T5 Camaro

[i heart square bodys]

okay i realize that there is a thread to do this but my situation is slightly different due to the year of the truck.i have an 86 c10 i originally planned to run a built up 700r4 but grabbing gears seems like a great idea !! i want to get a t5 from a camaro and run a hydraulic clutch, someone please give me a step by step on this EVERRRYYTHING!

[wraprail]

ok so I put a T5 Camaro trans in my c10 ten or so years ago. Put 50k miles on it no problems. As long as you get the right one its an easy swap.
Sold that trans 6 months ago in favor of the T56 swap.
Using the same clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder on my T56.
First thing you have to do is find a transmission.
Has to be from a V8 and if you want it to last you need a WC (world class) T5.
This limits you to 89-92 Camaro Z28 or Iroc.
Let me know when you find one and I will post step by step instructions.
Good luck!
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[i heart square bodys]

Got one! buddy had in his garage! sorry about the typo i feel like an idiot :s
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[andrewmp6]

Make sure its from a camaro because they was a lot more common in mustangs.

[wraprail]

Mustang is a ford iirc, i doubt he could get the two mixed up
Lol
So i heart, does it still have the ID tag on it?
If so, go to this site and enter the ID tag.
See what you have exactly.
http://www.5speeds.com/t5/

Do you have the camaro bellhousing?
Slave cylinder?
You can use your stock truck crossmember if you want to or fab one. I used the stock 73-74 crossmember and just slid it back a couple inches and drilled new holes in the frame.
Use the camaro bell (which mounts the trans at a 17 degree angle) and use a stock truck auto trans mount.
Same driveshaft yoke as turbo 350, powerglide ect.
You will have to shorten it a few inches. I dont remember how much
I used (and still using) a 3/4 Wilwood master, mounted it where the speedo cable goes through the firewall.
But I also don't use power brakes so that may not work with a booster if you gota have one
I personally hate um. You ever heel-toe with power brakes? Lame
Ok dude, questions?
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[wraprail]

Just so you know what you are looking for, this is mine I sold a few months back
This is a WC from a 1990 Z28


The bellhousing and slave.



Clutch flywheel I ran


Just make sure you dont have a V6 T5
They are a dime a dozzen and junk. Cant use it behind a V8

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[i heart square bodys]

Originally Posted by wraprail

Mustang is a ford iirc, i doubt he could get the two mixed up
Lol
So i heart, does it still have the ID tag on it?
If so, go to this site and enter the ID tag.
See what you have exactly.
http://www.5speeds.com/t5/

Do you have the camaro bellhousing?
Slave cylinder?
You can use your stock truck crossmember if you want to or fab one. I used the stock 73-74 crossmember and just slid it back a couple inches and drilled new holes in the frame.
Use the camaro bell (which mounts the trans at a 17 degree angle) and use a stock truck auto trans mount.
Same driveshaft yoke as turbo 350, powerglide ect.
You will have to shorten it a few inches. I dont remember how much
I used (and still using) a 3/4 Wilwood master, mounted it where the speedo cable goes through the firewall.
But I also don't use power brakes so that may not work with a booster if you gota have one
I personally hate um. You ever heel-toe with power brakes? Lame
Ok dude, questions?
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I dont know if it still has the tag, i have yet to see it haha for the most part im just wondering if i can take all the camaro stuff minus the pedals and master, bolt it up and go
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[samstheman]

You should put the tailshaft from a truck t5 on that t5 trans the shifter will be in better locaction for truck . Don't forget to measure snout length in pilot bushing make it the same length as stock c10.

[lilpoindexter]

I used an '89 V8 Camaro trans, with an '83 S10 tailshaft, and rigged up some plastic gears on the output shaft to have a speedo. I used an '85 V8 truck bellhousing, because I wanted a hydraulic clutch, and rigged up an '85 master cylinder on my dash. If I did it again, I would have used my original '78 bellhousing, and just rebuilt the mechanical linkage. You have to use a spacer around the trans input bearing flange where it mates with the bellhousing, and you will need a new driveshaft. There's an excellent write up by a dude on here.

