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05-21-2012, 04:07 PM | #1 |
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Race Report - Nashville GoodGuys 7th Nashville Nationals - good weather, great people, and your in Nashville, how can it be bad. Trucks were the talk of the autocross and the show as word spread. Setting the pace overall was Brian Finch in his 2nd gen Camaro, with a 33.764 (for the win in Street Machine) followed closely by Detroit Speed's new test 66 mustang at 33.872 (winner in the Vendor class) Two trucks fought all weekend for the top truck spot, going to Brian Finch in Mark Turners 66 C-10 with a 33.981 (winner in the Truck class and 3rd overall) With the Summers and Sons 72 C-10 running 34.388, a close second and fourth overall. Donny Freise won the Street Rod class, and only a handfull of others ran faster than 36 seconds, including the new RideTech 33, the 48hour Camaro, and Jimmy Days new AMX. Kevin Bapst battled brake issues and still ran competetive laps. Kevin is running our new C-10 rack kit, and said the steering was "way better". Greg Schnieder (Ride Tech) ran his freshened up 67 C-10 and very unfortunately hit the side curbing and bent the frame. He had driving the truck from Jasper down to Nashville, and said it drove great. Luckily no one was injured. Finch offered a bare frame, and others offered up parts to help rebuild it. - great people in our hobby. During an interview with Chad Reynolds (BangShift.com) about the growth of trucks in autocross, things got out of hand for a moment, but I can asure you, despite the rumors, that there were no flying fists. We'll settle things up in Columbus.
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05-21-2012, 05:07 PM | #2 |
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howdy. just read the whole tred front to back. lots to take in lots of info.
glad to see someone willing to educate. suspesion is so important in the overal performance of any vehicle. give me the best suspension available over the best engine.(if you cant handle it you cant drive it!!, told to me by my father after i hit a pole with his truck when i was 16) can anyone tell me if the front springs from a 78' c10 also fit a 67' c10 the previous owner of my truck had done a crossmember swap. and im looking to get a lowering "kit". but if there not the same ill have to buy front and rear parts seperately. 2" front springs 2.5" front spindles 4" rear springs no blocks needed(building new trailing arms gonna build drop into them c-notch rear box and cross brace frame 1.1/4" swaybar front 1.1/8 sway bar rear custom trailing arm mount and cross brace shave front crossmember and plate it for more clearance lower and set back engine SBC vortec/w powerglide, 4.11:1 rear LSD think itll work cant wait to put it all together. gonna tear it down and make her handle. thatll make poppy proud any feed back would be greatly appreciated |
05-21-2012, 06:40 PM | #3 |
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cruising with a powerglide and 4.11's won't be much fun on the highway, or fuel efficient...but if the trucks being built for racing who cares.
If you're stuck on that combo and will be cruising or trailering with it, you might want an overdrive. Like Gear Vendors.
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05-22-2012, 12:12 PM | #4 |
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I'd agree with the glide issues. everything else sounds good. Transmissions can be a big deal when it comes to driving. think about an overdrive 700 or an L465
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05-22-2012, 12:35 PM | #5 |
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thinking about overdrive unit (powerglide works, it aint broke yet)
yes its mostly for back road cruising 60-100kmh but intend to do alitlle racing to. how complicated is it to hook up OD.unit, dont like 700r4 blown up way to many and rebuilding gets expensive(bloody sunshells and sprags). |
05-22-2012, 12:40 PM | #6 |
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what would my rpm be @80kmh with 3.73:1 rear and powerglide no OD.unit?
just thinking 4.11:1 probably be a little screamer but no fun to tour. 4.11:1 is the rear already in it,(but u dont mind spending money to make it more fun to drive. |
05-22-2012, 02:21 PM | #7 |
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You need to know your tire height in order to find the RPM, but with a 27" tire, 3.73s @ 50 MPH (about 80 KMH) you'd be at about 2400 RPM, with 4.11s it'd be a little over 2600.
I used Ring & Pinion's Calculator to get these, but it's by MPH.
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I hate to post this now, but I just recently saw this on another site.
Leaf Spring Sliders...I know that dirt track racers use them and the off roader/rock crawlers do too. What do you think about using them in a street truck in place of the rear hanger? It would allow for a consistent ride height since there is no arc for movement of the spring eye. What other benifits could there be.
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thanx for the info guys itll help make decisions in the long run
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great point. While this is a good way to tune and fix things, it is somewhat difficult for most to do. - more so than bolting on a spindle. Moving the inner TRE pivit point back on a stock truck could be done with a custom center link, but that would hit the OE crossmember. Rack conversions could take some advantage of this, but again, you run into the crossmember. Our Wide-Ride IFS uses this goemetry to get the best steering aproach angles, but we were able to start from scratch.
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TECH TIP Ok lesson learned. I had made a panhard rod for the HellBoy out of 1 1/4" x .120 wall tubing, and it had a 20 deg bend in it to clear the torque arm. Last tuesday at AMP I bent it like a taco!! SO, bending a panhard rod more than 10 deg is going to create a big strain on it. To solve the problem I went to 1 3/8" x .188 wall. It's heavy, but it doesn't flex. food for thought.
