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*DroppedZ84* · 09-21-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by valleycustom

I should have my shop open by next summer, but until then I'm just doing the work out of my house. Yeah I have a few trucks driving around town that I bagged. I have a pewter Sonoma on 20" kmc's. I also did a black hardbody on caddy rims and it has the rear shaved.

I'll be on the lookout for those two. I may have to hit you up when you open your shop, to "Z" my front frame. Doesn't Killer Customz have a 67-72 that's bagged & bodydropped, also?

valleycustom · 09-21-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DroppedZ84

I'll be on the lookout for those two. I may have to hit you up when you open your shop, to "Z" my front frame. Doesn't Killer Customz have a 67-72 that's bagged & bodydropped, also?

I thought killer closed?

Musclerodz · 09-21-2005, 03:40 PM

"A" and "G" body Chevelles and Malibus are the most common with this setup but are far from ideal. With such short upper links, they bind with minimal movement and induce roll steer. The design is poor. Ideally you want the arms as long as possible to prevent roll steer, jonny joints to prevent binding in the diagonal arms, the arms spread apart on the rear for better load distribution, and the diagonals to be under the rear end to lower the roll center. I am no expert, but have learned a few things while desgining a road race suspension for my 68 Camaro. A good beginners book to read is Herb Adams "Chassis Engineering".

Mike

*DroppedZ84* · 09-21-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by valleycustom

I thought killer closed?

Hard to say really...I drive by there everyday, going down the 99, somedays, I see the door open, and there are cars in the shop. Last time the door was open, they were working on a baby blue 65 C10.
Do you belong to any of the local truck clubs? I think most of the bagged trucks around here belong to this chapter of Pharcyde...but most of them have 88+ trucks. Good to see someone building a classic

valleycustom · 09-21-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DroppedZ84

Hard to say really...I drive by there everyday, going down the 99, somedays, I see the door open, and there are cars in the shop. Last time the door was open, they were working on a baby blue 65 C10.
Do you belong to any of the local truck clubs? I think most of the bagged trucks around here belong to this chapter of Pharcyde...but most of them have 88+ trucks. Good to see someone building a classic

I was going to join Pharcyde but I changed my mind. For right now I'm laying low in the club scene.

*DroppedZ84* · 09-21-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by valleycustom

I was going to join Pharcyde but I changed my mind. For right now I'm laying low in the club scene.

Good deal, really.
Yeah, I take that back about Killer Ridez, I drove by there today, and the shop was being loaded with some other company..so yeah, I guess they ARE defunct.

valleycustom · 09-21-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DroppedZ84

Good deal, really.
Yeah, I take that back about Killer Ridez, I drove by there today, and the shop was being loaded with some other company..so yeah, I guess they ARE defunct.

Yeah that's what I thought. The last time I drove by there they had some other stuff there.

valleycustom · 11-08-2005, 11:49 PM

I figured I would snap a few pictures. I finally got the motor in.

Rollie396 · 11-09-2005, 03:00 AM

More pics!Lookin awesome.

valleycustom · 11-17-2005, 01:06 AM

Well after many hours of thinking I decided to redo the rear canti setup. It's going to look the same but have bigger components. The new verision isn't going to use bushings, but it's going to run wheel bearings from a mustang II rotor. With this new setup it will eaiser to get replacement bearings rather than making bushings from stock. Here are some pictures of the old setup and the new setup I'm making right now and some picture showing what I need to do to get this stuff to work. The first picture shows what the stock looks like when I start on the right and what it looks like when I'm finished on the left. The last picture you can see the difference between the old and the new.

FirstGen · 11-18-2005, 12:24 PM

Very nice work. How are you machining that tubing like that? Looks like some thick tube material you are using is that .250 wall? Just courious what size tubing 1.5? and what wall you are using on the suspension stuff. Are there guidelines on what size and wall tubing to use on frame and suspension stuff other than thicker the better

valleycustom · 11-18-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstGen

Very nice work. How are you machining that tubing like that? Looks like some thick tube material you are using is that .250 wall? Just courious what size tubing 1.5? and what wall you are using on the suspension stuff. Are there guidelines on what size and wall tubing to use on frame and suspension stuff other than thicker the better

The tubing in the picture is 2" O.D .375 wall. I'm maching the I.D of the DOM to 1 3/8" on my lathe then I run a broach through to create the keyway. On the frame I'm using 2x4 and 2x5 3/16" wall box and for the tubing I used 1.5" dom .156 wall.

