P/S for a 67 4x4 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

qksilver · 11-23-2006, 11:38 PM

Just bought a 67 chassis service manual, thanks warbones! As I was looking thru it there were pix of a 4X4 P/S set up. It had a control valve assembly mounted on the pitman arm side of the ? link between the steering and pitman arm. Then it had a ram that mounted on the axle to the drag link.
Anybody ever see this set up? I am sure it is rare
I was going to install a P/S box on my 67 I am restoring, knowing it wasn't orginal but making it easier for me to drive.
Would looking for this be a wild goose chase?
Thanks,
Steve

GMCMAX · 11-24-2006, 12:03 AM

If you aren't going for originality, I would use the p/s box.
If I know correctly, the ram steering is a leaky pita.

qksilver · 11-24-2006, 12:36 AM

I agree but this has been a long term project (6 years) and i promised myself that i would do one truck as factory correct as possible. Just a thought when I saw the pix

GMCMAX · 11-24-2006, 01:01 AM

Good luck on your endeavor, stuff's out there if you can get it before the garbage guy does.

krue · 11-24-2006, 01:06 AM

Someone (ghetto superman I think) posted a thread today on a ram style ps setup he saw on a 68. I don't know if it would be what you're looking for.

1969k10stepside · 11-24-2006, 01:13 AM

It sounds like something on one of my trucks,I will look tomorow when the suns comes up and get back with you.

qksilver · 11-24-2006, 12:05 PM

I saw that Krue but I think it is a 2 wheel drive. I have a set up for 2 wheel but the steering box and linkage are completely different. The ram might be the same

1969k10 that would be great.
Thanks,
Steve

1969k10stepside · 11-24-2006, 12:13 PM

Well, I looked and the two trucks in my sig and all the other parts I have laying around ,and I didnt have that setup but I know a guy who had a 65 GMC K10 w/ the setup.Thats what I was remembering.It had the Big GMC V6 and a 4 speed.

Bob Moore · 11-24-2006, 01:27 PM

Not sure about 68 but the ram was the only way for PS in 67 - 2wd or 4wd. Other manufacture's also used it - Dodge. I believe Corvette used it for several years. Maybe other GM cars in the 60's. Don't limit yourself to only 67 trucks at the junkyard. Maybe even Chevy vans with the motor between the seats - don't know the year.

You should be able to find one - Bob

qksilver · 11-24-2006, 09:19 PM

The yards around here are either picked out or gone. With the price of scrap the stuff doesn't sit around. My 67 has a lot of factory orginal options and I thought this would be great to add

pickupman · 11-24-2006, 11:38 PM

I am pretty sure the ram style ws only available on the 2wd's. I did have a 67-68 4wd PS gear box at one time if interested, I will dig around to see if I still have it.
Bill

qksilver · 11-25-2006, 12:26 AM

From what I saw in the chassis manual it is suposed to be a ram style, I would be curious about your 67-68 P/S box. I have 69-up ones but can you send me a pix?
Thanks,
Steve
SCJKOVACH@AOL.COM

**'68OrangeSunshine** · 11-25-2006, 06:49 AM

I tried putting a '69 P/S gearbox on my late '67 Sub, it was a nightmare. The gearbox kept breaking loose and busting grade-8 1/2" bolts, it shifted the drivers side spring perch, but worst of all it changed from a tight-turner to the Queen Mary. It took 4 lanes to make a 180* turn. If you can get the ram-style slave actuators, fine. Corvette parts is where to look, but other wise stay away from shadetree P/S conversions on a '67 4x4. BTDT. Had to pay to get it back to manual, and it was still never right.

Bob Moore · 11-25-2006, 01:33 PM

Since this is a ram assisted set-up, the box should not have any lines to it. I would think the box would be the same as the manual set-up. You would need a bracket to mount the ram and probably a center link with the extra hole for the ram if it mounts like a tie rod.

pickupman · 11-25-2006, 08:24 PM

Sorry guys I must have already sold it, could not find it From what I can remember the box looked similar to the 69 up but the arm came of to the side and down. I have only ran across 2 of them in all my years of parting trucks.
Bill

qksilver · 11-25-2006, 10:31 PM

that would have been the one............it might have been off of a forward control or C-40 truck. I should have never bought that manual! Too many things I have never seen are in it, like the P/S set up and a factory rear sway bar. It also showed a 67 292 A/C .

