Front end question for 59 Apache

[72steel]

I just bought a 59 apache and it is in great shape. I want to update the front end to something new. I do not like the way it drives with the ORIGINAL front end and leaf springs. What kind of front end can be put on to have a smoother ride and better steering. Also, on my way driving it home last night, the brake pedal became almost impossible to push down and hardly budged with alot of pressure from my foot. What happened? it was fine for the first 25 miles then it happened and was hard to stop. Any input would be great. This truck is awesome but I want it to have a smoother ride.

[entourageguy]

Welcome to another 4 lighter

A quick search thru the posts will find a variety of updates for the front end. Guys have used camaro front clips or updated with a new cross member and rack and pinion. Lots of different brands as well.

Brakes could be a few different problems. Does the truck have original brakes or have they been updated? Problems could be from flex lines breaking down or even a faulty master.

Brian ...

ps we like pictures

[72steel]

Thanks for the input. After I posted, I did the search for the front ends. I just wanted to know a specific front end that I could use. The brakes have been replaced and are not original but they are still drums. The rear end is off a Nova, i think. The front end is original. The entire truck was redone but the guy kept alot of the original parts. The frame is in great shape and the interior has been customized to include electric seats and windows. I will be posting pics this week sometime. We plan on getting it repainted, I dont know what this guy was thinking when he painted it but it will be changed. Currently it is 2 tone Red and gold/bronze. I am not a fan of it. We are looking to go bright Yellow.

As far as the problem with the brakes, do you think a vaccum hose slipped off for the power brakes? I haven't gotten around to looking at it yet. The guy I bought it off of said that could be what happened. I did hear a swoosh sound right when they started to act up.

[entourageguy]

The sound could be from a vacuum leak. Where is the master cylinder under the cab or is it firewall mounted? Check the hose from the power brake booster. Usually runs to the base of the carb at the rear.
Yellow is a good colour for a 59 by the way.

Brian ...

[72steel]

well, we worked on the truck after stuffing our faces full of turkey instead of napping. we checked the master cylinder vaccum hose for leaks. The master cylinder is firewall mounted. we couldnt find the leak there but maybe we overlooked something? when we pulled the plug out of the master cylinder and put our finger over the hose, the breaks worked ok. But when I put it back in, its the same old story and now the truck stalls out when I push the brake pedal down??? We couldnt find any leaky hoses anywhere. I have no idea what it could be. the truck idles great, I am aware that I need to replace the carburator. The engine is a 1978 350. The carburator definately needs replaced. The steering box looks to have been fabricated by someone and seems shaky. When I turn the wheel, the whole steering box seems loose (like moving around as if bolts loose) but I tried to tighten the bolts and they wouldnt budge. i decided to go with the Mustang II IFS System to replace the whole deal. When I replace the carb, I plan on getting a hi-rise manifold for it.

My main concern is why I can't find the vaccum leak?? Or if by hitting the brakes and the truck stalls, what can that be?

That color yellow is exactly what we are going for, what is it called? Also, if I get the Mustang II, will I need need to get new wheels, I currently have 6 bolt. I am obviously new to truck restoration and have many questions that some may seem dumb but I gotta learn somewhere.

Thanks for your input and the pics are coming, It was nasty, cold and rainy today and pics wouldn't do it any justice. I spend alot of time inspecting underneath the truck today and am very please at what I saw. I have a great truck with a solid frame, all new wiring and generally really clean except for the front end.

[orgalmeister]

Sounds like a bad brake booster. Go to www.mpbrakes.com and look up the trouble shooting guide. If you go MM11 you will go to 5 lug wheels unless you get the discs custom bored for 6 lug. You stated you thought the truck had a Nova rearend that is a 5 lug...if you got 6 then I'm guessing you still have the truck rear.

[72steel]

thanks, do you think the brake booster is related to the truck stalling when I press the brake pedal?

also, the rear is 6 lug, what do i need to do to make the rear a 5 lug?

also, where can i get wheels like the photo shown above? I am going for the same exact look.

eric

[orgalmeister]

It very could be related...Vacuum issues.

If your going with a MM11 then "I" would change the rear also. Better ratios, disc brakes... many choices here so search around.

The wheels on Brian's/entourgeguy are Chevy/Corvette rally wheels available from various sources...Wheel Vintiques is one.

[entourageguy]

I would imagine if the diaphram is broken inside the booster when you put on the brakes it creates a huge vacuum leak.
Brian ...

[Daniel U]

I agree with Brian. The vacuum leak is related to the truck stalling. If you're going to replace the front end, replace the master cylinder and booster as well. I always go for saftey before performance. With the Must.II front end get the Chevy 5 lug disc and look for a GM rear with disc. Probably somthing 80's and newer. I have a 10 bolt out of an 87 F body (Camaro/Firebird) with 3:73 ratio. Good luck and post pics soon! Daniel U

[72steel]

OK Guys, I finally took some pics. I had a long day of cruisin salvage yards and buying stuff. I got my Holley Carb and Edelbrock Hi-Rise manifold today. I also found some wheels that I cleaned up and painted to hold me over until I get what I want. I replaced the brake boost check valve today and it seemed to help and the truck didn't stall when i pushed the brakes. My friend is coming over tomorrow (Sunday) to help install the carb and manifold. The Mustang II should be arriving this week with the new chrome steering column and steering wheel. Enjoy the pics, I really do not like this color scheme so when I get the body finished you can be assured that it will change to bright yellow. Let me know what you think.








What kind of center wheel caps, if any can i put on these wheels (above)??? I am aware that the ones on the right are 6 lug. I got those to use until I replace the rear end. I did buy 2 5 lugs for the rear as well.

