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cochino12 · 07-24-2010, 04:41 PM

Just installed plates, cups, 2600 lb bags and the control arms are still about 1-1.5" off the ground? I have 3" drop spindles, 245-40-20 tires, I assumed I'd be able to get the control arms on the ground or at least very close. It looks like the bag is just bottomed out, shocks not holding it up either. Ideas?

kunzy420 · 07-24-2010, 06:58 PM

Did you try cutting your cups down a hair?

Ive read about people taking 1" to 1.5" off

**N2TRUX** · 07-24-2010, 09:10 PM

What cups are you running? Have you checked the bump stops? Are your tires hitting the fender liners? With a 3" spindle, Ride Tech cups, and the fender liners removed, my 82 Blazer would lay the A-arms hard.

cochino12 · 07-24-2010, 09:11 PM

It looks like if I take any more off the cup the bag is going to rub on the LCA. Actually it looks like bag is just bottomed out, damn I was hoping it would be an inch or two lower. I may have to pull the LCA and weld in a pipe so I can lose the cups.

**N2TRUX** · 07-24-2010, 10:04 PM

You can do that if you like, but it's not necessary. You are hitting somewhere.

cochino12 · 07-25-2010, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by N2TRUX

What cups are you running? Have you checked the bump stops? Are your tires hitting the fender liners? With a 3" spindle, Ride Tech cups, and the fender liners removed, my 82 Blazer would lay the A-arms hard.

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Originally Posted by N2TRUX

You can do that if you like, but it's not necessary. You are hitting somewhere.

I thought it should lay out but I cant see where what the problem might be? I took the inner fenders out and I cut all the bump stop bracket out. I have porterbuilt 2" cups but I think the top plates might be wrong because when I look at other setup's it looks like my bag is pushed further toward the spindle. Either that or I got the wrong bags and they are too big to sit in the LCA?

**N2TRUX** · 07-25-2010, 10:03 AM

I "think" the Ride Tech cups are shorter so that might make a difference. The upper plates do bring the bag as far to the outside as possible.

edflores · 07-25-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cochino12

I thought it should lay out but I cant see where what the problem might be? I took the inner fenders out and I cut all the bump stop bracket out. I have porterbuilt 2" cups but I think the top plates might be wrong because when I look at other setup's it looks like my bag is pushed further toward the spindle. Either that or I got the wrong bags and they are too big to sit in the LCA?

I think my cups were at like an 1-1/4 when i had my c10. I think most people on here are running around 1.25-1.5 tall cups

54Caddy · 07-25-2010, 04:40 PM

more info on ordering the ride tech cups, these cups are already cut down??

**N2TRUX** · 07-25-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 54Caddy

more info on ordering the ride tech cups, these cups are already cut down??

They aren't "cut down" that's just the height they offer. To order them, check with any of our forum vendors that are Ride Tech dealers, or go direct to the Ride Tech site.

**kev2809** · 07-26-2010, 10:24 AM

do you have any pics of you setup?

cochino12 · 07-26-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kev2809

do you have any pics of you setup?

I'll grab some this afternoon, I left my camera in the work truck this weekend

PBFAB.COM · 07-26-2010, 02:53 PM

Have you actually removed the shocks yet to make sure they aren't holding her up? Sometimes they can look like they aren't restricting the amount of dump... I would remove them just to test it out. Even with the cups at the height you requested you should be lower than that.

cochino12 · 07-26-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by porterbuilt

Have you actually removed the shocks yet to make sure they aren't holding her up? Sometimes they can look like they aren't restricting the amount of dump... I would remove them just to test it out. Even with the cups at the height you requested you should be lower than that.

Yep, I took them out completely. Just to see what if the cup was holding me up I took them out and it came down another ~1" til the tire hit the blower motor/ac box, removed that stuff and the LCA is still ~1" off the ground. I think my upper ball joint might be the problem?

dv8customs · 07-26-2010, 06:20 PM

I would say that ball joint is maxed out...

cochino12 · 07-26-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dv8customs

I would say that ball joint is maxed out...

Thats what I was thinking, what do I do now? try a better brand of ball joint? Or am I going to have to stup up and get tubular arms that fix the ball joint angle? I bought 20" wheels so I would have to worry about a bunch of extra work/money getting it low. Damn

dv8customs · 07-26-2010, 07:11 PM

Got a picture of your cups? I just looked back at some of my old pics and with 3" spindles and a 29" tire my arms werent at that extreme of an angle.

cochino12 · 07-26-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dv8customs

Got a picture of your cups? I just looked back at some of my old pics and with 3" spindles and a 29" tire my arms werent at that extreme of an angle.

I'll get some more pictures soon, there were no cups installed when I took that picture of the ball joint

dv8customs · 07-26-2010, 08:48 PM

Ooops... I just realized that picture was after I Z'd the frame. Either way, you seem to have another issue.

**kev2809** · 07-26-2010, 09:22 PM

ya that bj seems ridiculous, i dont think mine get close to that angle.

cochino12 · 07-26-2010, 10:05 PM

ideas? suggestions?

blime81 · 07-27-2010, 03:16 PM

Just thinking out loud here but do you have any shims in your upper control arm?

The BJ angle is way to much. Probably whats holding you up and even if its not it should be corrected.

cochino12 · 07-27-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blime81

Just thinking out loud here but do you have any shims in your upper control arm?

The BJ angle is way to much. Probably whats holding you up and even if its not it should be corrected.

