cpp modular 2" drop spindles

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

How simple it would be for them to just set them both on a bench a measure which one is taller. So simple and would solve all the calls, emails, and possible returns.

I agree.

[Riveted1]

I have a set of the 2" modular CPP spindles, the 2.5" ECE spindles, and stock disk brake '72 spindles. I didn't take pics with them together b/c they were off/on the vehicles at different times. The CPP spindles and the stock disc spindles are the same width (at 9.75") and the ECE spindles are 10.5" wide.

[GEARBOXGARAGE]

The CPP Modular drop spindles don't push the wheel out like other brands of drop spindles. They only pull your wheels in if you are switching from another brand. That's where they claim that you get more tire to fender clearance. If you are switching from stock, the track width should remain fairly close. Recently we swapped out as set of Early Classic spindles for the newer Mods. Many of the other manufacturers know their drop spindles push the track width out, but don't necessarily come right out with it. In my experience, they have been pretty truthful if you ask. But now that we have used the Mod's, we will probably stick with those in future builds.

[Chris92]

I am thinking about getting a set of these for my 69. I don't want to widen the front stance. Should I be able to use them with the 8 inch Rally wheel. (The 6 lug 4x4 rally)

Thanks in advance.

Chris

[Scottshotrods]

Keep in mind that the old school new school spindal that Cpp makes brings your track in
3/4 per side.It will not push it out

Justin

[LostMy65]

I'm thinking it's a method of word choice.
If you are to say; 'in 3/4" per side', you need to say in relation to what. For example; does it bring it in 3/4" in relation to other drop spindles, or in relation to factory drums, or in relation to 73-87 stock track width?

I was able to get a better price from summit on special than I was able to get from the price you quoted me. I bought the CP4S1. I need to double check, but with your 6-lug rotors, it will move my (wms) wheel mounting surface out 3/8" per side over my drum wms.
I'm fine with that. I just couldn't afford to increase my wms over what it is now with the drums by much more than that.

Edit: I double checked, and it will move my wheels out atleast 1/2" per side.

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by lolife99

This is where the confusion is.
"They bring the wheels in",... compared to what?
Stock drum spindles, stock disc brake spindles, or drop disc brake spindles?

I have NEVER gotten a firm answer to this from CPP.

Here's what I see:
1) drum brake spindles have the narrowest track width. (still wider than the 60-69 narrow rearends).

2) disc brake spindles are 3/4" (per side) wider than drum brake spindles.

3) DROP spindles are about 1/2" wider (per side) than the stock height disc brake spindle.
(this is to allow more clearance at the lower balljoint)

So,... what is CPP's claim?
Their MODULAR drop spindles are the same as what?
There are 2 answers:
1) drum brake spindles?
2) stock height disc brake spindles?

No one at CPP will answer this question.
I challenge them now to produce track width numbers compared to stock.
Sure they are narrower than most "old school" C10 drop spindles,... but all the info gets confused when you talk 60-70 drum brake spindles, 71-72 disc brake spindles, or 73-87 disc brake spindles.

I'll repeat this portion of the quote from lolife:

Originally Posted by lolife99

So,... what is CPP's claim?
Their MODULAR drop spindles are the same as what?
There are 2 answers:
1) drum brake spindles?
2) stock height disc brake spindles?

No one at CPP will answer this question.
I challenge them now to produce track width numbers compared to stock.
Sure they are narrower than most "old school" C10 drop spindles,... but all the info gets confused when you talk 60-70 drum brake spindles, 71-72 disc brake spindles, or 73-87 disc brake spindles.

And specifically:

Originally Posted by lolife99

No one at CPP will answer this question.
I challenge them now to produce track width numbers compared to stock.

I'm repeating the above quotes for emphasis.
We need track width numbers compared to stock.
Specifically Stock Drum track width to their Disc Spindles track width.

I regrettably have to return my drop spindles I bought because of this stupid double talk and refusal by Cpp to give clear information.
I was told by Justin that the drop spindles would Not move my track width out, but they do - somewhere between 1/2" to 3/4" per side.

[Riveted1]

Again, the CPP modular spindles and stock height disk brake spindles push your wheels out 3/4" on each side from a stock drum brake setup. Other drop spindles push your wheels out another 3/4" each side from the disc brake stock setup.


So if you go from drum brakes to a standard set of drop spindles, you gain around 3" total to your track width. Only 1.5" with the CPP modulars.

