1977 Chevy C10 known as SharkBite

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Does your bracket allow the connection to the carb work properly or is the angle off? Where is the cable kinked? Is it near the firewall, carb, or in the middle? Got a picture?

I'm kicking myself in the butt right now because I didn't take a picture with it set up. The connection from the bracket forward works fine no issues. The cable gets kinked in the middle between the bracket and firewall.

I like the idea of using the bracket you showed me but I would hate to get it and get the same results from it you know? I did notice it was adjustable which I think that's the positive to it all.

[knomadd]

The adjustability of the bracket is nice, but depending on how severe the kink is, it might not help you. I looked at a few lokar cables on summit's website to see what they say about overall length and most say you'll need to measure from the firewall to the carb bracket and add about 2" extra length. This will allow for engine movement. I'm assuming it will bind pretty badly or even kink if you have way more than that (6" plus??)

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

The adjustability of the bracket is nice, but depending on how severe the kink is, it might not help you. I looked at a few lokar cables on summit's website to see what they say about overall length and most say you'll need to measure from the firewall to the carb bracket and add about 2" extra length. This will allow for engine movement. I'm assuming it will bind pretty badly or even kink if you have way more than that (6" plus??)

If you have the adjustable bracket on either your GTO or Truck could you snap a picture for me and post it up here please.

The kink is minor we have it narrowed down if it was shortened 1" overall in I would be fine, so if that adjustable bracket could solve that I would go that route because it's minor issue.

[knomadd]

You're lucky I live less than a mile from work. I ran home and snapped this pic.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

You're lucky I live less than a mile from work. I ran home and snapped this pic.

Duane your the man!! Now on whichever vehicle that's from you have the same set up as me with the carb and intake right?

[knomadd]

I want you to know that I did not install this. I really don't like how it looks and I think it was a bit rushed when the PO put it together. I mean, who puts the return spring forward of the carb, instead of back toward the firewall? Oh, and it doesn't have as much play in the cable as I think there should be. I'd say he has about an inch of extra cable. And the throttle kick down cable is at an angle.

Needless to say, I'll be fixing this later on down the line. It works though, so it's not high on my priority list.

[knomadd]

Originally Posted by 77ChevySharkBite

Duane your the man!! Now on whichever vehicle that's from you have the same set up as me with the carb and intake right?

It's on my C-10 and yes, I have the same setup as you.

[knomadd]

I have a factory throttle bracket on my GTO. It's MUCH different than aftermarket items so it wouldn't help you at all.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Sweet! Hince why you suggested the part to me

Okay now let me ask you this though how would you put the return spring towards the back of the firewall because I know for me I would have to cross over the throttle linkage and kick down. Now I'm not saying it's right but I know one of my friends on his dad's 76 that's how it's done and then a couple people on the forum has done it this way as well.

[knomadd]

Hmm... You know... I don't have a good suggestion with the bracket I have. I don't see a good place to connect it on the bracket, or the throttle lever. Not sure what brand it is though.

The link I posted earlier has a small piece that points downward near the throttle cable connection point. The return spring could connect to one of the two holes in that bracket, but I'm not certain how you would connect it to the throttle lever on the carb.

The return spring on my GTO (using edelbrock 1405 carb) has a vacuum kickdown for the trans so the lower hole in the throttle lever is open... that's where the return spring is connected, then back to the throttle bracket.

[knomadd]

Here's what I'd plan on using. Check out the instructions for this throttle cable. It shows the bracket with the kick down connection. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lo...a/instructions

Keep in mind that this only works with the lokar throttle and kick down cables, not OEM.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Hmm... You know... I don't have a good suggestion with the bracket I have. I don't see a good place to connect it on the bracket, or the throttle lever. Not sure what brand it is though.

The link I posted earlier has a small piece that points downward near the throttle cable connection point. The return spring could connect to one of the two holes in that bracket, but I'm not certain how you would connect it to the throttle lever on the carb.

The return spring on my GTO (using edelbrock 1405 carb) has a vacuum kickdown for the trans so the lower hole in the throttle lever is open... that's where the return spring is connected, then back to the throttle bracket.

Yeah well initially that's what I was going to do myself until my friend kind of explained the purpose of the kick down so I then said I'll keep the kick down.

Maybe that's something I'll be able to figure out for us because I'm not going to lie I don't care for it in the front too much, of course as a temporary hold that's what I'm going to do but I rather have it facing the back as well but there's got to be a way to do it.

I like your kick down bracket from I think it's a 700r4? I need to get something like that.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Here's what I'd plan on using. Check out the instructions for this throttle cable. It shows the bracket with the kick down connection. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lo...a/instructions

Keep in mind that this only works with the lokar throttle and kick down cables, not OEM.

That's sharp definitely going to look waaaaaay better.

[knomadd]

I've got it...

You can make a bracket that mounts to the back side of the throttle lever at the transmission kick down stud. Similar to the small bracket (flat piece) in this picture. The large hole is for the kick down stud and the small hole would be for the spring. I'm sure you could use all kinds of things to accomplish the same task. It just needs to be strong enough not to bend or tare out from spring tension.

