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72ChevyCheyenne · 09-20-2002, 03:09 PM

I have a 350/330 crate motor I bought last year and I want more horsepower. Here are the optioms that I am looking at:

1. Install one of the new Vortech Carburated Superchargers with all accessories. This will give me approx. 450hp with 5 lbs of boost.

2. Sell the small block and put in a new ZZ502 big block which will give me 502hp.

ebfabman · 09-20-2002, 03:15 PM

Hey Bill, Hows it going? Got that bed on yet?

My vote is.......
GO FOR THE BIG BLOCK!

jhow66 · 09-20-2002, 03:16 PM

I vote for the 502-I have a 502 HO (450 HP, 550 ftlb TQ) in my 71 Cheyenne--Ye Haw does it run ( be aware that they use oil like crazy-1 qt. every 300 or 400 miles but no smoke or leaks at any time--very strange)
P.S. TQ is king on the street.
www.geocities.com/jhow66/2-.html

Alexis · 09-20-2002, 03:17 PM

i'd go with the bigblock, at least maybe fuel injected. but yeah big block.

**1970 CST Short Wide** · 09-20-2002, 03:18 PM

502 502 502 502 502

72ChevyCheyenne · 09-20-2002, 03:21 PM

Ebfabman,
I just dropped off the bed today at the body shop. The cab, fenders and hood will go there next week. The frame gets powdercoated next week as well. Man I can't wait to get this thing done.

jhow66,
That is a lot of oil. This is the first I have heard about a 502 burning oil like that.

ebfabman · 09-20-2002, 05:31 PM

Kinda strange, the 454 in my 1 ton dually doesn't use any oil.

71GMC_3/4T · 09-20-2002, 06:49 PM

I read that about oil consumption too and wondered. I'll bet the rings aren't seated yet, or he switched to synthetic before it was fully broke in.
At least I know where my oil is going. My concrete driveway is slowly turning into blacktop...

busterwivell · 09-20-2002, 07:20 PM

My 402 doesn't use any oil, but the 350 I put in the Studebaker sure does...........I figured it must be a horsepower thing!

Go with the 502!

jhow66 · 09-20-2002, 09:17 PM

Hey guys I have over 5000 miles on my engine and it uses the same amount now as it did to start with. Using only 10w30 like Gm says. Checked with GM on oil usage and they say check with your dealer. Checked with dealer(Pace Performance Parts) and they say it is because of low tension oil rings that are used in these motors. The motors does not smoke at any time--cruise-flat out-startup or back off and does not leak a drop.Plugs are showing no sign of this much oil usage. Having said all this I would still buy another as it sure does haul the mail. But I think for this kind of money GM should forewarn you about it. Sorry to be so long winded but I still vote for the 502.

540 Stroker · 09-20-2002, 09:21 PM

Go with the 502...and when you get tired of that, throw that Vortech on it. It's bottom end is stout enough to withstand the blower.....unlike the weaker bottom end of the 330 crate engine.

jhow66- all 502s use low tension oil rings....which means oil consumption is a fact of life. The only way to get rid of the oil burning is to change out the rings to standard type oil rings. Got this info from Scoggin Dickey's latest catalog.

Als454 · 09-20-2002, 09:48 PM

BBC "There is no replacement for displacement"

72ChevyCheyenne · 09-21-2002, 06:33 AM

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I was leaning toward the 502 all along. I just needed to justify it. I'm going to order one from Scoggin-Dicky in a couple of weeks.

ty1295 · 09-21-2002, 03:02 PM

I guess i am the odd ball, with the theory

"There is a replacement for displacement, it is called technology!"

I say, go for fuel injection and a turbo. But I am biased being a GMC typhoon owner.

I was a big engine guy at one time, until I owned a NICE turbo car.

I have been converted.

I enjoy the 18mph on hiway, and 313 RWHP 450ft lbs out of a STOCK 4.3 V6.

Can't wait to get time, money, energy to put a turbo on the 70 GMC. hmmm 600+ hp, 700ft lbs... that should be ok....

Chevyc10! · 09-21-2002, 07:36 PM

Hey 72...check this place out before you go with Scoggin-Dicky...
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nate68 · 09-21-2002, 09:07 PM

The thing about centrifugal superchargers are that you really need a dyno to set them up properly and to get your jetting just right so you wont run too lean. i suggest getting a small roots style like a weiand 142. Nsane has one on his truck. they fit under the hood and cost considerably less than a centrifugal supercharger if you're going to go the supercharger route.
but then again you really should run forged pistons with forced induction. if you can afford the 502 then go for it.

woodrow59 · 09-21-2002, 09:48 PM

Hey 72ChevyCheyenne,,,,,,,,Looks like you're goin' with the BB, so whatcha want for the 350? Probably way out of my budget but saw you were close to me. Hey,,,,never hurts to ask !!!!!!

