My new toy !!!

[c10addict]

Nice find Spray Bomb! My opnion is to put the car away and start collecting parts to do the car right... As much of a fan I am of cutting stuff up and making it my own I would have to do that car 100% bone stock no matter how long it took... To your advantage Barret Jackson f'd up the market so bad and put numbers on stock numbers matching cars like that through the roof!!!!

Here are a few Pics of my friends ride.. He just won Hot Rod Drag week. Car has a Pro Charged 580 big block.. He ran 7.70s all week and drove the car over 1000 miles in 5 days pulling a trailer.. Check out www.1320video.com for some cool action! The pic with the big blower is from last year but check out the car with the 18x7s and 20x20's !!

[Spray-Bomb]

Originally Posted by z10kl

If its the original distributor you found its worth $1000 bucks. The wheel would be a YH code ralley worth a couple hundred. Tach and gauges were an option and not standard equipment. Sweet find worth 30K like you found it. Which green is it. 57 fathom, 59 frost, or 79 ralley green. Restore it the way it came , a flat hood D80 non style trim car.

How do ID if it's the original distributor ??? Thanks for the wheel ID info

To be honest, I haven't read the body tag yet
But it's the dark green, would that be the 57 Fathom ???

I plan to do it up Original, & maybe change stuff like the wheels
I'm going to completely go through the car inside & out, it'll be stock/numbers matching minus the engine & trans, wheels & tires

I won't be hacking it up

Originally Posted by c10addict

Nice find Spray Bomb! My opnion is to put the car away and start collecting parts to do the car right... As much of a fan I am of cutting stuff up and making it my own I would have to do that car 100% bone stock no matter how long it took... To your advantage Barret Jackson f'd up the market so bad and put numbers on stock numbers matching cars like that through the roof!!!!

Here are a few Pics of my friends ride

I agree for the most part that the through the roof prices are good for me, but it kinda sucks too
I never plan on selling it cuz I've always wanted it, so from that side it doesn't really help me that it's worth so much

But it'll be nice when it's done, I'm pretty much a perfectionist & want this car NICE !!! (funny thing is, it'll be the only shiny ride I own )

Sweet car ^^^

[franks72]

You need to join team camaro the guys there will help with id on all the parts you have and need.. type in camaros.net its a great site like this one and they would love to see the picks and the story..

[caminokid]

Was i seeing that console right?? Thats a 4 speed car?? 302?? That thing is worth its weight in gold dude!!

[Spray-Bomb]

Originally Posted by caminokid

Was i seeing that console right?? Thats a 4 speed car?? 302?? That thing is worth its weight in gold dude!!

All of the 67-69 Z/28's had a 4-speed & a 302

[Bishops Trucks]

Originally Posted by Spray-Bomb

All of the 67-69 Z/28's had a 4-speed & a 302

That's right, '70 was the first year to offer an automatic in the Z cars. I have a friend that has a '69 that he has had for about 30 years and all it is doing is sitting with 4 flat tires and he hasn't started it in about 18 of those years. He won't sell it and keeps saying "I'm going to get it going one day", Yea right. Every since I was a pre teen I've loved the '69 Z/28 Camaros, the price range has kept me from getting one but I did come across my '70 for a good price, a friend of mine had been after me for four years to buy his car and I finally decided to back in May of this year. It runs great and is a solid garage kept car, it just needs some TLC to be perfect. I can't wait to get back to the states to get working on it. Keep us posted on your project Z.

[BACKYARD88]

Cool car Matt! Now I have a reason to come visit!

[OLDIRON69]

Just a FYI, a buddy of mine sold a 302, that needed completly rebuilt..just block and heads and sold it for 5 grand. Major Score!!!!!!

[toomanytoyz]

I test Drove a New 69 Z in the Cortez Silver back in the Day, Unfortunatley my Wife like the Chevelle Better & we ended up ~Buying a New 69 SS 396 Chevelle.........

To this Day i still regret not Buying that Z

Good Luck With Your New Treasure, But Don't loose site of Your Trucks

Rick

[z10kl]

The last 3 digets on the distributor would be 480. And the date will be before the engine assembly date or car build date. Go to camaros.net and post your pics. People there will love it. Your cowl tag will have a build date on it. Like 10A or 04c. for instance o4C is third week of April . If dark green,Fathom, it will say 5757, or 57 B if it had a black vinyl top. An interior code will be 3 didgits, 711 would black standard. if it is an LA built car it will not have a X code. a early Norwood car will not either. But it looks like a X77. Z28 without style trim. No chrome on the drip rail, fender openings, the vertical dividers on the tail lights, or the headlite bezels. also no louvers in front of the rear wheels, just the indentions where they would be.

