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GEARBOXGARAGE · 04-09-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CHRIS67GMC

It is a good thing you are not using the modular spindle. They do not hold up to racing. The pin would actually deflect in the spindle. I went as far as welding them front and back on the pin to help this but it was not enough they still flex bad enough to cause brake knock back.

These trucks are really hard on parts in a autocross/road race environment.

Chris,

That's good to know.

duallyjams · 04-10-2014, 06:27 PM

Lots of learning on watching this one.

slow4dr · 04-22-2014, 12:32 PM

We've made a few more revisions but the project is coming along quickly.

There was some discussion about which c-notch design we were going to use. The round style won out almost unanimously.

Mocking up the anti-sway bar and a few other items. This crossmember is going to be one beefy dewd once it is all boxed in and fully welded.

Torque Arm mount, I believe this is revision #2

-J

Wasted Income · 04-22-2014, 01:39 PM

Great minds think alike I guess.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&postcount=143

slow4dr · 04-22-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasted Income

Great minds think alike I guess.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&postcount=143

Now if I can just convince the powers that be that we also need a turbo LQ4 under the hood.

-J

Wasted Income · 04-22-2014, 02:32 PM

If you guys were closer, I'd take you for a ride. There wouldn't be much more convincing necessary

GEARBOXGARAGE · 04-22-2014, 02:36 PM

Lookin' good! Really diggin' the front set-up. Have you done any FEA on supporting the rear end with the coilovers behind the C-Notch? A while ago, I ran across a thread that discussed how C-Notching can weaken the frame's integrity. It made some pretty good points. If I run across it again, I'll share the link here. Keep up the good work!

SCOTI · 04-22-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GEARBOXGARAGE

Lookin' good! Really diggin' the front set-up. Have you done any FEA on supporting the rear end with the coilovers behind the C-Notch? A while ago, I ran across a thread that discussed how C-Notching can weaken the frame's integrity. It made some pretty good points. If I run across it again, I'll share the link here. Keep up the good work!

If it's the discussion I'm thinking about, it's in the FAQ/Suspension stickys....

slow4dr · 04-22-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasted Income

If you guys were closer, I'd take you for a ride. There wouldn't be much more convincing necessary

The decision makers have driven Skrape's Turbo LS3 Nova Wagon but they are still a bit old school........carbs and all

I hopped on Craigslist earlier today and found a LQ4/4L80 combo with less than 80K original miles for cheap so I forwarded the link over to them.

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Originally Posted by GEARBOXGARAGE

Lookin' good! Really diggin' the front set-up. Have you done any FEA on supporting the rear end with the coilovers behind the C-Notch? A while ago, I ran across a thread that discussed how C-Notching can weaken the frame's integrity. It made some pretty good points. If I run across it again, I'll share the link here. Keep up the good work!

The C10 frame is definitely more stout than the pre 60's frames we've been c-notching for 30+ years. These guys are pretty smart though and in some cases we've had to add extra bracing if it wasn't up to snuff.

-J

GEARBOXGARAGE · 04-23-2014, 02:37 PM

Glad to see you guys are doing your homework! If you haven't guessed by now, I'm in engineering for my day job, and run a part time speed shop on the side. Unfortunately, that means I'm hard to impress, but you guys are definitely putting the icing on the cake with this. Keep the documentation of the development coming, awesome stuff!

slow4dr · 04-23-2014, 02:53 PM

No worries, it's refreshing to hear good questions during this process. We are one of the few companies that doesn't mind posting pics of the "process".

Well, good news, The craigslist link I sent to Sal & Ed about the LQ4/4L80E actually worked. I go pick it up after lunch.

-J

Wasted Income · 04-23-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slow4dr

Well, good news, The craigslist link I sent to Sal & Ed about the LQ4/4L80E actually worked. I go pick it up after lunch.

-J

Haha that's awesome. What is the going rate for that combo out by you?

slow4dr · 04-23-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasted Income

Haha that's awesome. What is the going rate for that combo out by you?