Thanks
Jr

stueber68 · 11-18-2005, 06:15 PM

I tell you what, I have seen all sorts of fabrication and with what you have done I am amazed with your attention to detail. it's almost a shame to cover this up with a body. This setup, hell I can't come up with something to express it properly. Awesome job, I AM IMPRESSED.

valleycustom · 11-19-2005, 04:47 AM

Thanks. Here are some pictures showing how I get the keyway inside the DOM. There is a bushing that you insert into the tubing. This is a guide for the broach. You press the broach all the way through the tube, then you add shims behind the broach and press it again. You have to press the broach through 3 times before it's finished. It takes forever.

FirstGen · 11-19-2005, 06:07 AM

Very cool, thanks for the info and pics! Any pictures of your frame table? I would love to see what that looks like...
-Taylor

70short/step · 11-19-2005, 11:57 AM

You guys that are too far away to visit him are missing out! He did my rear suspension and while I was there checked out this awsome custom frame! The detail is unbeliveable and these pics dont do it justice!
He has a complete machine shop in his garage and can make damn near anything you want!

cornutz · 11-20-2005, 03:20 AM

Damn Jr... your head is full of kick ass ideas, I have been too busy to get over there... we have #2 coming really soon and I am trying to finish bidness with the kidlets rooms! I want to check out that rear end you are fab'n!

I still want you to notch the rear of the burb too! I know I wont be able to check things out this weekend but maybe next! You are on your way man, that shop of yours will do BIG things INDEED!

Bill

valleycustom · 11-21-2005, 01:26 AM

Here are a few pictures of the new rear canti components. This is almost finished.

valleycustom · 11-21-2005, 03:47 AM

Here are some more pictures. Before I stated that I was going to use Mustang II wheel bearings. Well just for fun I checked the ID on the C-10 wheel bearing and they have the same ID as the Mustang bearing. So I'm going to use all C-10 parts. In these pictures you can see the housing I machined for the wheel bearings. This setup is going to be much much better than the first prototype I had before. Now all I have to do is cut out the old and install the new. The new shaft is 1 3/8" oil hardened drill rod. This stuff isn't easy to machine. Then I used 3/16" high carbon keys for the keyways. With this setup the owner could tow a 5th wheel. LOL!!!

XXL · 11-22-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by valleycustom

Well just for fun I checked the ID on the C-10 wheel bearing and they have the same ID as the Mustang bearing. So I'm going to use all C-10 parts.

Stock, like a rock.

valleycustom · 11-23-2005, 07:05 PM

Well here are some pictures of the transplant. In the pictures you can see the difference between the old and the new setup.

valleycustom · 11-23-2005, 07:07 PM

More

valleycustom · 11-23-2005, 07:10 PM

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valleycustom · 11-23-2005, 07:15 PM

Never ending pictures

Izzy · 11-23-2005, 08:01 PM

Damn that's probably the best fab work I've seen.

09-21-2005, 03:40 PM	#78
Musclerodz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 2,364	"A" and "G" body Chevelles and Malibus are the most common with this setup but are far from ideal. With such short upper links, they bind with minimal movement and induce roll steer. The design is poor. Ideally you want the arms as long as possible to prevent roll steer, jonny joints to prevent binding in the diagonal arms, the arms spread apart on the rear for better load distribution, and the diagonals to be under the rear end to lower the roll center. I am no expert, but have learned a few things while desgining a road race suspension for my 68 Camaro. A good beginners book to read is Herb Adams "Chassis Engineering". Mike __________________ Mike Redpath

11-08-2005, 11:49 PM	#83
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup I figured I would snap a few pictures. I finally got the motor in. Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here

11-09-2005, 03:00 AM	#84
Rollie396 someday it will be done! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lloydminster,AB. Canada Posts: 1,620	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup More pics!Lookin awesome. __________________ '72 C-10 Proud owner of a million new and used pieces that used to be and will once again be(god willing) a testament to the term "they don't build em like that anymore. '80 LWB 2wd beater '67 GMC long fleet (cab donor) '66 long step (parked till it's turn comes around) '65 short step (parts truck that will donate it's bed and possibly frame to the '66) '06 Grand Prix wife's car (she hardly lets me touch it) my pics

11-17-2005, 01:06 AM	#85
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Well after many hours of thinking I decided to redo the rear canti setup. It's going to look the same but have bigger components. The new verision isn't going to use bushings, but it's going to run wheel bearings from a mustang II rotor. With this new setup it will eaiser to get replacement bearings rather than making bushings from stock. Here are some pictures of the old setup and the new setup I'm making right now and some picture showing what I need to do to get this stuff to work. The first picture shows what the stock looks like when I start on the right and what it looks like when I'm finished on the left. The last picture you can see the difference between the old and the new. Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here Last edited by valleycustom; 11-17-2005 at 01:12 AM.