**'68OrangeSunshine** · 11-26-2006, 06:29 AM

If you're less concerned with _concours d'elegance_ level vintage purity than with functional practicality, then one option would be to swap out the closed knuckle 10-bolt Corp front axle for a Dana 44 from a '69-'76 K/5. That will give you Power Steering and Disc Brake capability.
That's my plan when I intend to revive my dormant '67 K/10 Sub. I already have a D44 front core.

qksilver · 11-26-2006, 10:57 AM

Not this one, I have more than enough parts to do a disc front end. This truck is going back 67 and 67 only...........except for the power if I can't find a 67 only one. i have a 68 Burb 4X4 with no dimple with a P/S box that i will use.
I didn't think/want to start this goose chase until I saw the 67 manual talking about rebuild it and having diagrams!

boundstaffpress · 11-28-2006, 04:43 PM

I had a divorced power unit on a 67 nova wagon. They are still available from Chevy II parts suppliers. Way cheaper than Corvette parts. If I remember, the cylinder is ~$100, and the actuator is about he same. You'll also need a different pitman arm that will accept the actuator ball joint.

I would never put one on a vehicle again. The actuator depends on you moving the stearing wheel a little bit, then it adds power to the cylinder. I found that this led to real problems on the highway. Bump the wheel just a little, and you were in the next lane. If purity is what you want, stay manual. If convenience is what you want, put on an integrated power steering box. It may be that you can't have it both ways on your 4x4. my.02

JAKES 68GMC · 11-28-2006, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '68OrangeSunshine

I tried putting a '69 P/S gearbox on my late '67 Sub, it was a nightmare. The gearbox kept breaking loose and busting grade-8 1/2" bolts, it shifted the drivers side spring perch, but worst of all it changed from a tight-turner to the Queen Mary. It took 4 lanes to make a 180* turn. If you can get the ram-style slave actuators, fine. Corvette parts is where to look, but other wise stay away from shadetree P/S conversions on a '67 4x4. BTDT. Had to pay to get it back to manual, and it was still never right.

I've never heard of that. Board member Erl has a 68 GMC 3/4ton 4x4, almost a twin to my truck, that he put PS on. He used a 69-up PS box. He said he heated the frame up where the steering box bolted on, and pounded the dimple in the frame, and the box worked fine with the closed knuckle front end. He also said he had to make a new drag link for the steering, too.

qksilver · 11-28-2006, 10:10 PM

That is what was done on my 68 burb..........back in the day i had a few different vehicle with the ram assist, sometimes the memories will still scare me. The 67 will probably sit in the garage after I get it done. Too much time, effort and money already to chance it! I do have a driver............Just this one truck

**'68OrangeSunshine** · 12-01-2006, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAKES 68GMC

I've never heard of that. Board member Erl has a 68 GMC 3/4ton 4x4, almost a twin to my truck, that he put PS on. He used a 69-up PS box. He said he heated the frame up where the steering box bolted on, and pounded the dimple in the frame, and the box worked fine with the closed knuckle front end. He also said he had to make a new drag link for the steering, too.

I don't know much about the 3/4 tons. I think it's different. Mine was a half-ton [K/10].

4bynut · 12-01-2006, 05:16 PM

I know your going for original. But if you can't find the original parts and change plans. Here's a couple pics of what i did with my 67 SWB 4x4. I used a piece of another frame and welded it over the original frame. I used a 76 D44 so i got disc brake and power steering. Thanks Jason

qksilver · 12-01-2006, 10:49 PM

Thanks...........saw the P/S pump 292 set up on ebay BIG BUCKS!

toomanytoyz · 01-13-2007, 11:06 AM

Is this what u are talking about? I bought this several yrs ago for my 55 Nomad, Ended up going with a 605 Gearbox.................

This came off a early 60's Impala that i found in the Junkyard.

Thanks, Rick

P.S.

Also concerning your other post about the Clutch pivot, When i was at Yard last week getting the Dually Rims for my 72 Wrecker. I saw a 67 C40 that had a 6 & it had a bracket mounted to side of motor with the Ball pressed on it, Would u like me to get a pic of it next time Im at Yard?

11-23-2006, 11:38 PM	#1
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	P/S for a 67 4x4 Just bought a 67 chassis service manual, thanks warbones! As I was looking thru it there were pix of a 4X4 P/S set up. It had a control valve assembly mounted on the pitman arm side of the ? link between the steering and pitman arm. Then it had a ram that mounted on the axle to the drag link. Anybody ever see this set up? I am sure it is rare I was going to install a P/S box on my 67 I am restoring, knowing it wasn't orginal but making it easier for me to drive. Would looking for this be a wild goose chase? Thanks, Steve

11-24-2006, 12:03 AM	#2
GMCMAX Active Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lower Mid-East Ca. Posts: 326	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 If you aren't going for originality, I would use the p/s box. If I know correctly, the ram steering is a leaky pita. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig! Gets More Chicks My lugnuts require more torque than your honda makes! 68 GMC, 4X4 conversion w/73 k20 running gear and springs, 350 4spd, 4.10's, D44 powerlok front, 14BFF govlock rear, 33" tires, lifted 4".