We picked this one up with 78K miles for $2500. Compared to the aluminum counterparts I have been seeing this was a steal and the 4L80 is icing on the cake.

-J

**PGSigns** · 04-23-2014, 08:12 PM

Looks good guys. I was into street rods in the 80's and used your stuff helping a friend build a couple of model A's. Nice to see you working on this era truck.
Jimmy

GEARBOXGARAGE · 04-24-2014, 08:36 AM

Nice grab!

Wasted Income · 04-24-2014, 09:22 AM

That's a bit higher than that combo goes for here, but it looks clean as a whistle, and complete. Awesome score. What's the plan with that? Boost!?

slow4dr · 04-24-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasted Income

That's a bit higher than that combo goes for here, but it looks clean as a whistle, and complete. Awesome score. What's the plan with that? Boost!?

As much as I'd personally love to throw a turbo on it I highly doubt that it will happen. That's not to say I won't be making a few calls to some guys I know at Garrett & Turbonetics. Although, one of our very good local customers just happens to be one of KenneBell's top dealers and tuners. That temptation is always lingering over us too.

If the forced induction thing doesn't happen we'll probably just do cam only. I think The 317 heads will be a pretty good match for our intended usage.

-J

Cole Trickle · 05-06-2014, 04:49 PM

I'm excited for this package!!!

Keep building

slow4dr · 05-13-2014, 03:10 PM

More parts mock up

Holley oil pan definitely isn't going to clear.

F-Body pan clears the rack but interferes with two bolts on the back of the crossmember. Engine needs to go back.

-J

GEARBOXGARAGE · 05-14-2014, 08:45 AM

Have you looked at the Mast Motorsports Oil Pans?

http://www.mastmotorsports.com/view.php?id=160&c=49&s=7

Seems like I heard somewhere that they have a little more clearance than the F-Body pans. But it's always good to move the engine back like you mentioned for weight distribution.

What did you come up with on the spindles? You had mentioned a few posts back that you were developing your own since the CPP MOD spindle didn't work out....

Everything is looking great BTW.!!!!

aggie91 · 05-14-2014, 09:30 AM

There is also the LSA oil pan. It has a different sump shape then the F body pan. It a little bit deeper then the F body pan, but not near as deep as the truck pan.

slow4dr · 05-14-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GEARBOXGARAGE

Have you looked at the Mast Motorsports Oil Pans?

http://www.mastmotorsports.com/view.php?id=160&c=49&s=7

Seems like I heard somewhere that they have a little more clearance than the F-Body pans. But it's always good to move the engine back like you mentioned for weight distribution.

What did you come up with on the spindles? You had mentioned a few posts back that you were developing your own since the CPP MOD spindle didn't work out....

Everything is looking great BTW.!!!!

Price and availability always has us using the F-Body pan for mock up. The engine only needed to go back roughly 1/8" to clear the sump.

We took a mod spindle, cut off the steering arm, machined two faces on the spindle and bolted on one of our steering arms. This will atleast get us where we need to be dimensionally for mock up.

-J

65Gregg · 05-15-2014, 12:38 PM

Watching this progress gives a lot of insight into what our top notch vendors go through to make quality products available for us truck guys.

slow4dr · 05-16-2014, 11:57 AM

Here are the plates that will be used to make the upper control arm fixtures.

Rear shock mount fixtures

Panhard bar installed

-J

-J

slow4dr · 05-27-2014, 12:39 PM

Double checking the geometry

Things to note: Driver side spindle is different than Passenger. The passenger side design is our new custom set-up. It is based on a C10 pin and uses the factory lower ball joint with a heavy duty Moog upper. The steering arm is removable and helped us attain the geometry and turning radius we desired.

How's this for ground clearance? We tried and accomplished keeping all suspension parts on the same plane as the bottom of the frame.

