Rebuilding Suspension

[naphtali5725]

Originally Posted by 87r10owner

Buy your mood parts from rockauto, I just replaced my tie rods,idler arm,pitman arm,control arm bushings,sway bar bushings and leaf spring bushings,and ball joints all shipped less than $250
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You wouldn't happen to have the part numbers handy would you? j/k LOL...

[nheller76]

I would go rockauto, and moog is a higher quality part. Just know that if the over sea's crap breaks, do not tell us because u WILL get crap!
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[naphtali5725]

Originally Posted by nheller76

I would go rockauto, and moog is a higher quality part. Just know that if the over sea's crap breaks, do not tell us because u WILL get crap!
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HAHA, yeah i'd keep it to myself

[Tx Firefighter]

I shop Rockauto against Amazon against Summit when buying parts.

But, the price they quoted you is within line. I paid over 700 for all Moog stuff on my last rebuild. Good quality is a bargain compared to cheaper stuff which doesn't last. I'm no rich Rockafellar either. This took me months to save for. A little at a time.

[rs74]

Originally Posted by 87r10owner

Buy your mood parts from rockauto, I just replaced my tie rods,idler arm,pitman arm,control arm bushings,sway bar bushings and leaf spring bushings,and ball joints all shipped less than $250
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If you don't mind me asking, how did you get that price. I mocked up a parts list with them. They only had one of each tie rod ends and I did even have the sway bar bushings and it was 285. Add on the other tie rods and sway bar bushings and it would be 325 or so before shipping. While that is alot better price just didn't know how you got it that much cheaper. Even with a 5% discount it is only like $17. Just Curious. I guess I should have shopped at Rockauto for my stuff as well. Glad you got it for that price. Wish I would have.

[naphtali5725]

Originally Posted by Tx Firefighter

I shop Rockauto against Amazon against Summit when buying parts.

But, the price they quoted you is within line. I paid over 700 for all Moog stuff on my last rebuild. Good quality is a bargain compared to cheaper stuff which doesn't last. I'm no rich Rockafellar either. This took me months to save for. A little at a time.

I'll be saving up months as well... thanks for all the feedback...

[kalbert]

Originally Posted by naphtali5725

I called and asked Sonny for a quote on all MOOG front end kit parts for my 86, he quoted me

"The price on the front end rebuild kit in MOOG Chassis parts and Energy Suspension bushings would be $772.00."

Sonny


Taiwan parts for same kit.... 320.00

That's freaking ridiculous...

The difference is that the Moog parts with periodic greasing will outlast the rest of the truck, the Taiwan stuff will wear out in a couple years even wit regular greasing, and have a higher risk of breaking. Wear and break risk increases with lifting or lowering because the ball will ride off center in the socket and the load will not be spread over the whole bearing surface.

Not saying you should/shouldn't get one or the other. Just saying If you go cheap plan on doing it again someday. Both will wear out fast without grease. I plan on doing Moog ball joints and probably Taiwan rod ends because ball joints suck to replace and rod ends just screw on.

[Tx Firefighter]

Originally Posted by kalbert

The difference is that the Moog parts with periodic greasing will outlast the rest of the truck, the Taiwan stuff will wear out in a couple years even wit regular greasing, and have a higher risk of breaking. Wear and break risk increases with lifting or lowering because the ball will ride off center in the socket and the load will not be spread over the whole bearing surface.

Not saying you should/shouldn't get one or the other. Just saying If you go cheap plan on doing it again someday. Both will wear out fast without grease. I plan on doing Moog ball joints and probably Taiwan rod ends because ball joints suck to replace and rod ends just screw on.

That's a very sound plan if your budget simply forces you to compromise. Ball joints are the one item where quality is most important. Lots of stuff is less critical, under less stress, and easy to change later if needed. Not ball joint though.
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[gchemist]

Polygraphite: $249.00
http://www.p-s-t.com/s.nl/it.A/id.116/.f?sc=12

Problem solved. I used this kit on my truck. Works great.

[naphtali5725]

are the AC Delco greasable parts good compared to MOOG ?

[1977cheyenne_C10]

well im going to buy all moog parts from rock auto.is there anything els i would need or you guys recommend to replace?
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[INSIDIOUS '86]

Lets see your pretty much replacing the whole front right?
Pitman a d idler arms are where the most slop comes from in linkage.
Afterwards replace the steering box with a quality unit.
I recommend redhead steering boxes. You get nice instan response out of them and you can have them adjust road feel to your liking
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[87r10owner]

When I bought my stuff I got lucky bc a lot of the parts happened to be wholesale closeouts so it made my ball joints and a couple other items super cheap. I did a ton of shopping when I bought my stuff. But so far I haven't been able to beat rock auto on a lot of parts. I do have all my packing slips handy if you need help with part numbers I will have to pull up all the receipts if you want a total cost. I just finished my front and am currently putting my flip kit on and rebuilding the leafs.
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[mrhino]

If you havent decide on Moog yet, and those cheaper parts and prices look appealing. Dont do it. Take it from me.