(Actually it's a little less than that, but that's some good round numbers to work with )

*I have gone from drums to ECE drop spindles to the CPP modulars on my '67, and I have gone from stock disc brake spindles to ECE drop spindles on my '72.*

[LostMy65]

^Thanks.

This is the email I received from Justin when I asked if the cpp drop spindles would push my wheels out.


On Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM, <justin@scottshotrods.com> wrote:
>
> Robert on all of the cpp spindals they sell they will bring in the wheels 3/4 per side and I had this discussion with Jim on sat who is the owner of Cpp
>
> Justin


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[Riveted1]

It brings them in 3/4" per side compared to aftermarket drop spindles.

[LostMy65]

But that's not what everyone is asking them.
I think it's just as lolife stated. They are leaving out the 'move out/in' as to relation of what.
We've been asking in relation to drums.
And I think they know that.

Example:
Shopper asks if I convert my 65 to discs using their spindles, will it move my wheels out?
Cpp answers that their Spindles move the wheels in 3/4" per side.
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[Riveted1]

Yeah, they're running around the question.

[CPPJEFF]

Originally Posted by Riveted1

Yeah, they're running around the question.

Guys nobody is running around any questions and there are no mysteries, the offset measurements will be different when going from drum brake to disc brakes but never the less i have any measurement needed. I actually have a chart i can scan an e-mail for anyone of you guys to post on the board, who can help me get this done, email me direct at jeff@classicperform.com Thanks Jeff!

[LostMy65]

Justin told me they wouldn't move my wheels out. He even said the owner said none of cpp spindles will move the wheels out.
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[N2TRUX]

Thanks for clearing that up Jeff. If you still have my email on file send me a copy please.

[CPPJEFF]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

Justin told me they wouldn't move my wheels out. He even said the owner said none of cpp spindles will move the wheels out.
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At the very most under any circumstance based on various castings the most the wheels will ever move out is 1/16" of an inch, in most cases it will move the wheels in.

[N2TRUX]

[LostMy65]

I have drums.
The cpp drop spindles will move my wheels out 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch.

I just sent you an email for that scanned document.
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[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by CPPJEFF

At the very most under any circumstance based on various castings the most the wheels will ever move out is 1/16" of an inch, in most cases it will move the wheels in.

Well, I'm still in need of drop spindles for my 62, that won't move the track width out any further than 1/16 of an inch from where they are now with drums.
Do you have drop spindles for my 62 that won't move my wheels out more than 1/16 of an inch?
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[chevy_mike]

So, wanted to keep out of the drama side of this, I will share info I have about these spindles. I am going to try to get some actual measurements of these and the stock '65 drums I pulled off.

A happy side note for those wanting to run 15x8" rally or stock style wheels and typically have clearance issues with the lower A arm lip, around the lower ball joint, these give you enough clearance to not rub or require you to trim the A arm (which I don't like). Here is a pic to show the clearance and I did cycle the steering from lock to lock and no issues anywhere.

[lolife99]

[quote=chevy_mike;5433384]
So, wanted to keep out of the drama side of this, I will share info I have about these spindles. I am going to try to get some actual measurements of these and the stock '65 drums I pulled off.

A happy side note for those wanting to run 15x8" rally or stock style wheels and typically have clearance issues with the lower A arm lip, around the lower ball joint,
these give you enough clearance to not rub or require you to trim the A arm (which I don't like).
Here is a pic to show the clearance and I did cycle the steering from lock to lock and no issues anywhere.




I hate to say it,... but it looks like that a-arm has already been trimmed.
Normally the "nose" of the lower a-arm is thicker than that.

[Riveted1]

I thought the same thing lolife. But, I'm running 15x8 rallies on my '67 w/the CPP modulars right now and they clear just fine.

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by Riveted1

I thought the same thing lolife. But, I'm running 15x8 rallies on my '67 w/the CPP modulars right now and they clear just fine.

Now that I think about it,... common sense tells me, it might be because the CPP Modular spindles are only an "advertised" 2 inch drop.

Unlike all the other 2.5" and 3" drop spindles.

[Riveted1]

Yeah, I always forget about loosing that .5" drop

[chevy_mike]

Trust me, these were untouched arm, on original ball joints, with original drum brakes. Pic just looks weird.

Yes, the extra .5" of drop would definitely run into issues with clearance.