11-18-2005, 12:24 PM	#86
FirstGen Just Don't Stop! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,239	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Very nice work. How are you machining that tubing like that? Looks like some thick tube material you are using is that .250 wall? Just courious what size tubing 1.5? and what wall you are using on the suspension stuff. Are there guidelines on what size and wall tubing to use on frame and suspension stuff other than thicker the better __________________ 1968 C10 build in process TT LSA/6L90e/9" Last edited by FirstGen; 11-18-2005 at 12:26 PM.

11-18-2005, 06:15 PM	#88
stueber68 1968 C20 Vortec Beast Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: STILLWATER,OKLAHOMA Posts: 483	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup I tell you what, I have seen all sorts of fabrication and with what you have done I am amazed with your attention to detail. it's almost a shame to cover this up with a body. This setup, hell I can't come up with something to express it properly. Awesome job, I AM IMPRESSED. __________________ Ugly or not it still kicks a**!

11-19-2005, 04:47 AM	#89
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Thanks. Here are some pictures showing how I get the keyway inside the DOM. There is a bushing that you insert into the tubing. This is a guide for the broach. You press the broach all the way through the tube, then you add shims behind the broach and press it again. You have to press the broach through 3 times before it's finished. It takes forever. Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here Last edited by valleycustom; 11-19-2005 at 04:49 AM.

11-19-2005, 06:07 AM	#90
FirstGen Just Don't Stop! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,239	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Very cool, thanks for the info and pics! Any pictures of your frame table? I would love to see what that looks like... -Taylor __________________ 1968 C10 build in process TT LSA/6L90e/9"

11-19-2005, 11:57 AM	#91
70short/step Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,579	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup You guys that are too far away to visit him are missing out! He did my rear suspension and while I was there checked out this awsome custom frame! The detail is unbeliveable and these pics dont do it justice! He has a complete machine shop in his garage and can make damn near anything you want! __________________ For every person with a spark of genius, There are a hundred with ignition trouble. 70 Short/Step

11-20-2005, 03:20 AM	#92
cornutz All Praise RANDY!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Central California Posts: 391	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Damn Jr... your head is full of kick ass ideas, I have been too busy to get over there... we have #2 coming really soon and I am trying to finish bidness with the kidlets rooms! I want to check out that rear end you are fab'n! I still want you to notch the rear of the burb too! I know I wont be able to check things out this weekend but maybe next! You are on your way man, that shop of yours will do BIG things INDEED! Bill

11-21-2005, 01:26 AM	#93
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Here are a few pictures of the new rear canti components. This is almost finished. Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here

11-21-2005, 03:47 AM	#94
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Here are some more pictures. Before I stated that I was going to use Mustang II wheel bearings. Well just for fun I checked the ID on the C-10 wheel bearing and they have the same ID as the Mustang bearing. So I'm going to use all C-10 parts. In these pictures you can see the housing I machined for the wheel bearings. This setup is going to be much much better than the first prototype I had before. Now all I have to do is cut out the old and install the new. The new shaft is 1 3/8" oil hardened drill rod. This stuff isn't easy to machine. Then I used 3/16" high carbon keys for the keyways. With this setup the owner could tow a 5th wheel. LOL!!! Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here Last edited by valleycustom; 11-21-2005 at 03:48 AM.

11-23-2005, 07:05 PM	#96
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup Well here are some pictures of the transplant. In the pictures you can see the difference between the old and the new setup. Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here

11-23-2005, 07:07 PM	#97
valleycustom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 225	Re: Custom Chassis with canti setup More Attached Images __________________ Please become a site supporting vendor to advertise a business in your signature. you can do so here

11-23-2005, 07:10 PM	#98
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11-23-2005, 07:15 PM	#99
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11-23-2005, 08:01 PM	#100
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