I tried the cheap stuff. all four ball joints and steering from rock autos cheaper line. The first drive I took in my newly painted 3500 end like this.



The lower ball joint completely separated, causing the lower control arm to slam into the asphalt and the tire to jam up into the fender. keep in mind this was a brand new ball joint. It had 3 miles on if that. Im only greatful it broke while I was almost stopped, and not running 60 mph



So not only did I buy the cheaper ball joints and tie-rods I had to re-buy all new Moog suspension and steering cause, I couldn't trust the other stuff I had in there so it all got replaced.

[87r10owner]

So far I'm in about $1,2xx with drop parts brakes and suspension
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[87r10owner]

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[meatwagon83]

looks like some one is about to do what i just did, i didnt replace my rotors though

[naphtali5725]

Originally Posted by meatwagon83

looks like some one is about to do what i just did, i didnt replace my rotors though

Yep, me too...same drop spindles etc.

Back to my question, how do the AC Delco parts compare to MOOG? Are they quality parts?

[1977cheyenne_C10]

Originally Posted by 87r10owner

When I bought my stuff I got lucky bc a lot of the parts happened to be wholesale closeouts so it made my ball joints and a couple other items super cheap. I did a ton of shopping when I bought my stuff. But so far I haven't been able to beat rock auto on a lot of parts. I do have all my packing slips handy if you need help with part numbers I will have to pull up all the receipts if you want a total cost. I just finished my front and am currently putting my flip kit on and rebuilding the leafs.
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did you buy your suspension parts from rock auto?
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[87r10owner]

No I bought my suspension stuff from mcgaughystore.com
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[1977cheyenne_C10]

Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS '86

Lets see your pretty much replacing the whole front right?
Pitman a d idler arms are where the most slop comes from in linkage.
Afterwards replace the steering box with a quality unit.
I recommend redhead steering boxes. You get nice instan response out of them and you can have them adjust road feel to your liking
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where can i get a redhead steering box? are they pricey?

[1977cheyenne_C10]

does anyone has the part numbers from rock auto? i got confuse because theres 2 different types of tied rod end and other stuff

[1977cheyenne_C10]

Originally Posted by mrhino

If you havent decide on Moog yet, and those cheaper parts and prices look appealing. Dont do it. Take it from me.

I tried the cheap stuff. all four ball joints and steering from rock autos cheaper line. The first drive I took in my newly painted 3500 end like this.



The lower ball joint completely separated, causing the lower control arm to slam into the asphalt and the tire to jam up into the fender. keep in mind this was a brand new ball joint. It had 3 miles on if that. Im only greatful it broke while I was almost stopped, and not running 60 mph



So not only did I buy the cheaper ball joints and tie-rods I had to re-buy all new Moog suspension and steering cause, I couldn't trust the other stuff I had in there so it all got replaced.

wow what kind of brand dis you use?

[1977cheyenne_C10]

Originally Posted by 87r10owner

When I bought my stuff I got lucky bc a lot of the parts happened to be wholesale closeouts so it made my ball joints and a couple other items super cheap. I did a ton of shopping when I bought my stuff. But so far I haven't been able to beat rock auto on a lot of parts. I do have all my packing slips handy if you need help with part numbers I will have to pull up all the receipts if you want a total cost. I just finished my front and am currently putting my flip kit on and rebuilding the leafs.
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if you can help me with the part numbers i would really appreciate it

[1977cheyenne_C10]

i think i got all what i needed. am i missing anything?


Part Price Quantity Total
1977 CHEVROLET C10 PICKUP 5.7L 350cid V8
Steering : Tie Rod End
MOOG Part # ES409R use ES409RT Outer
Front Suspension; RWD A
$12.04 $12.04
MOOG Part # ES409L use ES409LT Inner
Front Suspension; RWD A
$12.82 $12.82
Steering : Idler Arm
MOOG Part # K6096T Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front B
$22.79 $22.79
Suspension : Ball Joint
MOOG Part # K6136 Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front Upper B
$27.79 $27.79
MOOG Part # K6117T Problem Solver
Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Front Lower B
$21.79 $21.79
Suspension : Control Arm Bushing
MOOG Part # K6138 Package Quantity As Shown In Image Incl. front and rear bushings
Front Upper B
$11.14 $11.14
MOOG Part # K6137 Package Quantity As Shown In Image Incl. front and rear bushings
Standard Design; Front Lower B
$14.75 $14.75
Steering : Pitman Arm
MOOG Part # K6143 Problem Solver
Power steering; Problem Solver - incl. powdered-metal gusher bearing to allow grease to penetrate bearing surfaces; Exc. Variable Ratio P/S; Front B
$30.79 $30.79
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