11-24-2006, 12:36 AM	#3
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 I agree but this has been a long term project (6 years) and i promised myself that i would do one truck as factory correct as possible. Just a thought when I saw the pix

11-24-2006, 01:01 AM	#4
GMCMAX Active Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lower Mid-East Ca. Posts: 326	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Good luck on your endeavor, stuff's out there if you can get it before the garbage guy does. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig! Gets More Chicks My lugnuts require more torque than your honda makes! 68 GMC, 4X4 conversion w/73 k20 running gear and springs, 350 4spd, 4.10's, D44 powerlok front, 14BFF govlock rear, 33" tires, lifted 4".

11-24-2006, 01:06 AM	#5
krue Designated A-hole! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 36,448	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Someone (ghetto superman I think) posted a thread today on a ram style ps setup he saw on a 68. I don't know if it would be what you're looking for. __________________ "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!" Being stupid ain't illegal. We're Still Debt Free Except for the House!!! www.daveramsey.com 70 GMC SWB Stepside project "Green Booger" soon to be 6.0l/4l80e 93 S-10 "Poppaw's Truck"

11-24-2006, 01:13 AM	#6
1969k10stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 21,019	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 It sounds like something on one of my trucks,I will look tomorow when the suns comes up and get back with you.

11-24-2006, 12:05 PM	#7
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 I saw that Krue but I think it is a 2 wheel drive. I have a set up for 2 wheel but the steering box and linkage are completely different. The ram might be the same 1969k10 that would be great. Thanks, Steve

11-24-2006, 12:13 PM	#8
1969k10stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 21,019	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Well, I looked and the two trucks in my sig and all the other parts I have laying around ,and I didnt have that setup but I know a guy who had a 65 GMC K10 w/ the setup.Thats what I was remembering.It had the Big GMC V6 and a 4 speed. Last edited by 1969k10stepside; 11-24-2006 at 12:17 PM.

11-24-2006, 01:27 PM	#9
Bob Moore Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tacoma WA Posts: 1,365	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Not sure about 68 but the ram was the only way for PS in 67 - 2wd or 4wd. Other manufacture's also used it - Dodge. I believe Corvette used it for several years. Maybe other GM cars in the 60's. Don't limit yourself to only 67 trucks at the junkyard. Maybe even Chevy vans with the motor between the seats - don't know the year. You should be able to find one - Bob __________________ 67 C-20 LWB, tilt, speed alert, vac, 454, T400 67 C-10 SWB, factory air with more to follow

11-24-2006, 09:19 PM	#10
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 The yards around here are either picked out or gone. With the price of scrap the stuff doesn't sit around. My 67 has a lot of factory orginal options and I thought this would be great to add

11-24-2006, 11:38 PM	#11
pickupman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Greeneville, TN Posts: 3,097	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 I am pretty sure the ram style ws only available on the 2wd's. I did have a 67-68 4wd PS gear box at one time if interested, I will dig around to see if I still have it. Bill __________________ atheystruck@comcast.net 67 1/2 ton 4wd custom cab 72 1/2 ton 4wd super cheyenne 71 1/2 BB super cheyenne shortbed

11-25-2006, 12:26 AM	#12
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 From what I saw in the chassis manual it is suposed to be a ram style, I would be curious about your 67-68 P/S box. I have 69-up ones but can you send me a pix? Thanks, Steve SCJKOVACH@AOL.COM

11-25-2006, 06:49 AM	#13
'68OrangeSunshine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Posts: 7,622	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 I tried putting a '69 P/S gearbox on my late '67 Sub, it was a nightmare. The gearbox kept breaking loose and busting grade-8 1/2" bolts, it shifted the drivers side spring perch, but worst of all it changed from a tight-turner to the Queen Mary. It took 4 lanes to make a 180* turn. If you can get the ram-style slave actuators, fine. Corvette parts is where to look, but other wise stay away from shadetree P/S conversions on a '67 4x4. BTDT. Had to pay to get it back to manual, and it was still never right. __________________ Every 25 years I like to rebuild that 292, whether it needs it or not. Last edited by '68OrangeSunshine; 11-25-2006 at 06:54 AM.

