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staggerd86c-10 · 11-28-2009, 12:01 AM

I was wondering you guys with flip kits how many leafs do you have in your pack? I currently have 4 leafs left cause i took a few out trying to get my truck where i wanted it and im afraid to take anymore out so im just going to do a flip but am i too late, do i need a new spring pack or will the flip still work with just 4 leafs in the pack?

Driveway Dreams · 11-28-2009, 12:21 AM

I think you will be VERY low. I think Aaron (flamingbig10) had removed leafs and put them back because it was too low and too soft. I think it was him.

SCOTI · 11-28-2009, 12:22 AM

Fewer leafs will lessen the payload capacity while dropping the truck....

Mine is the HD spring pack w/8-leafs. When doing the flip-kit, the more leafs in the pack, the greater the drop. 5-leaf packs typically yield 5" drop; 8-leaf packs yield 6" drop.

Ceeten · 11-28-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI

Mine is the HD spring pack w/8-leafs. When doing the flip-kit, the more leafs in the pack, the greater the drop. 5-leaf packs typically yield 5" drop; 8-leaf packs yield 6" drop.

I don't think so. The axle sits on the top leaf.

**N2TRUX** · 11-28-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceeten

I don't think so. The axle sits on the top leaf.

Did you notice the topic was about "flip kits"? That puts the springs under the axle.

SCOTI · 11-28-2009, 11:33 AM

Ok.

Please explain why trucks w/more leafs in the pack yield more drop when installing a flip kit.

STOCKISH · 11-28-2009, 03:12 PM

I have 4 leafs in mine with a flip kit. No issues with mine so far.

flamingbig10 · 11-28-2009, 04:26 PM

It was me Gerald
flip kit with 3 leafs and drop shackles

flip kit with 3 leafs

flip kit with 5 leafs

flip kit with 5 leafs and drop shackles

Ceeten · 11-29-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by N2TRUX

Did you notice the topic was about "flip kits"? That puts the springs under the axle.

Yea I noticed, and that's what I said. The axle sits on the top leaf.

Ceeten · 11-29-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTI

Ok.

Please explain why trucks w/more leafs in the pack yield more drop when installing a flip kit.

They don't. I don't care of you run 13 leaf packs. See the pics above for an example. The axle sits ABOVE the TOP leaf. The amount of leaves under the top leaf only makes the pack stiffer.

low86c10 · 11-29-2009, 07:13 PM

i got 4 leafs and flip kit and it was a 6" drop

Twitchin R&C · 11-29-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceeten

They don't. I don't care of you run 13 leaf packs. See the pics above for an example. The axle sits ABOVE the TOP leaf. The amount of leaves under the top leaf only makes the pack stiffer.

yes ceeten we all understand the concept of a flip kit moving the axle on top of the leaf spring pack. but i dont think you understand what scoti and n2trux were talking about. here is a crude diagram that shows how the number of leaves in a pack would affect how much drop will be gained while using a flip kit. on the left is a pack with five leaves which would get you about 5 inches lower than the stock axle location. on the right is the monstrous pack you have spoken about with thirteen leaves. you can see that there is a much larger drop from the stock axle position. probably around 10 inches. so yes, the amount of leaves does affect the amount of drop gained from a flip kit.

bagged74 · 11-29-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceeten

The axle sits on the top leaf.

Precisely!!

bigblock73 · 11-29-2009, 10:55 PM

Ceeten, you are missing the point.

Twitchin, LOVIN the 13 leaf pack in your illustration!

KQQL IT · 11-29-2009, 10:56 PM

Mine is flipped with 3 leafs from a light duty. It sits the same as it did with 7 leaf heavy duty pack. The lighter spring pack seems to have alot more arch to it.

KQQL IT · 11-29-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigblock73

Ceeten, you are missing the point.

Twitchin, LOVIN the 13 leaf pack in your illustration!

Can you feel the frustration lmao...

Twitchin R&C · 11-29-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bigblock73

Ceeten, you are missing the point.

Twitchin, LOVIN the 13 leaf pack in your illustration!

why thank you

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Originally Posted by KQQL IT

Can you feel the frustration lmao...

i just couldnt help myself. it had to be done.

**N2TRUX** · 11-29-2009, 11:30 PM

Ok guys lets go easy on Ceeten here.

I can see why you think it doesn't have an impact. In the stock location with the springs above the axle, removing leafs lowers the truck for two reasons.

The first one is static drop. By subtracting the thickness of the spring you know that the truck will be xx amount lower.

At some point removing leaves also reduces the spring rate enough for the secondary means comes to play. By removing xx springs from the pack you will get approximately xx amount of drop.

Now look at that same formula when applied to a flip kit. You are correct that it will no longer lower the truck by means of static displacement.

This will however still have the same impact on the amount of drop that the reduced spring rate has accomplished.

That drop will be combined with the total drop that the flip kit provides.

Did that help?

Ceeten · 11-30-2009, 02:23 AM

LOL. We were talking about two different things. I see what you guy's are saying. I was under the impression that they were saying that you could get the truck lower by stacking leaves.