[72steel]

bump. hey guys, you all wanted photos so I added them and no one is looking!!

Have any of you had any problems with re-mounting the throttle body cables after putting in a new carb and manifold. I had to buy a mounting kit that I will be installing tonight. So far so good on the mods, it is taking longer than expected on it but I added new valve covers since I was in there. Anyone have any input on headers that will fit in there on my 78 350 or should I just replace the exhaust manifolds with new ones when I upgrade the exhaust system? and

[Atomsplitter]

I got these centre caps with my truck.

[Daniel U]

Originally Posted by 72steel

bump. hey guys, you all wanted photos so I added them and no one is looking!!

Have any of you had any problems with re-mounting the throttle body cables after putting in a new carb and manifold. I had to buy a mounting kit that I will be installing tonight. So far so good on the mods, it is taking longer than expected on it but I added new valve covers since I was in there. Anyone have any input on headers that will fit in there on my 78 350 or should I just replace the exhaust manifolds with new ones when I upgrade the exhaust system? and

Nice looking truck. I have to agree with you on the paint scheme. Did you get the vacuum leak fixed? I used a Sanderson cast header with the ceramic coating on it:
http://www.sandersonheaders.com/prod...products_id=67

[72steel]

Those headers are nice. I might have to go that route when the time comes. Thanks for the input.

Its tooo cold to work on the truck this evening. I wont know if we fixed the vacuum leak until we hook up the throttle cable and finish the carb installation. I think that the old carb was shot and wasn't doing its job. I should know after Saturday. We found out why the steering was so bad, it was a sh!tty fabrication job and the bolts are really loose. We are going to address that when the Mustang II comes in. Should be next week.

Will those kind of caps fit on the wheels in my pics? and yeah, isn't that the worst color scheme you have ever seen!

[tiggerstoy]

thats one sweet ride, i like the way your going on it, and it will look great yellow.

[Daniel U]

Originally Posted by 72steel

Those headers are nice. I might have to go that route when the time comes. Thanks for the input.

Its tooo cold to work on the truck this evening. I wont know if we fixed the vacuum leak until we hook up the throttle cable and finish the carb installation. I think that the old carb was shot and wasn't doing its job. I should know after Saturday. We found out why the steering was so bad, it was a sh!tty fabrication job and the bolts are really loose. We are going to address that when the Mustang II comes in. Should be next week.

Will those kind of caps fit on the wheels in my pics? and yeah, isn't that the worst color scheme you have ever seen!

So a new front end! COOL!Where did you get the steel wheels in the pics?

[b.sharp]

The caps on his truck are for the car rally's you have 4x4 truck rally's you can use the bolt on covers for the rear that have a chevy emblem and can be bought from LMC or any chevy aftermarket place. They take three bolts to hold them on. Looks good. I wish I could start mine up and drive it. It's also a '58 swb fleetside apache.

[72steel]

Well, finally finished the hi rise manifold and holley carb, I had to make some other adjustments and we fired her right up and runs great. We tightened the bolts to the steering column to get me by until the Mustang II shows up. We went for a ride and it was smoooooth. Then, when we got home.....psssssssssss! the damn radiator sprung a nasty leak in the top left. Now I have to replace it. It is too far gone. I have found a brand new one as low as $239 in the LMC catalog. Does anyone know of another source with a better price. Also, the gas pedal seems to be too close to the firewall, when I depress the pedal, I only get 2/3 of output. Is there an aftermarket pedal that is shaped so I can actually get full acceleration? Or will I have to fabricate it myself. Has anyone else had this problem?

[72steel]

Originally Posted by Daniel U

So a new front end! COOL!Where did you get the steel wheels in the pics?

I found them in a junkyard then sanded and painted them. I think I overpaid for them though, $25 each. Do you have a link to the exact kind of center hubs that will fit in there. I really don't understand how they fit. I have never dealt with those before.

[Daniel U]

I'd start by finding out what kind of wheels they are, and go from there. I got wheels from my parents '77 Olds and took a chrome cone and centered it over the olds emblem.

I may use these when I'm done:

[CAL 58 GMC]

Originally Posted by 72steel

Well, finally finished the hi rise manifold and holley carb, I had to make some other adjustments and we fired her right up and runs great. We tightened the bolts to the steering column to get me by until the Mustang II shows up. We went for a ride and it was smoooooth. Then, when we got home.....psssssssssss! the damn radiator sprung a nasty leak in the top left. Now I have to replace it. It is too far gone. I have found a brand new one as low as $239 in the LMC catalog. Does anyone know of another source with a better price. Also, the gas pedal seems to be too close to the firewall, when I depress the pedal, I only get 2/3 of output. Is there an aftermarket pedal that is shaped so I can actually get full acceleration? Or will I have to fabricate it myself. Has anyone else had this problem?

Hey 72steel, I don't thank your going to find a radiator much cheaper then from LMC. I bought mine from them and it works great. It runs around 200° during the summer when it was 110° out side with just water and no coolant. Make sure to get the heavy duty one.

[xakk]

Originally Posted by Daniel U

I may use these when I'm done:

So what year is the Vette?

[Daniel U]

70's, not mine though. Just snapped a quick pic for a photo shop request.

[72steel]

my Mustang II front end came today with the Chrome Steering column and steering wheel from Ididit. I am so pumped to get this installed. Don;t worry, guys, I will have pictures.

Has anyone had any unforseen issues arrise while installing a new mustang II front end into a 59? or is it pretty much smooth sailing...