11-25-2006, 01:33 PM	#14
Bob Moore Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tacoma WA Posts: 1,365	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Since this is a ram assisted set-up, the box should not have any lines to it. I would think the box would be the same as the manual set-up. You would need a bracket to mount the ram and probably a center link with the extra hole for the ram if it mounts like a tie rod. __________________ 67 C-20 LWB, tilt, speed alert, vac, 454, T400 67 C-10 SWB, factory air with more to follow

11-25-2006, 08:24 PM	#15
pickupman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Greeneville, TN Posts: 3,097	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Sorry guys I must have already sold it, could not find it From what I can remember the box looked similar to the 69 up but the arm came of to the side and down. I have only ran across 2 of them in all my years of parting trucks. Bill __________________ atheystruck@comcast.net 67 1/2 ton 4wd custom cab 72 1/2 ton 4wd super cheyenne 71 1/2 BB super cheyenne shortbed



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11-25-2006, 10:31 PM	#16
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 that would have been the one............it might have been off of a forward control or C-40 truck. I should have never bought that manual! Too many things I have never seen are in it, like the P/S set up and a factory rear sway bar. It also showed a 67 292 A/C .

11-26-2006, 06:29 AM	#17
'68OrangeSunshine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Posts: 7,622	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 If you're less concerned with _concours d'elegance_ level vintage purity than with functional practicality, then one option would be to swap out the closed knuckle 10-bolt Corp front axle for a Dana 44 from a '69-'76 K/5. That will give you Power Steering and Disc Brake capability. That's my plan when I intend to revive my dormant '67 K/10 Sub. I already have a D44 front core. __________________ Every 25 years I like to rebuild that 292, whether it needs it or not.

11-26-2006, 10:57 AM	#18
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Not this one, I have more than enough parts to do a disc front end. This truck is going back 67 and 67 only...........except for the power if I can't find a 67 only one. i have a 68 Burb 4X4 with no dimple with a P/S box that i will use. I didn't think/want to start this goose chase until I saw the 67 manual talking about rebuild it and having diagrams!

11-28-2006, 04:43 PM	#19
boundstaffpress Jamie Hyneman is my twin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: La Junta, Colorado Posts: 705	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 I had a divorced power unit on a 67 nova wagon. They are still available from Chevy II parts suppliers. Way cheaper than Corvette parts. If I remember, the cylinder is ~$100, and the actuator is about he same. You'll also need a different pitman arm that will accept the actuator ball joint. I would never put one on a vehicle again. The actuator depends on you moving the stearing wheel a little bit, then it adds power to the cylinder. I found that this led to real problems on the highway. Bump the wheel just a little, and you were in the next lane. If purity is what you want, stay manual. If convenience is what you want, put on an integrated power steering box. It may be that you can't have it both ways on your 4x4. my.02 __________________ Justin SOLD 1967 K10 Fleetside, 283, Front and Rear Posi SOLD Color Wiring Diagrams Now in High Resolution V8 and Cab and Cab and Chassis

11-28-2006, 10:10 PM	#21
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 That is what was done on my 68 burb..........back in the day i had a few different vehicle with the ram assist, sometimes the memories will still scare me. The 67 will probably sit in the garage after I get it done. Too much time, effort and money already to chance it! I do have a driver............Just this one truck

12-01-2006, 05:16 PM	#23
4bynut Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Morrison, IL Posts: 793	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 I know your going for original. But if you can't find the original parts and change plans. Here's a couple pics of what i did with my 67 SWB 4x4. I used a piece of another frame and welded it over the original frame. I used a 76 D44 so i got disc brake and power steering. Thanks Jason Attached Images __________________ 2007 Chevy 2500HD crew cab, 4x4, duramax w/Allison trans. 2001 Chevy ZR2 Ext. cab 4x4 (DD) 1967 Chevy SWB 4x4, BBC, Th400, NP205, 6" lift, and 35's (In Process) 1970 Chevy Blazer 4x4, BBC, TH400, NP241, 6" lift, and 38.5 boggers in front, 44 boggers on the rear ( mud racer project) Last edited by 4bynut; 10-04-2007 at 09:14 PM.

12-01-2006, 10:49 PM	#24
qksilver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern Pines NC Posts: 3,853	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Thanks...........saw the P/S pump 292 set up on ebay BIG BUCKS!

01-13-2007, 11:06 AM	#25
toomanytoyz Luv the Crewcabs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Andrews, In. 46702 Posts: 4,097	Re: P/S for a 67 4x4 Is this what u are talking about? I bought this several yrs ago for my 55 Nomad, Ended up going with a 605 Gearbox................. This came off a early 60's Impala that i found in the Junkyard. Thanks, Rick P.S. Also concerning your other post about the Clutch pivot, When i was at Yard last week getting the Dually Rims for my 72 Wrecker. I saw a 67 C40 that had a 6 & it had a bracket mounted to side of motor with the Ball pressed on it, Would u like me to get a pic of it next time Im at Yard?

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