what do i need to lay frame?

[ooimpalaoo]

what do i need to lay frame front and back,i would like to use my stock Arms up front but will cup them and also if i can my stock arms out back, if i have 2.5" drop spindles cupped lower A arms and bags out front/and out back i step notch with bags and drop blocks will i lay frame? what hight step do i need to do this?

[ooimpalaoo]

oh ya i will be on 15" steel wheels

[502ms]

What is your budget?
There are two ways to go about it...
Zee the front end, 4-link rear, c-notch...

Or drop members from Porterbuilt Hot Rods
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[Dano69c10]

$$$$$$...



Just joking, but I agree with 502ms.

[N2TRUX]

ooimpalaoo what you really should do is put all your questions in one post rather. From what I have gathered you have a low budget and your wanting to lay frame. You also mentioned you want to lat pinch so thats yet another can of worms since laying frame will not get your pinch on the ground.

Focus on what your "obtainable" goal is and we will be glad to offer advice.

[ooimpalaoo]

no i just want to lay frame now

[ooimpalaoo]

and yes i want to Z my spare frame..what hight do i need the step in the back?

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by ooimpalaoo

and yes i want to Z my spare frame..what hight do i need the step in the back?

Originally Posted by ooimpalaoo

i dont know what i require ive never done this and i dont know what it is im doing lol i want to lay frame and pos lay pinch so im guessing i need a step notch ad bags in the rear..as far as the front goes im going to Z it and cup the lowers and drop spindles if i need as well as bags...i dont know was just going to roll with it ...been looking on here and it seams like whatever hight i make the step i can just add cups under the bags or no cups and blocks if needed...what am i doing? its a spare frame but if all goes well ill be useing it so i would like all to go well

Originally Posted by SCOTI

There are 2 possible ways to determine what you want to know: #1) educated calculations from measuring; or #2) guessing.

For option #1, if the truck is rolling/assembled, you need to know the difference in height between the lower edge of the frame rail @ a point under the cab vs. the lower edge of the frame rail directly above the rear axle centerline as measured from the ground. If it's a bare chassis, strip the frame to the rails. Set it on the ground so the rails where the cab is positioned are flat on the floor & get a measurement from the ground to the bottom edge of the frame rail where the rear axle centerline would be. You need to know the height difference between these 2 points so you can plan for the necessary height required for the step notch.

Add 2.5" to the radius of the tire OD that you want to run (1.5" = 1/2 the axle tube above center; 1" = enough height for a bumpstop above the tube; 1.5" + 1" = 2.5"). Knowing this tells you how tall the frame rail needs to be built to clear that tire OD combo. Once you've done the 'homework', simple math from where the frame is when on the ground (stock) to where it needs to be (laid-out) tells you how tall it needs to be built for your application.

I cant tell you about option #2 as I don't have much experience with it.

I'm curious though.... What welding & fabrication experience do you have?

What numbers did you come up with following the provided suggestions?

[ooimpalaoo]

cool thanx for the info

[ooimpalaoo]

ill look it all over and try and map it out the run it past you just to see if it looks right to you ..this will be a first for me.

[ooimpalaoo]

can i lay frame with the stock trailing arms? or do i need to make some that go outside the frame?

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by ooimpalaoo

can i lay frame with the stock trailing arms? or do i need to make some that go outside the frame?

You could use Porterbuilts truck arms in the stock location & lay frame if the rest of the set-up supports it. Factory arms would require too much spacing & be dangerous because of scrub-line issues using 15" wheels.

[ooimpalaoo]

ok but i think i read on this site that having the arms and bags on the outside of the frame rides better is this true?

[502ms]

Originally Posted by ooimpalaoo

ok but i think i read on this site that having the arms and bags on the outside of the frame rides better is this true?

Rides awesome on mine...that's how mine is setup.
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[SCOTI]

The ride would be about the same.

[andrewmp6]

The ride is more from the bags and shocks then anything.

[SCOTI]

The factory 2-link arrangement has less binding vs. the aftermarket 'outside the frame' set-ups.

[ooimpalaoo]

all good to know thanx again

[m6z]

lots of time or lots of money............

the more money you spend, the less time.