-J

04-10-2014, 06:27 PM	#27
duallyjams Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Deale Md Posts: 4,663	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Lots of learning on watching this one. __________________ James 63 GMC V6 4speed carryall 65 chevy swb bbw V8 auto 68 K20 327/4 speed, buddy buckets 2002 GMC CC Dually Duramax 64 GMC lwb 3/4 V6 4speed SOLD 66 GMC swb bbw buddy buckets SOLD IG duallyjams The only thing that stays the same is constant change!

04-22-2014, 12:32 PM	#28
slow4dr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 151	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! We've made a few more revisions but the project is coming along quickly. There was some discussion about which c-notch design we were going to use. The round style won out almost unanimously. Mocking up the anti-sway bar and a few other items. This crossmember is going to be one beefy dewd once it is all boxed in and fully welded. Torque Arm mount, I believe this is revision #2 -J

04-22-2014, 01:39 PM	#29
Wasted Income Boosted Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mackinaw, IL Posts: 2,200	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Great minds think alike I guess. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&postcount=143 __________________ 1972 2wd K/5 Blazer Turbocharged 370 LSx - 941 rwhp / 1093 rwtq 1969 Chevy K-10 L33 5.3 / 4L80E / NP241 / 4" lift 1964 Buick Skylark Twin TURBO 383 LS pro-touring project 2014 VW Passat TDI - Daily Driver Turbo diesel 2015 Sierra Denali HD Duramax Turbo diesel 2023 Ford Explorer ST - Twin Turbskis 2023 Ford F150 RCSB - Whipple Supercharged 2017 Polaris RZR Turbo 2014 Nor-Tech Center Console - Twin Supercharged Outboards *TURBO ALL THE THINGS!!*

04-22-2014, 02:32 PM	#31
Wasted Income Boosted Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mackinaw, IL Posts: 2,200	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! If you guys were closer, I'd take you for a ride. There wouldn't be much more convincing necessary __________________ 1972 2wd K/5 Blazer Turbocharged 370 LSx - 941 rwhp / 1093 rwtq 1969 Chevy K-10 L33 5.3 / 4L80E / NP241 / 4" lift 1964 Buick Skylark Twin TURBO 383 LS pro-touring project 2014 VW Passat TDI - Daily Driver Turbo diesel 2015 Sierra Denali HD Duramax Turbo diesel 2023 Ford Explorer ST - Twin Turbskis 2023 Ford F150 RCSB - Whipple Supercharged 2017 Polaris RZR Turbo 2014 Nor-Tech Center Console - Twin Supercharged Outboards *TURBO ALL THE THINGS!!*

04-22-2014, 02:36 PM	#32
GEARBOXGARAGE Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sturgis, Michigan Posts: 509	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Lookin' good! Really diggin' the front set-up. Have you done any FEA on supporting the rear end with the coilovers behind the C-Notch? A while ago, I ran across a thread that discussed how C-Notching can weaken the frame's integrity. It made some pretty good points. If I run across it again, I'll share the link here. Keep up the good work!

04-23-2014, 02:37 PM	#35
GEARBOXGARAGE Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sturgis, Michigan Posts: 509	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Glad to see you guys are doing your homework! If you haven't guessed by now, I'm in engineering for my day job, and run a part time speed shop on the side. Unfortunately, that means I'm hard to impress, but you guys are definitely putting the icing on the cake with this. Keep the documentation of the development coming, awesome stuff!

04-23-2014, 02:53 PM	#36
slow4dr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 151	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! No worries, it's refreshing to hear good questions during this process. We are one of the few companies that doesn't mind posting pics of the "process". Well, good news, The craigslist link I sent to Sal & Ed about the LQ4/4L80E actually worked. I go pick it up after lunch. -J

04-23-2014, 08:12 PM	#39
PGSigns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hayes Va Posts: 4,569	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Looks good guys. I was into street rods in the 80's and used your stuff helping a friend build a couple of model A's. Nice to see you working on this era truck. Jimmy __________________ 60 to 66 Chevy and GMC window decals http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=661131 Good friends, good food and a hotrod what else do you need? 1966 BBW long fleet Daily driver 1965 BBW short fleet Sold and going to a good home 1965 Suburban 2003 3500 Duramax 2005 Ultra Classic

04-24-2014, 08:36 AM	#40
GEARBOXGARAGE Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sturgis, Michigan Posts: 509	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Nice grab!