[i heart square bodys]

awesome ! so! the stock cross member will work. i just need a tail shaft out of an S10 and if i can get a bell housing from an 85 or newer truck along with the clutch pedal/master etc and put it on my engine along with this spacer, it should work ? oh and get my drive shaft modified of course

[i heart square bodys]

and by the output shaft you just mean the drive shaft yoke correct ?

[wraprail]

I have never seen this bellhousing spacer for sale. You probley gona have to have that made if you want to use a truck bellhousing (no idea why you would use a bellhousing that doesn't fit)
The S10 tailhousing would allow the trans to mount upright and not at a 17 degree angle but its gona put the shifter in the old grandpa position. If you have a bench seat that the way to go.
The Camaro shifter location is back and to the drivers side, perfect for bucket seats
You can also use any bellhousing that any muncie, saginaw or T10 four speed would use as the T5 has the same mounting dimensions. (not lenght)
My 1990 T5 had the electronic speedometer sender which I just swapped with the gear speedo drive out of my Muncie 4 speed
As far as driveshaft, you can use just about any general motors car driveshaft (not turbo 400 equipped) from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90,,
After I did my swap I measured what I needed for driveshaft length grabbed a tape measure and found one at pic-a-part that bolted in with no modifications needed

[i heart square bodys]

so if i use a camaro bell housing that means no dicking around with spacers ? haha

[Bo Duke]

Here's the S-10 to chevy bellhousing spacer
http://hamiltonintakes.com/products/...5-swap-adapter

If you use the Camaro trans, you don't need the spacer.

From all I have read, there is no difference in T5's whether they are from 4, 6, or 8 cyl. The only difference is WC and Non-WC.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=313954
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=482069
http://www.flatheadv8.org/ernie/ernie-t5.htm

[Twisted78SS]

Well that is not entirely true I'm afraid..

Here is a bit of info on the differences..