Twitchin R&C · 11-30-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceeten

LOL. We were talking about two different things. I see what you guy's are saying. I was under the impression that they were saying that you could get the truck lower by stacking leaves.

well there you go. sorry to anybody who thought i was coming off as rude. i was just tryin to explain a concept i thought to be rather simple. and here i am gettin all worked up when ceeten isnt even talkin about the same thing. sheesh.

Ceeten · 11-30-2009, 02:13 PM

It's all good man! No worries! I feel like an idiot.

11-28-2009, 12:01 AM	#1
staggerd86c-10 Squarebody Aficionado Join Date: May 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 713	Flip Kits I was wondering you guys with flip kits how many leafs do you have in your pack? I currently have 4 leafs left cause i took a few out trying to get my truck where i wanted it and im afraid to take anymore out so im just going to do a flip but am i too late, do i need a new spring pack or will the flip still work with just 4 leafs in the pack?

11-28-2009, 12:21 AM	#2
Driveway Dreams I have car A.D.D. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greeley, Northern Colorado Posts: 4,147	Re: Flip Kits I think you will be VERY low. I think Aaron (flamingbig10) had removed leafs and put them back because it was too low and too soft. I think it was him. __________________ -Gerald Building vehicles in memory of the first "car guy" I ever knew, my Grandpa. Bob Dunham 1935-2009. Rest in peace. 61 GMC Suburban SOLD The 86 build thread SOLD Are you a Colorado member?Click here.

11-28-2009, 12:22 AM	#3
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 22,068	Re: Flip Kits Fewer leafs will lessen the payload capacity while dropping the truck.... Mine is the HD spring pack w/8-leafs. When doing the flip-kit, the more leafs in the pack, the greater the drop. 5-leaf packs typically yield 5" drop; 8-leaf packs yield 6" drop. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.* Last edited by SCOTI; 11-28-2009 at 12:23 AM.

11-28-2009, 11:33 AM	#6
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 22,068	Re: Flip Kits Ok. Please explain why trucks w/more leafs in the pack yield more drop when installing a flip kit. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

11-28-2009, 03:12 PM	#7
STOCKISH Formerly- 1972SuperCheyenne Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wake Forest NC Posts: 5,782	Re: Flip Kits I have 4 leafs in mine with a flip kit. No issues with mine so far. __________________ --Josh My Build Thread:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=799218 A good crossthread is better than Loctite any day. Life is not about what you have, but who you have to share it with. Last edited by STOCKISH; 11-28-2009 at 03:56 PM.

11-28-2009, 04:26 PM	#8
flamingbig10 6.0 powered square Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mesquite texas Posts: 3,459	Re: Flip Kits It was me Gerald flip kit with 3 leafs and drop shackles flip kit with 3 leafs flip kit with 5 leafs flip kit with 5 leafs and drop shackles __________________ Aaron 1980 c-10 short bed lowered, cammed 6.0, 4l80e 3600 stall, smp tune, wilwoods, and flames best time so far best et 7.86 @87 on motor 7.57 90 on a 75 shot Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=283326 Last edited by flamingbig10; 11-30-2009 at 03:08 PM.

11-29-2009, 07:13 PM	#11
low86c10 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: louisville, Ky Posts: 105	Re: Flip Kits i got 4 leafs and flip kit and it was a 6" drop

11-29-2009, 10:55 PM	#14
bigblock73 yeller Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 13,824	Re: Flip Kits Ceeten, you are missing the point. Twitchin, LOVIN the 13 leaf pack in your illustration! __________________ Jeff 73-87.com 73-87.com Facebook page 73-87 cab corner 6x9 speaker brackets for sale 67-72 cab corner speaker brackets for sale 47-54 cab corner speaker brackets for sale

11-29-2009, 10:56 PM	#15
KQQL IT At the body shop. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of fruits and nuts. Posts: 5,257	Re: Flip Kits Mine is flipped with 3 leafs from a light duty. It sits the same as it did with 7 leaf heavy duty pack. The lighter spring pack seems to have alot more arch to it. __________________ " That didnt make it any newer " " Dont antique the equipment "

11-29-2009, 11:30 PM	#18
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: Flip Kits Ok guys lets go easy on Ceeten here. I can see why you think it doesn't have an impact. In the stock location with the springs above the axle, removing leafs lowers the truck for two reasons. The first one is static drop. By subtracting the thickness of the spring you know that the truck will be xx amount lower. At some point removing leaves also reduces the spring rate enough for the secondary means comes to play. By removing xx springs from the pack you will get approximately xx amount of drop. Now look at that same formula when applied to a flip kit. You are correct that it will no longer lower the truck by means of static displacement. This will however still have the same impact on the amount of drop that the reduced spring rate has accomplished. That drop will be combined with the total drop that the flip kit provides. Did that help? __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

11-30-2009, 02:23 AM	#19
Ceeten Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Jay, Fl Posts: 126	Re: Flip Kits LOL. We were talking about two different things. I see what you guy's are saying. I was under the impression that they were saying that you could get the truck lower by stacking leaves.

11-30-2009, 02:13 PM	#21
Ceeten Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Jay, Fl Posts: 126	Re: Flip Kits It's all good man! No worries! I feel like an idiot.

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