Interesting (frustrating?) gauge cluster issues.. - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Russ72C10 · 08-15-2002, 10:12 PM

How's everyone? Here's my "finding" of the day.... maybe someone can shed some light on this for me.

The printed circuit I have in my truck right now was rotten in spots, so I had to jumper in some wires to complete the circuit. works perfectly though. Dash lights are bright. But, ever since I did that, the left signal does not flash on the cluster. The right one does, but not the left. Hmmm. Also, the factory temperature gauge doesn't work... so, off I go...

I come back home with two complete gauge clusters in great condition. Printed circuits are perfect. So I remove everything from my truck to swap over one of the good printed circuits, and one of the temp gauges. One thing I notice is that apparently the printed cluster in my truck is for a TACH cluster - and there's no factory tach in it. Even better... so I thought...

I replace everything, slide the cluster back into the truck... check all grounds, etc. Well.... the brights are on by default with the new circuit. I have to kick them off by foot. Also, BOTH signal lights are on full-glow! Signals work, but both lights remain on. And, the "new" temp guage pegs itself to the Hot side. Unlike the old junk one, that goes to the cold side.

Well, I unhook it all again (getting good at this!) and put my old circuit back on. Everything works fine again.

Anyone else experience this before? One thing I've noticed is that the #1 wire (black) on the wiring harness is just hanging there, it's attached to nothing. But everything seems to work anyway. What is that black wire for?

Also, is it at all possible this truck originally had a tach dash which was swapped out - but the tach printed circuit was kept? If so, would the wiring harness be of that for a tach cluster? So it wouldn't work on a "normal" cluster?

Lots of questions..... but I'm learning... albeit slowly....

I'm sure someone here knows all the answers

Longhorn Man · 08-15-2002, 10:51 PM

The tach would be wired seperatly.
It sounds liek a bad ground problem.
I'll bet the large back wire is a ground. (not sure though)
I always ground my inst panel to the dash.

Russ72C10 · 08-15-2002, 11:01 PM

It's odd that with both of them hooked up the exact same way, one works - and one displays odd behavior. Hmmm.

I made darn sure to ground them from the circuit to bare metal under the steering column. Stopped that gremlin before it started. lol.

As it is, I'm still scratching my head.....

I hate ground issues!

JimKshortstep4x4 · 08-16-2002, 08:14 AM

The gauges and dash lights are grounded through the main feed to the dash through the printed circuit which works for the most part. By grounding the dash, you provide a better ground for the gauges and the dash lights because the printed circuit attachment screws ground the printed circuit to the dash.

Jim

busterwivell · 08-16-2002, 11:52 AM

Someone posted here not too long ago the 4 most common wiring problems, and it went sonthing like this:

1.. check the ground

2.. check the ground

3.. check all connections and recheck the ground

4.. check the ground

I can tell you from experience when I wired the Studebaker, my bright light indicator was on anytime the lights were on, just brighter when I turned on the brights. Traced the problem to........get this, a BAD GROUND at one of the headlights. Imagine that?

Lippyp · 08-16-2002, 12:25 PM

Where exactly do I run a wire from on the back of the guage cluster to add an extra ground? I have had this problem intermitantly ever since I bought my truck and am still no closer to sorting it out, so anything that may help!

Longhorn Man · 08-16-2002, 12:49 PM

From the metal on the inst. panel...to the metal on the dash. Remove all paint and corrosion.