There are a ton of shims in the upper arm, I'll try pulling some of them out and see if that helps.

cochino12 · 07-27-2010, 06:46 PM

Damn, pulled all but one of the shims and it definitely has more -camber but it doesnt get any lower. Arrggghhhhh

edflores · 07-27-2010, 06:56 PM

How does your Balljoint angle look now?
And shoot pics of the cups.

07-24-2010, 04:41 PM	#1
cochino12 It followed me home? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Yup Posts: 5,751	Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Just installed plates, cups, 2600 lb bags and the control arms are still about 1-1.5" off the ground? I have 3" drop spindles, 245-40-20 tires, I assumed I'd be able to get the control arms on the ground or at least very close. It looks like the bag is just bottomed out, shocks not holding it up either. Ideas? __________________ Adam That's why they call it a shortcut Kyle, if it was easy it would just be the way. 86 c-10 SWB 85 CCSB 90 GMC K30 Crew SRW 1985 C30 Dually Last edited by cochino12; 07-24-2010 at 04:42 PM.

07-24-2010, 06:58 PM	#2
kunzy420 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Eastlake,Ohio Posts: 26	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Did you try cutting your cups down a hair? Ive read about people taking 1" to 1.5" off

07-24-2010, 09:10 PM	#3
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... What cups are you running? Have you checked the bump stops? Are your tires hitting the fender liners? With a 3" spindle, Ride Tech cups, and the fender liners removed, my 82 Blazer would lay the A-arms hard. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

07-24-2010, 09:11 PM	#4
cochino12 It followed me home? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Yup Posts: 5,751	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... It looks like if I take any more off the cup the bag is going to rub on the LCA. Actually it looks like bag is just bottomed out, damn I was hoping it would be an inch or two lower. I may have to pull the LCA and weld in a pipe so I can lose the cups. __________________ Adam That's why they call it a shortcut Kyle, if it was easy it would just be the way. 86 c-10 SWB 85 CCSB 90 GMC K30 Crew SRW 1985 C30 Dually

07-24-2010, 10:04 PM	#5
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... You can do that if you like, but it's not necessary. You are hitting somewhere. Attached Images __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

07-25-2010, 10:03 AM	#7
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... I "think" the Ride Tech cups are shorter so that might make a difference. The upper plates do bring the bag as far to the outside as possible. Attached Images __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

07-25-2010, 04:40 PM	#9
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07-26-2010, 10:24 AM	#11
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07-26-2010, 02:53 PM	#13
PBFAB.COM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Mesa,Az Posts: 3,981	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Have you actually removed the shocks yet to make sure they aren't holding her up? Sometimes they can look like they aren't restricting the amount of dump... I would remove them just to test it out. Even with the cups at the height you requested you should be lower than that. __________________ www.PorterbuiltFabrication.com Phone: 480-297-2621 E-mail: sales@pbfab.com Find us on FaceBook under Porterbuilt Fabrication Specializing in Chassis and Suspension Components for your Classic Chevrolet Truck. We offer components from the following manufacturers: Porterbuilt Accuair Ridetech (Air Ride Technologies) Air Lift Wilwood Intro Unisteer ECE Gotta Show Air Lift Borgeson CPP Supporting this forum since 2003!

07-26-2010, 06:20 PM	#15
dv8customs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,047	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... I would say that ball joint is maxed out...

07-26-2010, 07:11 PM	#17
dv8customs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,047	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Got a picture of your cups? I just looked back at some of my old pics and with 3" spindles and a 29" tire my arms werent at that extreme of an angle.

07-26-2010, 08:48 PM	#19
dv8customs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,047	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Ooops... I just realized that picture was after I Z'd the frame. Either way, you seem to have another issue.

07-26-2010, 09:22 PM	#20
kev2809 low n' slo Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: rosenberg, texas Posts: 5,177	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... ya that bj seems ridiculous, i dont think mine get close to that angle. __________________ 67 1/2 ton Suburban - Project DRGNWGN. Build thread -_--_--_ _________ _--_-_ -/____\|__\|__\__ ,.,,,.,.,,.,\|_O _______ O_]

07-26-2010, 10:05 PM	#21
cochino12 It followed me home? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Yup Posts: 5,751	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... ideas? suggestions? __________________ Adam That's why they call it a shortcut Kyle, if it was easy it would just be the way. 86 c-10 SWB 85 CCSB 90 GMC K30 Crew SRW 1985 C30 Dually Last edited by cochino12; 07-26-2010 at 10:06 PM.

07-27-2010, 03:16 PM	#22
blime81 Laid Lo Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oceanside CA Posts: 277	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Just thinking out loud here but do you have any shims in your upper control arm? The BJ angle is way to much. Probably whats holding you up and even if its not it should be corrected. __________________ Semper Fi, Jeff '72 C10 - lays frame '07 Sand Rail - ecotec powered '05 2500HD - tows stuff '67 VW Bug - gas saver '01 Jeep TJ - rock crawler



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07-27-2010, 06:46 PM	#24
cochino12 It followed me home? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Yup Posts: 5,751	Re: Is something wrong here? thought I'd be lower... Damn, pulled all but one of the shims and it definitely has more -camber but it doesnt get any lower. Arrggghhhhh __________________ Adam That's why they call it a shortcut Kyle, if it was easy it would just be the way. 86 c-10 SWB 85 CCSB 90 GMC K30 Crew SRW 1985 C30 Dually

07-27-2010, 06:56 PM	#25
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