 1/8" per side. I'm generally 100% ECE when it comes to drop parts but the possibility of a narowed track width for $299 sounds interesting...Anyone tried these yet? Opinions? Comments??

http://www.classicperform.com/NewPro...op_Spindle.htm

[Spray-Bomb]

Sounds cool, but I wouldnt buy from them

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by see ten

I got my new issue of Classic Trucks in the mail today and there was an article about CPP's new modular dropped spindles. The article claimed that they allowed the use of larger diameter rotors/calipers (or stockers) as well as narrowed the track width 1" per side and provided 2.5" of drop. I searched their site and the info I saw claimed that they provided 2" of drop and narrowed the track width 1 1/8" per side. I'm generally 100% ECE when it comes to drop parts but the possibility of a narowed track width for $299 sounds interesting...Anyone tried these yet? Opinions? Comments??

Narrowed vs. stock drum brake equipped track width or vs. a disc brake front end? That's the million dollar question . . .....

[Raguemoe]

I have them on my 67. They did pull the wheels in about 1" per side. They are a 2" drop spindle (not 2.5"). I got the standard size rotors (not the big brake setup). They would not work with my old 5x8 rallys and my buddy had to grind a little on the A-arms.

[CG]

I plan on getting a set of these...why wouldnt they work with your 15x8 rallys?

[see ten]

I'm considering trying to get a 9.5" wide wheel under the front of my next 72 project. Narrowing the track width would help cut down on the amount of offset I would need. In theory, I could get a 9.5" wheel under there with about 4.5" of BS instead of 5.5" of BS (which is what I was figuring/guessing to begin with). I'm not sure how large of a diameter wheel I'd need to keep all the control arm clearances issues at bay...I'm guessing a minimum of 17"??

I also prefer to buy from ECE, but their spindles don't narrow the track width...But I do know that theirs will fit and they have excellent customer service.

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Narrowed vs. stock drum brake equipped track width or vs. a disc brake front end? That's the million dollar question . . .....

Subscribing.
I'm interested in the answer to this question also.

[N2TRUX]

see ten- It might be a good idea to contact CPP and ask them. They have some very good product, but not so much on customer service. Read the review forum for more details on that subject.

Please keep us informed as several of us hav been considering that as an option.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by see ten

....I'm not sure how large of a diameter wheel I'd need to keep all the control arm clearances issues at bay...I'm guessing a minimum of 17"??

I had 18's on my 74 (18x8 w/5.25"BS using 3" spindles) & they still rubbed the a-arm. The only difference diameter makes is where the rim contacts the a-arm. Smaller diameter rims contact the a-arm closer to the BJ where a larger diameter will contact the a-arm closer to the shock mount.

[Raguemoe]

Originally Posted by CG

I plan on getting a set of these...why wouldnt they work with your 15x8 rallys?

Wheels rubbed the a-arm.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by Raguemoe

Wheels rubbed the a-arm.

To elaborate, this is a common problem for all drop spindles; not just CPP's.

[111stony]

I have these spindles with their big brakes. I should have them mounted in the next few days. I can measure track width & try to post a couple of pictures if it would by helpful.

[see ten]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

I had 18's on my 74 (18x8 w/5.25"BS using 3" spindles) & they still rubbed the a-arm. The only difference diameter makes is where the rim contacts the a-arm. Smaller diameter rims contact the a-arm closer to the BJ where a larger diameter will contact the a-arm closer to the shock mount.

Was your backspacing causing the interference problem? I was under the impression that the diameter had a lot to do with clearing the control arms?? For example. When I first lowered my truck with the 15x8 rally wheels, I had some control arm interference on the lower control arms when the wheel were being cut deep. I had read here on the board that a minimum of a 17" diameter wheel would do away with the interference issue. I went to a 17x8 wheel with 4" of backspacing and they never scrubbed again. Even if these spindles narrow the track width which would let me run a wheel with less backspace...The wheel still has to go somewhere! The control arms get wider the further away they get from the ball joints and I can see where there could be interference issues towards the shock mounts. I was just curious since going from a 15" to a 17" wheel cured the issue before if going up to a 18" or 20" would help in this scenario. I may have to break down and build or buy one of the lil tools for checking clearances. A $90 tool would be considerably cheaper then about $700 worth of front wheels I couldn't use.

On a side note...Are these the same spindles/brakes that there was a thread about a while back? It seems like there was a thread checking interest in larger brakes for our pickups and it was being monitered(followed up on? commented on, )by someone from CPP?