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My alignment now. Going around corners this thing keeps the front planted no matter what. I cant get the front end to lose grip yet. Not to mention with the slip and slide bench seat and the belt cut off my steering pump I'm putting a lot of effort int keeping my @$$ in the drivers seat and not pinned on the drivers or passengers doors haha! Right now the rear cant keep the grip and it feels like the rear lifts from what seems like a lot of body roll I have some theories on my body roll 1. My front sway bar is on rubber bushings 2. Body is mounted on rubber so I'm sure that our frames made out of twizzler flex a lot 3. I figured out on the highway I need a panhard! I can sway the rear a whole foot just turning the rear back and forth. I want to try a hotchkiss track bar and get the low roll.center. 4. I have no rear swaybar
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How about Packages? I have a lot of questions about complete packages and or assemblies of parts. So, I'll put a few together for you guys. We are about to release our new C-10 WideRide IFS, but it wouldn't be fair not to include some other parts that have been proven to work well.
1) Semi stock. The best example of this can be seen on two trucks (green 68 and red 66) built by Mark Turner and Brian Finch. Both have ran at Goodguys events and put up good numbers. The combo is CPP arms, 1" drop springs, Dropped spindles, a spring and block in the rear to net 5 or 6" drop, long panhard bar and raised trailing arm mounts. Their success is in the swaybars (custom) really good adjustable shocks, and a rack and pinion steering set up. Also, Brian is pretty sharp. Disc brakes all around and good sticky tires. The parts cost is appx $4500+ (with OE style brakes. Finch is known for monster 14"stoppers) 2) The Hotchkis TVS. The bottom line here is it works. Mike Hickman and Rob Phillips have been very competetive and have very drivable trucks. In addition to this kit, you need dropped spindles, front and rear disk brakes and a bolt in C notch. There is also an upgrade avail for adjustable shocks. The net is a 4/6 drop. Total parts cost is appx $5800+ 3) It is fair to mention some bolt in crossmember kits such as Porterbuilt. Originally these were designed for max drop, but I do know that Nate has been working on some more 'performance' oriented coil-over units. A big benefit with a new crossmember is the increased ground clearance. If you were in Nashville or saw the pictures, you know the damage that can be caused from the stock crossmember hanging down. As a pioneer of LOW trucks, Nate has a lot of experience here. There are also matching rear kits available. Here again, shocks, brakes, steering and sway bars can have a big influence on handling and pricing. Complete front and rear packages will run in the $5500+ range. Remember, these have a weight savings and gain ground clearance. 4) While not available until July 4th, our new WideRide C-10 IFS is also in the running. Standard WideRide's have ben around for over 15 yrs, with proven geometry and design. We have worked hard to bring that performance into the C-10 market. This bolt-in IFS is complete, hub to hub, including crossmember, a-arms, coil-overs, spindles, brakes, P/S rack, sway bar, and motor mounts. There is a net gain of 3" gound clearance, and it is over 100lbs lighter than stock. The net drop is appx 5". and the cost is $2950. As of yet, we are still working on a complete rear package. For now, We have our Fat-Bar 4-bar with coil-overs, and a bolt-in notch at appx $1270 or, you can match the front to a conventional rear set up with blocks, springs, long panhard bar, swaybar, and good shocks. Don't forget to raise the front mounts. appx $829. To be fair we would need to add rear disk brakes for around $800. Total packages will run from $4500 to $5100. I am hoping to show that there is more than one way to do it right. And, that you may be able to use some parts you already have. Or, you can sell off parts and update. Again I will say that shocks, brakes and tires are very important, and are usually over looked. I hope this helps, and if you have any other combo's, thoughts or information, post it up for everyone.
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You will however need a set of stock-height 73-87 spindles to make use of the included ball joints and intended front end geometry.
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You have talked about tires before and when you did it was really geared towards sticking to the track. We know you like the 18” wheel and a 28”-29” tire, but what recommendations do you have for rubber on a daily driver that will stick well and won’t wear out real fast? Can you give us some recommendations in the information you look for in tires and different applications?
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When it comes to tires, grip vs lifespan is a direct tradeoff. The Nitto NT-05 and the Falken 615 are really sticky in the 200 treadwear range - but, 3 to 5 thousand miles is it. Next up, the BF Goodrich KDW, 300 treadwear these will go 10k miles, unless your me. They grip good and the lifespan is OK. Nitto 555 is also good. Not too expensive, 15k lifespan. Hold on, will these tires last longer? yes! But, not if you drive the piss out of your truck. lets be realistic.
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Here's a thought about tires. We all know they wear out, and some of the things we do make them wear out sooner. Most don't put that amany miles on these trucks, but some are DD's, or close. So, lets say a new set of skins costs 1200 bucks, I know, but I buy good tires. And, for a mormal driver, they last three years, again, I also buy sticky tires. Now, you do a more aggressive alignment, and you throttle it more, it is fun, and they only last two years.
Math time. $1200 for three years = $400 a year on tires. $1200 for two years = $600 a year on tires. The difference is $200 a year. That's $16.67 a month. And, thats for expensive tires and some spirited driving. Just give up two McBurgers a month and tell the alignment shop to man-up. Everything will work out. Better handling, and you'll drop a few pounds.
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Pennies a day when you put it that way!
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Can anybody tell me why if we can buy a irs setup out of a crown vic for 400$ why would we go to all the trouble and expense to go four link or pan hard or three link or other setups?
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Cause. Its made by a company we don't like. I'm sure even rob has a Chevy in his for-er truck lol plus alt of fab work in making the wheel base correct
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