[z10kl]

Check the dash for the protecto plate, It is like a metal credit card with info about the car on it. If not there go see the previos owner and offer her cash for it or any paper work she may have stuck back somewhere.
Be sure what you are getting in to before you take the car apart. A lot of people get in over there head, both skill wise and financially. And once you take it apart the value goes down some. And if you go ahead with it. bag and lable and take pics of EVERYTHING you take off. I mean every bolt and nut. Pay special attenion for inspection marks and such. An LA car has a build sheet on top of the gas tank. Drivers side toward front. You can usually see it sticking out a little at that corner. Careful with it. It is old and brittle. Drop the tank to get it. It will not be there on a Norwood car.I bought a dissasembled big block car and the guy trashed it. Thats what I mean about getting into it. Do your research first.

[z10kl]

Also check that alternator. Last 3 digits 837 If original. $1000, and check starter. My memory is getting bad. I think its 367 several hundred for that.
Any pulleys there? Deep groove?

[Spray-Bomb]

Wow man, thanks for the info

I'll have to go check out my numbers
I was wondering where the build sheet was, after I drop the tank, what would be the best way to handle it so it doesn't crumble ??? hairspray ???

[toomanytoyz]

z10kl , Man You sure Know Your Z's...............

Rick

[BACKYARD88]

Originally Posted by toomanytoyz

z10kl , Man You sure Know Your Z's...............

You def. know your stuff man.

[Spray-Bomb]

Originally Posted by BACKYARD88

You def. know your stuff man.

I'm almost that good with aircooled Volkswagens

[Spray-Bomb]

Well I got the numbers today

ST 69 12437 VN336685

TR 711 57 57 PNT

04D Q427



Distributor # 1111480 9c4

Wheel # K1 9

I also joined Team Camaro

I still need to get the head & alt numbers & drop the tank to get the build sheet

[z10kl]

LA built car for sure. Car built 04D 4th week of April. Dist built March 4th.
Q427 / Q being the 17th work day of the month. It was the 427th body built that day. They also built Impalas at the LA plant. When you got the wheel code there did you see the YH in front of the numbers ? There are also 2 more numbers maybe on ther other side of the valve stem hole, some times partially in the hole. K is kelsey hayes. the manufacturer, 1 is for chevrolet.9 is the year. The next 2 numbers will be for month and day of month. It will be of coarse before the car was built. The heads will be 186s. The casting number and date is on top under valve covers. What is the assembly date on the block? It is in front of the passenger side head, and will be something like V0412DZ. The vin number may not be on that pad. They were moved to a rough cast area above the oil filter. It is sometims real hard to see. Especially when engine is in car. I don't know what to tell you about careing for the build sheet. Just be real careful with it. I also noticed the Master cylinder appears to be original, It should have US stamped in the machined flat on the front. May have to use a small wire brush to see it.

[z10kl]

Thanks for the complements guys. I just love old Camaros. A little eye candy for you. And hang on to those California tags on the Z. My orange bigblock car is the LA car i mentioned. And my white car is from Texas. Small world. I have been driving the red vert since 1989. Now if I just knew as much about my truck???????
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[67_C-30]

Originally Posted by z10kl

LA built car for sure. Car built 04D 4th week of April. Dist built March 4th.
Q427 / Q being the 17th work day of the month. It was the 427th body built that day. They also built Impalas at the LA plant. When you got the wheel code there did you see the YH in front of the numbers ? There are also 2 more numbers maybe on ther other side of the valve stem hole, some times partially in the hole. K is kelsey hayes. the manufacturer, 1 is for chevrolet.9 is the year. The next 2 numbers will be for month and day of month. It will be of coarse before the car was built. The heads will be 186s. The casting number and date is on top under valve covers. What is the assembly date on the block? It is in front of the passenger side head, and will be something like V0412DZ. The vin number may not be on that pad. They were moved to a rough cast area above the oil filter. It is sometims real hard to see. Especially when engine is in car. I don't know what to tell you about careing for the build sheet. Just be real careful with it. I also noticed the Master cylinder appears to be original, It should have US stamped in the machined flat on the front. May have to use a small wire brush to see it.

