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11-09-2022, 07:05 PM | #26 | |
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I got mine from Pull-A-Part for $35 for the pump and bracket (you want to grab that because it already has the rubber isolators and is basically a cradle for the pump. |
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11-10-2022, 11:53 AM | #27 | |
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11-16-2022, 03:57 PM | #28 |
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Anyone have one of these Volvo pumps that you can get the dimensions for me? Thanks
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11-16-2022, 04:23 PM | #29 |
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11-16-2022, 05:41 PM | #30 |
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Not to preach but I don't generally buy "kits". Those who sell kits have usually just gathered up the separate components, marked it up and called it a kit. If you can figure what individual parts you need you'll be farther ahead to do it that way. Fortunately, with the internet and forums like this, others have already figured it out for you.
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11-16-2022, 07:27 PM | #31 |
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Other thoughts on "kits" - sometimes the kit may be discounted over the parts when purchased separately, rather than being marked up. But one should never assume that the kit is a better buy, always do the math and compare.
Another issue is that you need to be careful to make sure that the kit is actually suited to what you need. Case in point - the Unisteer full rack & pinion kit linked on the last page appears to have everything needed. But after checking with them, this kit as packaged only works for short water pump applications. Won't fit trucks like mine with later engine swaps. But the description on the web page does NOT mention that fact. So due diligence is still required. Last edited by Arne; 01-20-2023 at 02:10 PM. |
01-16-2023, 10:35 PM | #32 |
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FWIW - I've started to install the Performance Online rack & pinion kit on my '64 C10. There are a couple of caveats that people should know before buying it. While the rack and its bracket fits very well to the frame, the lower steering shaft U-joint won't clear standard Saginaw steering pumps. So something other than the normal choice is necessary. (I think I will be going with the Volvo electric pump in mine.)
Also, while I think the web description mentions steering column mods may be needed, it doesn't give any details. And neither do the instructions that come with the kit, as they seem to be a copy/paste of the 67-72 instructions. The original column needs to be cut off near the firewall, and the セ" round shaft must be modified (ground flat on 2 sides) to convert it to a セ" DD so that the U-joint can be fitted. It's still a pretty good package, but it would have been nice to know the above up front. Last edited by Arne; 05-31-2023 at 01:06 AM. |
01-17-2023, 01:33 PM | #33 |
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I sure wish my local salvage yards were as reasonable as that. The only local units I can find are $200 and probably don't include the wiring pigtail. I'll probably need to go to eBay...
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01-18-2023, 07:26 PM | #34 |
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I went with the No Limit Engineering rack and pinion. Not exactly a no muss, no fuss install. Instructions are mediocre, but they are great at answering their phones to cover any questions. I have driven approximately 500 miles with no issues. I used Davis Speed Equipment for the power steering pump bracket.
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01-18-2023, 08:39 PM | #35 | |
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At this point, I'd say that the POL kit really is a fairly no-fuss kit, as long as you aren't trying to mount an old-style Saginaw pump in the stock location. That won't work. Using a later Type-2 pump will work with some fussing. Or using a remote mounted electric pump is relatively straightforward. Besides the pump issue, the only thing that keeps the POL kit from being a true bolt-on is the mods required for the steering column shaft. And that is pretty much required for any kind of steering swap. I'll be going with an electric Volvo pump mounted in the left fender well. Last edited by Arne; 02-18-2023 at 09:58 PM. |
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01-18-2023, 09:17 PM | #36 |
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The No Limit rack uses a 2009-2013 Silverado rack. I wanted to use the stock steering wheel and column on my conversion, so there was indeed some cutting and modification. Not crazy difficult, but you won't install it in a weekend..... I chose the No Limit route because they had a good reputation for quality and had the best, most available tech help. You call and you are talking with someone that has hands on experience installing and driving one. |
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Nice. Using a truck rack as the base is a better idea than using some light-duty car part.
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I'll touch back after I get the electric pump installed and have it all working. |
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01-18-2023, 09:42 PM | #38 |
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Here痴 what mine looks like.
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01-19-2023, 12:55 AM | #39 |
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Interesting. Does the steering shaft actually go through a hole in the top of the frame rail? That's a bit different.
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01-19-2023, 02:50 AM | #40 |
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Yes, you bore a hole (really a slot) in the top flange of the frame rail (as you see in the photo) to pass the steering shaft through. Underneath that slot sits a bearing to support the shaft. There are five holes that get drilled in the cross member to mount the rack, and that's about the extent of hacking on the frame. I cut the stock steering tube as close to the fire wall as I could to keep the steering shaft angles to a minimum. I relocated the lower steering column bearing further up on the shortened column. The rest of the column stayed stock. |
01-19-2023, 02:23 PM | #41 |
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Nice. I like the shallow shaft angles.
Now that I have my POL kit mounted, I'm pretty certain I've got it all sussed out. The kit bolts up to the frame with no drilling at all, the bracket mounts to the existing frame holes for the idler arm and steering box. But clearance at the lower shaft u-joint does not allow use of a normal Saginaw-style pump. You either need to use a later Type-2 pump with remote reservoir or go with an electric pump. (I'm going electric.) And I will need to make a small relief cut in the top of the frame rail for shaft clearance, and maybe trim the inner fender a bit. Last edited by Arne; 01-20-2023 at 02:15 PM. |
01-19-2023, 08:42 PM | #42 |
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The mechanical part of my conversion is now complete. Just waiting on the electric pump now.
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01-19-2023, 09:44 PM | #43 |
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Let us know how it drives and how the electric pump works out. Good for the archives! |
01-20-2023, 02:34 PM | #44 |
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Sure looks great so far. Make sure you post pics of the u-joints installed with the reliefs. One of the reasons I didnt go R+P was the hole in the frame where my VIN was.
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01-20-2023, 03:11 PM | #45 | |
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Frankly, POL's claim of "no chassis/frame mods" was one of the reasons I selected this kit. Here's some closeups of the two reliefs. |
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01-20-2023, 07:11 PM | #46 |
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Yep that's a s good as I've seen on these units. Well done.
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01-31-2023, 10:54 AM | #48 | |
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I am working to get my 1940 coupe going for shows this year, but after that i am back at the truck. Great job though!! Thanks for input too!!!
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01-31-2023, 01:31 PM | #49 | |
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02-06-2023, 12:22 AM | #50 |
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Another update - After slicing and dicing the original Volvo brackets to suit my preferred location, the electric pump is mounted. One new 5/16" hole in the frame rail was required. Plenty of room, no clearance issues at all. The pump sits on its 3 original rubber mounts, and the brackets and the mount cradle are solid.
I will start figuring out the plumbing tomorrow. I'd like to use the hoses I got from POL if I can. The return line should be no problem, but the pressure line may be a little too long. I need to get a M16x1.5 banjo fitting to adapt to the female -6 AN end of the pressure hose, will be looking to get one of those locally if possible. Once the hoses have been figured out, I will fill the reservoir, and then wire the pump. Three wires, very simple. Last, after spinning it lock-to-lock many times during the test fitting, I've come to the conclusion that I probably do need a third u-joint and a support bearing for the steering shaft. There is just a touch of rhythmic binding when spinning the wheel back and forth. I suspect the upper u-joint angle is a touch too acute. So I either need an additional u-joint, or a different joint with greater range of motion. I'll be looking into this soon. Last edited by Arne; 02-06-2023 at 12:53 AM. |
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