There were two generations of T-5 transmissions. All units used from beginning of production in 1982 until mid-1985 were referred to as "non-world class" or NWC. Non-world class versions had all-bronze synchro assemblies and used roller bearings to support the countershaft. In mid-1985, Ford began using the next generation T-5, called the "world class" or WC unit. These had numerous design improvements. First and second synchros were bearing and shaft assemblies rather than solid shafts in the non-world class, and the third and fourth synchro was a steel-reinforced unit with fiber-lined rings. Only fifth gear was still an all-bronze synchro. Both generation Ford T-5s used a 1-1/16-inch 10-spline input shaft diameter and a 28-spline output shaft. The 1983-92 GM T-5s that were coupled to V-8 engines have a 26-spline, 1-1/8-inch input shaft. The GM 4-cylinder and V-6 T-5s used the 3.52 through 4.03 ratios and were 1-inch, 14-spline input shafts. Later model F-Body world-class versions of the GM T-5s used the lower, 2.95 to 1 ratio gearbox and are the most sought-after for GM applications.
The non-world class T-5s were used in the following cars and trucks:
1982-85 AMC Spirit, Eagle, Concord
1982-96 Jeep CJ and XJ trucks
1982-85 Ford Mustang, Thunderbird
1983-87 Camaro, Firebird
1982-92 Chevy S/T-10 pickups, Blazers, Astro van
1982-83 Nissan 280ZX
1984-86 Nissan 300ZX
1984-86 Chevette and Pontiac T-1000 also used this unit; however, the countershaft bearings were smaller and the T-Body bellhousing was not interchangeable with any other GM models.
The more popular world-class units were used in these original vehicles:
Late 1985-96 Mustang/Cougar/Thunderbird
1988-96 Camaro and Firebird
1993-95 Chevy/GMC S/T series trucks
1994-96 Honda Passport
1991-97 Isuzu Rodeo
Note: 4-cylinder Ford 2.3-liter Turbo units as well as 1993-96 Cobra "Z-Spec" T-5s do not interchange directly, due to a difference in the input shaft bearings. The most important difference between the non-world class and the world-class transmissions is the torque rating. Later is better (or the higher the tag number). For example, 1983-89 Mustang units, both world class and non-world class, were rated at 265-lbs.ft. of torque. The 1990-93 versions were rated at 300-lbs.ft., and the 1993-96 Cobra "Z-Spec" T-5 was rated at 330-lbs.ft.
You should be looking for as complete a unit as possible, when searching the swap meets or salvage yards for these transmissions. On GM's crossmember, clutch master, clutch hose, and clutch slave cylinder should come with the unit to save time and plumbing. It would be even better if the starter and flywheel were still with the car; usually later-model starters are lighter and have higher torque. If converting from an automatic-equipped car to a manual, a clutch pedal from the donor car will also be needed, as well as the bellhousing. On Ford vehicles, hydraulics are not used, and a shift cable is employed in place of the clutch master and slave cylinders. Make sure to take this cable when buying parts off the donor car. Aftermarket clutch cables and crossmembers are available, if these parts cannot be found.
An identification tag number, which is on one of the mounting bolts on the tail case, can identify all T-5 manual 5-speeds. They all start with prefix 1352, and the next few digits will tell you what the unit came out of originally and what its shift ratio is. You can check any original tag number online at www.5speeds.com. Numbering series starts at 001 and runs as high as about 260. Borg-Warner sold the rights to the T-5 to Tremec in the late 1990s; however, there is no difference between the two manufacturers' production units, other than the name used in the castings.
Ratios depend on tag number, but most are in the 3.35 to 3.97:1 range. There are 2.95:1 units that were used in the late-model Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds. The 2.3 Turbo Fords used a few units that were 4.06:1. Speedometer drive gears were 6, 7 or 8 teeth, but may have to be changed, depending on engine and rear-end size in the transplant vehicle. Changing of the speedometer gear is a definite requirement when installing a transmission and V-8 unit in a 6-cylinder, and vice versa.
The Ford versions of the T-5 will adapt easily to the earlier Ford three- and four-speed manual bellhousings by an adapter plate which enlarges the metric mounting bosses to 1/2-inch diameter, and adds 3/4-inch in spacing. Installation of a T-5 into an earlier Ford product is fairly easy, because of the bellhousing similarities. You should make sure, however, that the proper flywheel is used, depending on the year of your engine. The 1981 and earlier Ford small-blocks used a 28-ounce imbalance, 157-tooth flywheel. Any of the small-block Fords newer than 1981 used a 50-ounce imbalance, 157-tooth flywheel. These should not be interchanged. Late-model T-5 bellhousings used on earlier Ford V-8 engines will bolt up, but the late-model fulcrum for the fork needs to be replaced with an early-style fulcrum installed on the inside of the housing to align the throw-out bearing fork. You can, of course, also use an aftermarket scatter shield for this changeover, eliminating these adapters.

And the thread mentioned I'm sure is either Brad's located here http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...43#post2967343

or Jocko's http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=482069

Originally Posted by Bo Duke

Here's the S-10 to chevy bellhousing spacer
http://hamiltonintakes.com/products/...5-swap-adapter

If you use the Camaro trans, you don't need the spacer.

From all I have read, there is no difference in T5's whether they are from 4, 6, or 8 cyl. The only difference is WC and Non-WC.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=313954
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=482069
http://www.flatheadv8.org/ernie/ernie-t5.htm

[Hook0215]

The T5 can come from a mustang, you just need the correct bellhousing. They were more plentiful in foxbody mustangs....a dime a dozen.
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[i heart square bodys]

Originally Posted by Hook0215

The T5 can come from a mustang, you just need the correct bellhousing. They were more plentiful in foxbody mustangs....a dime a dozen.
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i thought about this but didnt know if it was possible

[wraprail]

You are gona need a little more than just a belhousing to use a ford T5
Clutch disc?
Pressure plate?
What flywheel do you use?
Your gona need a ford yoke for the driveshaft
Oh and that belhousing is like $500 iirc
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