08-15-2002, 11:01 PM	#3
Russ72C10 Four Wheeler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Decatur, IL Posts: 101	It's odd that with both of them hooked up the exact same way, one works - and one displays odd behavior. Hmmm. I made darn sure to ground them from the circuit to bare metal under the steering column. Stopped that gremlin before it started. lol. As it is, I'm still scratching my head..... I hate ground issues! __________________ '84 K20 4x4 350 V8 - Weiand intake - Headers - 4" Tuff Country lift - 35x12.50 ProComp M/Ts on 15x10s

08-16-2002, 11:52 AM	#5
busterwivell Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sahuarita, AZ USA Posts: 2,033	Someone posted here not too long ago the 4 most common wiring problems, and it went sonthing like this: 1.. check the ground 2.. check the ground 3.. check all connections and recheck the ground 4.. check the ground I can tell you from experience when I wired the Studebaker, my bright light indicator was on anytime the lights were on, just brighter when I turned on the brights. Traced the problem to........get this, a BAD GROUND at one of the headlights. Imagine that? __________________ Bill - Tucson, AZ 47 Chevrolet 2 dr sedan 56 Chevrolet 210 2 dr sedan 66 Chevrolet Malibu 2 dr 4 speed 71 Chevrolet C30 Longhorn 86 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (Sold) 01 Chevrolet Tahoe IM - BUSTERWIVE@aol.com

08-16-2002, 12:25 PM	#6
Lippyp English Chevy Owner Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shropshire, UK/ Lot, France Posts: 1,848	Where exactly do I run a wire from on the back of the guage cluster to add an extra ground? I have had this problem intermitantly ever since I bought my truck and am still no closer to sorting it out, so anything that may help! __________________ Phil '67 C10 long fleet. 350/TH350, 4 bbl Carter, K&N, Dual exhaust, loads of stuff coming soon 2001 S10 Blazer Daily Driver, bone stock 4 door 4x4 with manual transmission

08-15-2002, 10:12 PM	#1
Russ72C10 Four Wheeler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Decatur, IL Posts: 101	Interesting (frustrating?) gauge cluster issues.. How's everyone? Here's my "finding" of the day.... maybe someone can shed some light on this for me. The printed circuit I have in my truck right now was rotten in spots, so I had to jumper in some wires to complete the circuit. works perfectly though. Dash lights are bright. But, ever since I did that, the left signal does not flash on the cluster. The right one does, but not the left. Hmmm. Also, the factory temperature gauge doesn't work... so, off I go... I come back home with two complete gauge clusters in great condition. Printed circuits are perfect. So I remove everything from my truck to swap over one of the good printed circuits, and one of the temp gauges. One thing I notice is that apparently the printed cluster in my truck is for a TACH cluster - and there's no factory tach in it. Even better... so I thought... I replace everything, slide the cluster back into the truck... check all grounds, etc. Well.... the brights are on by default with the new circuit. I have to kick them off by foot. Also, BOTH signal lights are on full-glow! Signals work, but both lights remain on. And, the "new" temp guage pegs itself to the Hot side. Unlike the old junk one, that goes to the cold side. Well, I unhook it all again (getting good at this!) and put my old circuit back on. Everything works fine again. Anyone else experience this before? One thing I've noticed is that the #1 wire (black) on the wiring harness is just hanging there, it's attached to nothing. But everything seems to work anyway. What is that black wire for? Also, is it at all possible this truck originally had a tach dash which was swapped out - but the tach printed circuit was kept? If so, would the wiring harness be of that for a tach cluster? So it wouldn't work on a "normal" cluster? Lots of questions..... but I'm learning... albeit slowly.... I'm sure someone here knows all the answers __________________ '84 K20 4x4 350 V8 - Weiand intake - Headers - 4" Tuff Country lift - 35x12.50 ProComp M/Ts on 15x10s

08-15-2002, 10:51 PM	#2
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	The tach would be wired seperatly. It sounds liek a bad ground problem. I'll bet the large back wire is a ground. (not sure though) I always ground my inst panel to the dash.

08-16-2002, 08:14 AM	#4
JimKshortstep4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Muskegon,MI,USA Posts: 6,026	The gauges and dash lights are grounded through the main feed to the dash through the printed circuit which works for the most part. By grounding the dash, you provide a better ground for the gauges and the dash lights because the printed circuit attachment screws ground the printed circuit to the dash. Jim

08-16-2002, 12:49 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	From the metal on the inst. panel...to the metal on the dash. Remove all paint and corrosion.



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