My whole braking system - thinking out loud

[lolife99]

My hoses are aftermarket braided hoses,... but I think stock hoses will work with a 7/16-20 banjo bolt.
I'm interest in this kit with the Astro Van rotors.

[smashingchuck]

Actually it appears as though there may actually be more choices with the Astro rotors. Is there a difference in the AWD vs 2wd rotors? I'm not seeing seperate listings for them on any of the sites of checked so far, but I haven't see a mention of AWD either.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/y...s/?Ns=Rank|Asc

[Captainfab]

Yes there is a difference between the RWD and AWD rotors......you want the AWD rotors. Check the link in my post. I didn't check them all but there are a couple different brands offered in the AWD rotors that are drilled and slotted.

Originally Posted by smashingchuck

Actually it appears as though there may actually be more choices with the Astro rotors. Is there a difference in the AWD vs 2wd rotors? I'm not seeing seperate listings for them on any of the sites of checked so far, but I haven't see a mention of AWD either.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/y...s/?Ns=Rank|Asc

[smashingchuck]

Originally Posted by Captainfab

Yes there is a difference between the RWD and AWD rotors......you want the AWD rotors. Check the link in my post. I didn't check them all but there are a couple different brands offered in the AWD rotors that are drilled and slotted.

Still a nice selection, and no machining sounds good, too!

[Alvin]

This might take the place of my camaro caliper/impala ss rear disc setup before it ever makes it on the truck! Anyone have any info about the driveshaft mounted parking brake? I would really like to have one, as an emergency brake if nothing else.

[N2TRUX]

I think any GM rotor would be the one of choice. Since the SS Impala was built in smaller numbers, and fewer years it would seem that the Astro rotor would be the best choice. Regardless of the brand, the thicker rotor would be better in my mind.

I know it's not common to warp rear rotors, but it can happen it aggressive applications. To me the thicker rotor would help prevent that from becoming a concern.

This sounds like a great alternative kit for those that want matching calpers but aren't concerned with a E-brake.

[smashingchuck]

Originally Posted by Alvin

This might take the place of my camaro caliper/impala ss rear disc setup before it ever makes it on the truck! Anyone have any info about the driveshaft mounted parking brake? I would really like to have one, as an emergency brake if nothing else.

You can buy the Wilwood rear kit that has a parking brake for the same money as putting this together and buying a driveshaft style parking brake.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIL-140-10094D/

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by smashingchuck

You can buy the Wilwood rear kit that has a parking brake for the same money as putting this together and buying a driveshaft style parking brake.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIL-140-10094D/

As far as that goes, I could run the stuff I already have. I appreciate the option, but you answered a question I didn't ask.

I was trying to add to the conversation here so that if an option exists for adding a parking brake to this set-up, more people might purchase brackets (including myself). Also, one wouldn't need to run wilwood calipers at all, since the wilwood fits, the stock d52 calipers will fit, should someone really want to save their wallet.

I'll continue my search for an e-brake solution.

[suttoncurt]

O.k. im getting excited now ! Sounds like we have the right ppl involved ! Keep it up guys !

[smashingchuck]

Keith what kind of rotors are you running in the pic?

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by smashingchuck

Keith what kind of rotors are you running in the pic?

Chuck,... they are zinc plated rotors from SSBC.
I wanted a rotor that I wouldn't have to paint.
I don't care if it has a slot or drilled hole in it.
My blazer has ECE drilled and slotted rotors,... but you have to paint the center and the edge, to keep them from rusting.

I should have thought out, a rear disc kit, prior to buying these for the front.
I assume I could purchase a matching rear disc kit from SSBC,... but I originally planned on running rear drum brakes. (and I still may)

I also wish Wilwood would make the D52's in black.

[Captainfab]

I made just a little progress today, just ran out of time. I started by bolting on the base bracket for the Camaro caliper brackets. I got the rotor cleaned up a little and bolted onto the axle flange. Then I set an OEM front caliper on the rotor to get an idea where I need to go with a mounting bracket. I'll spend some time tomorrow brainstorming and see what I can come up with. Here's some pics......please excuse the rust. I'm just using what I already have until I make sure this Astro rotor is going to work.

HaHa...I didn't even notice the 'D52' on the brake pad until I posted the pic.....

[N2TRUX]

FYI- This topic prompted me to research the D52 caliper options. I made a separate post here "D52 caliper upgrades " to discuss the topic.

[lolife99]

Thanks again, for all your effort in designing these brackets!

[Alvin]

Wow! I really like how the rotor looks.