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by see ten

Was your backspacing causing the interference problem? I was under the impression that the diameter had a lot to do with clearing the control arms?? For example. When I first lowered my truck with the 15x8 rally wheels, I had some control arm interference on the lower control arms when the wheel were being cut deep. I had read here on the board that a minimum of a 17" diameter wheel would do away with the interference issue. I went to a 17x8 wheel with 4" of backspacing and they never scrubbed again. Even if these spindles narrow the track width which would let me run a wheel with less backspace...The wheel still has to go somewhere! The control arms get wider the further away they get from the ball joints and I can see where there could be interference issues towards the shock mounts. I was just curious since going from a 15" to a 17" wheel cured the issue before if going up to a 18" or 20" would help in this scenario. I may have to break down and build or buy one of the lil tools for checking clearances. A $90 tool would be considerably cheaper then about $700 worth of front wheels I couldn't use.

On a side note...Are these the same spindles/brakes that there was a thread about a while back? It seems like there was a thread checking interest in larger brakes for our pickups and it was being monitered(followed up on? commented on, )by someone from CPP?

It seems the larger diameter wheels will still contact the a-arm @ a given back spacing. The variance will be where it contacts the a-arm. I trimmed the lips off of my arms & the 18x8" wheels w/5.25BS still rubbed way before full lock turns. For comparison, I only trimmed a little more off the same a-arms for my 15x6.5" van ralleys to clear w/the same 3" drop spindle. I just trimmed more off closer to the BJ area vs, the shock area where it was needed for the 18's.

I started a 'cheap big-brake' thread about a system I was trying to convince a manufacturer to build for us DIY truck guys. CPP had no interest in this idea when I originally contacted them about it but did post info later in the thread that they were soon going to market their brand 13" brake 'kit'.

CPP is marketing theirs. The guys that built my DIY style set-up aren't marketing them but seem to have the customer service routine down pat vs. what I've read about CPP in the review forum.

[see ten]

Hmmm...I wonder if the difference lies in that your spindles are 3" and mine are 2.5"? I'm also curious as to if their 2" drop spindle would change things much either... My desire to see a driveable truck with a static drop and 9.5" wide wheels on the front may just be a pipe dream I'm afraid!

Who were using for your big brake kit? Gotta link handy to the thread?

Thanks

[Twisted78SS]

Just to add to the mix,

I just installed a set of McGauhys Classic 2.5 in Drop Spindles and using a 15x7 Rallye it rubs just a tad on the lower A-arm.

To give you an idea of where it rubs, when I first put them on it scrubbed of the balance weight that was on the inside lip.

[Custom 68]

Originally Posted by Twisted78SS

Just to add to the mix,

I just installed a set of McGauhys Classic 2.5 in Drop Spindles and using a 15x7 Rallye it rubs just a tad on the lower A-arm.

To give you an idea of where it rubs, when I first put them on it scrubbed of the balance weight that was on the inside lip.

mine did the same thing. I would like to change too I will keep watching

[CG]

It sounds like these may not work for me either. 15x8 wheel with 4.25 inch backspacing will probably rub.

[Kayotic]

I don't have a reference with me, but I always kept this in mind....

All spindle drops,

2" drop may not effect the wheel at all.

2 1/2" require 17" wheel minimum.

3" you are on your own, not sure when or where the arm and wheel will meet.

[see ten]

Originally Posted by 111stony

I have these spindles with their big brakes. I should have them mounted in the next few days. I can measure track width & try to post a couple of pictures if it would by helpful.

Yes sir! It would be helpful! We'll be waiting.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by Kayotic

I don't have a reference with me, but I always kept this in mind....

All spindle drops,
2" drop may not effect the wheel at all.

2 1/2" require 17" wheel minimum.

3" you are on your own, not sure when or where the arm and wheel will meet.

For years I drove my 68 Beater w/Western Chassis 2.5" drop spindles & 15" van ralleys (6.5" wide w/about 3.5" BS). There was ABSOLUTELY no interference. No trimming or grinding was required (to any portion of the a-arms).

I'm using those exact same van ralleys on the front of my 74 now & it has 3" Bell Tech spindles. It did require trimming the a-arm lip near the ball-joint & will still contact the wheel weights before full lock turns. It does not rub making normal left or right hand turns.

Those same Bell Tech spindles were on the truck when I had my 18" TT2's on there. 8" wide w/5.25" back-spacing & they rubbed the a-arm before full lock turns. The larger diameter rim required trimming the lip further up the a-arm because they contacted the arm in a different location.

Again, it depends on the back spacing of the wheel.

[Raguemoe]

I put my Intro wheels on (20x8 5" backspace front) and have no rubbing problems. I also have a set of rally wheels (15x7 & 15x8) that I was planning on running. I did't install the brakes/suspension, but if you guys need me to check w/rallys or pics let me know!

[see ten]

Could we have some pics please!!

[northern 85]

Pics pics please.

[Raguemoe]

Just got my issue of Classic Truck mag-Full article on this setup with mult. pics!!!