04-24-2014, 09:22 AM	#41
Wasted Income Boosted Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mackinaw, IL Posts: 2,200	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! That's a bit higher than that combo goes for here, but it looks clean as a whistle, and complete. Awesome score. What's the plan with that? Boost!? __________________ 1972 2wd K/5 Blazer Turbocharged 370 LSx - 941 rwhp / 1093 rwtq 1969 Chevy K-10 L33 5.3 / 4L80E / NP241 / 4" lift 1964 Buick Skylark Twin TURBO 383 LS pro-touring project 2014 VW Passat TDI - Daily Driver Turbo diesel 2015 Sierra Denali HD Duramax Turbo diesel 2023 Ford Explorer ST - Twin Turbskis 2023 Ford F150 RCSB - Whipple Supercharged 2017 Polaris RZR Turbo 2014 Nor-Tech Center Console - Twin Supercharged Outboards *TURBO ALL THE THINGS!!*

05-06-2014, 04:49 PM	#43
Cole Trickle C-10 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Corona,CA Posts: 1,001	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! I'm excited for this package!!! Keep building __________________ 1969 Short Fleet 350/SM465 4.5/6.5 ECE drop 20" Raceline Wheels 1998 2dr Tahoe 5/7 drop 20"/22" Coys-sold Build thread...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=401910

05-13-2014, 03:10 PM	#44
slow4dr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 151	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! More parts mock up Holley oil pan definitely isn't going to clear. F-Body pan clears the rack but interferes with two bolts on the back of the crossmember. Engine needs to go back. -J

05-14-2014, 08:45 AM	#45
GEARBOXGARAGE Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sturgis, Michigan Posts: 509	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Have you looked at the Mast Motorsports Oil Pans? http://www.mastmotorsports.com/view.php?id=160&c=49&s=7 Seems like I heard somewhere that they have a little more clearance than the F-Body pans. But it's always good to move the engine back like you mentioned for weight distribution. What did you come up with on the spindles? You had mentioned a few posts back that you were developing your own since the CPP MOD spindle didn't work out.... Everything is looking great BTW.!!!!

05-14-2014, 09:30 AM	#46
aggie91 I'm just glad to be here! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Longview, TX Posts: 4,788	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! There is also the LSA oil pan. It has a different sump shape then the F body pan. It a little bit deeper then the F body pan, but not near as deep as the truck pan. __________________ Karl 1965 Chevy Stepside(Grandpa's Old Blue) and (July 2015 Shop Build!)(2020, the Saga Continues) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=372424 The LST Challenge: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post7812257 Korbin's 1st Square: "Sunburn" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=418618 1985 GMC Sierra: "White Trash", Korbin's 2nd now... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=632305 Henry - 1984 Chevrolet, Owen's 1st Square

05-15-2014, 12:38 PM	#48
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05-16-2014, 11:57 AM	#49
slow4dr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 151	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Here are the plates that will be used to make the upper control arm fixtures. Rear shock mount fixtures Panhard bar installed -J -J

05-27-2014, 12:39 PM	#50
slow4dr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 151	Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10! Double checking the geometry Things to note: Driver side spindle is different than Passenger. The passenger side design is our new custom set-up. It is based on a C10 pin and uses the factory lower ball joint with a heavy duty Moog upper. The steering arm is removable and helped us attain the geometry and turning radius we desired. How's this for ground clearance? We tried and accomplished keeping all suspension parts on the same plane as the bottom of the frame. -J

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