In continuing my research, however, I have not been able to find a reasonable option for a parking brake. The pinion mounted units I found are only effective on light-weight vehicles. The parking brake calipers (an additional caliper for just the parking brake) that would fit a rotor of this size are cost prohibitive. Seems I'll just be running the camaro/impala ss stuff that I already have.

[aggie91]

I have been following this one off and on...What about this 13" rear kit that has the E-Brake:
http://www.stylintrucks.com/parts.as...tfamilyid=6324

Here is a front kit with 13" brakes:
http://www.stylintrucks.com/parts.as...tfamilyid=6325

Both ends with Cross Drilled Rotors for less then $1400.

Am I missing something here??

[suttoncurt]

Originally Posted by aggie91

I have been following this one off and on...What about this 13" rear kit that has the E-Brake:
http://www.stylintrucks.com/parts.as...tfamilyid=6324

Here is a front kit with 13" brakes:
http://www.stylintrucks.com/parts.as...tfamilyid=6325

Both ends with Cross Drilled Rotors for less then $1400.

Am I missing something here??

Thats not a bad price ! I just dont want the bigger brakes because my drag radials are 15'' , im not in love with the rear calipers in this kit either ? But that just my opinion ?

[aggie91]

Originally Posted by suttoncurt

Thats not a bad price ! I just dont want the bigger brakes because my drag radials are 15'' , im not in love with the rear calipers in this kit either ? But that just my opinion ?

Do you know what the calipers for the rear kit come off of? What is the OEM application for that caliper?

[suttoncurt]

Originally Posted by aggie91

Do you know what the calipers for the rear kit come off of? What is the OEM application for that caliper?

They look like the 91 impala ss caliper -It's what alot of the dirt track guys run here in arkansas . Correction - was just looking at captian fab's brackets and the impala used drum parking brake - The caliper in the kit is proab the camaro caliper

[N2TRUX]

aggie91- That kit looks great and it's the most economical solution for 13" brakes front AND rear. All the other kits out there run 13" front and 12" rear or smaller. Then you get in to the high-end stuff like Wilwood, and Baer.

The only catch to that kit is the rear axle flange needs mods for the rotor to work. There was a forum member in 73-87 that tried to install it and had to send it back. Let me see if I can find the thread.

edit-Found it- LINK

[Captainfab]

Made a little progress today, nothing worth pics though. I ended up getting a rebuilt caliper to work with since the two I dug up had stuck pistons. Man those rebuilt stock JB5, JB6 front calipers are cheap.....my cost was $12.50. I also went and borrowed the brake die that I think I'll need. So I should be able to get the first bracket bent up tomorrow.

[suttoncurt]

Originally Posted by Captainfab

Made a little progress today, nothing worth pics though. I ended up getting a rebuilt caliper to work with since the two I dug up had stuck pistons. Man those rebuilt stock JB5, JB6 front calipers are cheap.....my cost was $12.50. I also went and borrowed the brake die that I think I'll need. So I should be able to get the first bracket bent up tomorrow.

Good Work Captian Fab ! You need to send me some business cards when i order these brackets and ill hand em out at the hot rod power tour !

[Captainfab]

Sure, I can do that.

Originally Posted by suttoncurt

Good Work Captian Fab ! You need to send me some business cards when i order these brackets and ill hand em out at the hot rod power tour !

Well not as much progress as hoped for......I did get some dimensions figured out and got the first bracket mostly layed out. I think tomorrow I may lock the doors so I can get something done.

[Captainfab]

Well I got the bracket finished up today but it ended up hitting the rotor. I looked at it long and hard but there's really no way around that with that design of bracket. So it's on to plan B. Now the challenge is figuring out how to make it without it being cost prohibitive and yet good and solid. I'll keep you guys posted

[aggie91]

Originally Posted by N2TRUX

aggie91- That kit looks great and it's the most economical solution for 13" brakes front AND rear. All the other kits out there run 13" front and 12" rear or smaller. Then you get in to the high-end stuff like Wilwood, and Baer.

The only catch to that kit is the rear axle flange needs mods for the rotor to work. There was a forum member in 73-87 that tried to install it and had to send it back. Let me see if I can find the thread.

edit-Found it- LINK

Thanks Ken, I saw that one a while back, but I still do not have an answer to my question.

The caliper in the rear kit has a parking brake, What was the OEM application for that caliper?

CaptianFab; I remember a thread that you had (or posted in) that had pictures of various calipers on a bracket that you made (or were making) one of the calipers had a mechanical parking brake, what OEM application was that caliper? I can't seem to find that thread...