[77ChevySharkBite]

You Duane, are an absolute genius!

That sounds just about right. Well correct me if I wrong, but instead of having like that big bulky side piece if you just fabbed up something like the top half and then just drilled a hole in the correct spot that could work too huh?

[knomadd]

I'm not sure I'm following you. Please explain... maybe I've used up all my genius for the day

[77ChevySharkBite]

instead of say using that whole piece right there, just use what you need and trim the rest that make sense?

And since you would be using the hole given where the kick down would go just drill another hole big enough to put the kick down cable through but put it lower than the original one.

Obviously you would need a spot to put the return spring so then just take a drill put a small hole for your return spring then bam! Done!

Does any of that make sense or am I trying to think like a genius just not one?

[knomadd]

Are you thinking about adding a small hole to the throttle lever on the carb? That could work if it's in a good spot to give the spring some leverage. If you're thinking about moving the trans kick down further down, you'd be adding more to the throttle lever... same concept with the little eyelet idea for the return spring... If i'm understanding you correctly. This is why I like pictures Hard to explain in words.

If you're talking about the throttle cable bracket in the picture I posted, I'm wondering if you're seeing it correctly. The oblong hole at the top of the pic is to mount the bracket to the carb. The 3 holes in-line with each other are for the throttle cable (largest hole) a bolt hole for another trans kick-down bracket (middle hole-kick down bracket not shown) and the return spring hole (bottom hole).

EDIT: oh, and this bracket is for the lokar style throttle cable. Not sure how you'd mount a factory throttle cable to this.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Are you thinking about adding a small hole to the throttle lever on the carb? That could work if it's in a good spot to give the spring some leverage. If you're thinking about moving the trans kick down further down, you'd be adding more to the throttle lever... same concept with the little eyelet idea for the return spring... If i'm understanding you correctly. This is why I like pictures Hard to explain in words.

If you're talking about the throttle cable bracket in the picture I posted, I'm wondering if you're seeing it correctly. The oblong hole at the top of the pic is to mount the bracket to the carb. The 3 holes in-line with each other are for the throttle cable (largest hole) a bolt hole for another trans kick-down bracket (middle hole-kick down bracket not shown) and the return spring hole (bottom hole).

EDIT: oh, and this bracket is for the lokar style throttle cable. Not sure how you'd mount a factory throttle cable to this.

failed attempt at being a genius

Yeah I don't think I understand your picture right, I was thinking that screw with the bolt would go into the existing hole of the kick down cable, and the other were holes for misc items that's why I was thinking you could fab up something using mostly stock components or using the components that already came on the edelbrock carb. I wonder though if I could actually fab up something like I just mentioned in the sentence before this one, what you think?

[knomadd]

You can always try. If it works, great... if not, continue on the path you're on... new bracket and/or cable. No harm in trying.

EDIT: that screw you were looking at is supposed to help keep the bracket from rotating on the carb stud, since that's the only location it mounts to the engine.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Cool well looks like I get to learn how to weld then this will be fun

I think I'm going to try and take the Lokar's idea but of course improvise it a little bit so we shall see how things turn out.

Thanks for all the help today Duane! You rock bro!

[knomadd]

Here's the spectre bracket at advance for $15. Might be hard to make one for less. Considering your time and materials, welding etc. Just an idea.
Spectre Bracket The website says it has to be ordered online though.

And a Mr. Gasket bracket at Oreilly's for $20. Mr. Gasket Bracket My local store has this in stock.

[knomadd]

Let me suggest, if you're going to attempt to make your own bracket, try to put your idea on a piece of card stock, or poster board or something like that so it has a bit of rigidity but still easy to fold and cut. Cardboard will work, but use a cereal box or something, not a shipping box.

figure out where you want your bends and how you want it shaped, mark your bends and holes in ink, then flatten it out and trace it on a piece of metal (steel, aluminum, stainless, whatever you want) and bend it where you put your marks on the cardboard. Drill your holes, and mount it. Much easier than trying to weld everything together.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Here's the spectre bracket at advance for $15. Might be hard to make one for less. Considering your time and materials, welding etc. Just an idea.
Spectre Bracket The website says it has to be ordered online though.

And a Mr. Gasket bracket at Oreilly's for $20. Mr. Gasket Bracket My local store has this in stock.

Were not seeing eye to eye on that

For the throttle cable bracket that's what I'm actually going to buy, what I'm going to try and attempt to make is a custom kick down/return spring bracket to have the return spring at the back instead of the front that does that make sense?

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Let me suggest, if you're going to attempt to make your own bracket, try to put your idea on a piece of card stock, or poster board or something like that so it has a bit of rigidity but still easy to fold and cut. Cardboard will work, but use a cereal box or something, not a shipping box.

figure out where you want your bends and how you want it shaped, mark your bends and holes in ink, then flatten it out and trace it on a piece of metal (steel, aluminum, stainless, whatever you want) and bend it where you put your marks on the cardboard. Drill your holes, and mount it. Much easier than trying to weld everything together.

Oh yeah I watch plenty of people mark there cuts and brackets where a bend should be so I'm going to make sure if I fab something up I'm going to do it right the first time.