The heads could also be 492's in '69.

[z10kl]

Some claim 041s came on zs in 69. I don't think so. I have to dissagree on the 492s also. But I've been wrong before. The only head comfirmed by the experts, Not me, is 186.And theyhad 202s. The SS 350 in 69 used 041s and 186s but with the smaller valves.

[67_C-30]

Originally Posted by z10kl

Some claim 041s came on zs in 69. I don't think so. I have to dissagree on the 492s also. But I've been wrong before. The only head comfirmed by the experts, Not me, is 186.And theyhad 202s. The SS 350 in 69 used 041s and 186s but with the smaller valves.

My dad bought one new in Jul of 1969, and he said it came with 492's on it. I don't know if was because it was a late prouction car, or what but he has always disputed what the books say. I also have heard that 041's came on them, but I've never seen that myself. Oddly enough, I have a set of 2.02/1.60 041's with screw in studs and guide plates, but I have no idea what they came off of. They are dated E 26 9 and F 10 9 making them late production '69 heads. I've always been curious as to what they they came on.

[Bishops Trucks]

Hey Z10kl,
Those are some beautiful Camaros you have.

[Spray-Bomb]

Thanks for all the info man, I need to find some more time so I can get more numbers off it

Where on, in, or under the dash is the Protect-O-Plate ???

And just out of curiosity, what do you think my stuff / car is worth ???

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by Spray-Bomb

Thanks for all the info man, I need to find some more time so I can get more numbers off it

Where on, in, or under the dash is the Protect-O-Plate ???

And just out of curiosity, what do you think my stuff / car is worth ???

20k as it sits- all day long - (i assume you paid less, but i am not gonna pry) --- one of the other board members said 30-- but i think thats optimistic-- that block looks harsh, and it may cost less to locate another one than to salvage that one. If you get away from ebay and find out what these things sell for regularly in the real world in good restored condition -- its 40 - 50k - (maybe more if you do an exceptional job on the restore--- but these things are like stocks - the prices fluctuate a little bit, but will likely never go below 40k (i have seen some $80,000 Z's, with the factory cross ram intake and headers in unrestored survivor condition - but these are the exception ---- its just like our trucks except the price scale is shifted up 20 or 30 grand.

For example, there are thousands of very nice $10 - 15,000 trucks like ours to be had out there, but not as many that are truly worth 20 - 25,000, with the most valuable being a high option "survivor" truck that hasnt had a wrench turned on it other than to service it. The 69 Camaros are similar in that respect with a big difference --- its extremely hard to buy a "starter" 69 Camaro for a couple grand anymore like you can with a truck --- takes more like 10k. And the end result is worth much more as well. Unfortunately, the correct resto parts are also much more than truck stuff -- but you have probably already seen this on the net. But like our trucks, you get out what you put in it

The 69 camaro is a 1 year body style, much like the 57 Chevy. Being one of roughly 19,000 made that year makes it rarer, because a lot of 69 camaros were produced (and many didnt survive the 70's ------ think about it, how many 3rd gen Camaros do you really see anymore as well?--- the same thing happened to these back then, they were just used cars back then and got used up and crushed)

A drum braked, straight 6 secretary car from 1969 is worth 25k if its nice, just because its a 69. A nice 67 or 68 is worth thousands less--- just like comparing a SWB CST to a LWB CST in our little truck world.

Some of the big block cars are more rare than the Z's -- and i dont even pretend to know as much as Z10kl, or the other dude on here that is in tune with these------- but the Z28 was awesome because it was all about performance -- no air, solid lifters, 4 speed, anti-slosh foam and dual pickups in some of the fuel tanks, the 302, you can go on and on.

It would have been easy to cop out and produce 700 302's and then just make the rest 350's--- or a sticker package , but they stuck true to the theme (700 was what was required for production rules Trans Am racing, thats why only 702 Z's were made in '67. The DZ block from 69 was the first time the 4 bolt block was used for such a small engine though

Those were great cars - have fun with yours. With a car like yours, its easy to just go out in the shop and be absorbed in it for hours just by its prescence -- but when you break it down, its all just nuts and bolts when it comes to the restoration -- it was built by a man, not forged by the hammer of Thor or anything, so dont overcomplicate the re-build and stick true to your theme--- when your done, it might be worth 60k or more.