72ChevyCheyenne · 09-22-2002, 05:43 PM

Woodrow59, You have a PM

09-20-2002, 03:09 PM	#1
72ChevyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Woodstock, GA USA Posts: 300	What would you do? I have a 350/330 crate motor I bought last year and I want more horsepower. Here are the optioms that I am looking at: 1. Install one of the new Vortech Carburated Superchargers with all accessories. This will give me approx. 450hp with 5 lbs of boost. 2. Sell the small block and put in a new ZZ502 big block which will give me 502hp. __________________ Bill Durham http://home.attbi.com/~bulldurham 72 Cheyenne Restoration in progress Currently: frame sand blasted and powdercoated, Inline Tube brake and fuel lines, Blazer tank in rear, Holley Red electronic fuel pump, Eaton posi with 3.42 gears, 2 1/2" drop front spindles, 4" drop rear springs with adjustable panhard bar, KYB shocks, ZZ 502/502 GM Performance crate engine, Zoops brackets and pulleys, Vintage Air, dual electric fans, Ram Air II hood and late model sport side bed.

09-20-2002, 03:16 PM	#3
jhow66 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Knoxville Tenn. Posts: 3,058	I vote for the 502-I have a 502 HO (450 HP, 550 ftlb TQ) in my 71 Cheyenne--Ye Haw does it run ( be aware that they use oil like crazy-1 qt. every 300 or 400 miles but no smoke or leaks at any time--very strange) P.S. TQ is king on the street. www.geocities.com/jhow66/2-.html __________________ 56 Chevy Bel-Air 2dr. HT (purchased new) 71 Chevy Cheyenne SWB PU (502HO) 65 GMC short bed step--work in progress and my gofer

09-20-2002, 03:18 PM	#5
1970 CST Short Wide Senior Moment Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pittsburg Ca Posts: 4,190	502 502 502 502 502 __________________ 1970 CST LS 1 6 speed Ford 9 inch Detroit Tru Track, Dakota Didgital, Vintage Air, QA1 Coil Overs Front & Rear Lots of FUN 2013 GMC PU, Oldest Son 71 GMC LWB. QA1 Suspension, Angry SB. Youngest Son 2017 Toyota SUV Daughters car 2018 Traverse , Wife’s Ride Pittsburg Ca 94565

09-20-2002, 03:21 PM	#6
72ChevyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Woodstock, GA USA Posts: 300	Ebfabman, I just dropped off the bed today at the body shop. The cab, fenders and hood will go there next week. The frame gets powdercoated next week as well. Man I can't wait to get this thing done. jhow66, That is a lot of oil. This is the first I have heard about a 502 burning oil like that. __________________ Bill Durham http://home.attbi.com/~bulldurham 72 Cheyenne Restoration in progress Currently: frame sand blasted and powdercoated, Inline Tube brake and fuel lines, Blazer tank in rear, Holley Red electronic fuel pump, Eaton posi with 3.42 gears, 2 1/2" drop front spindles, 4" drop rear springs with adjustable panhard bar, KYB shocks, ZZ 502/502 GM Performance crate engine, Zoops brackets and pulleys, Vintage Air, dual electric fans, Ram Air II hood and late model sport side bed.

09-20-2002, 06:49 PM	#8
71GMC_3/4T Weapons Of Construction Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,095	I read that about oil consumption too and wondered. I'll bet the rings aren't seated yet, or he switched to synthetic before it was fully broke in. At least I know where my oil is going. My concrete driveway is slowly turning into blacktop... __________________ 1971 GMC 2500, 402/TH400 4.10 Daily Driver Lafayette, CO

09-20-2002, 03:15 PM	#2
ebfabman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 2,488	Hey Bill, Hows it going? Got that bed on yet? My vote is....... GO FOR THE BIG BLOCK!

09-20-2002, 03:17 PM	#4
Alexis Member since 2000 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Mountain View Ca / Mexico Posts: 7,874	i'd go with the bigblock, at least maybe fuel injected. but yeah big block.

09-20-2002, 05:31 PM	#7
ebfabman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 2,488	Kinda strange, the 454 in my 1 ton dually doesn't use any oil.

09-20-2002, 07:20 PM	#9
busterwivell Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sahuarita, AZ USA Posts: 2,033	My 402 doesn't use any oil, but the 350 I put in the Studebaker sure does...........I figured it must be a horsepower thing! Go with the 502! __________________ Bill - Tucson, AZ 47 Chevrolet 2 dr sedan 56 Chevrolet 210 2 dr sedan 66 Chevrolet Malibu 2 dr 4 speed 71 Chevrolet C30 Longhorn 86 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (Sold) 01 Chevrolet Tahoe IM - BUSTERWIVE@aol.com

09-20-2002, 09:17 PM	#10
jhow66 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Knoxville Tenn. Posts: 3,058	Hey guys I have over 5000 miles on my engine and it uses the same amount now as it did to start with. Using only 10w30 like Gm says. Checked with GM on oil usage and they say check with your dealer. Checked with dealer(Pace Performance Parts) and they say it is because of low tension oil rings that are used in these motors. The motors does not smoke at any time--cruise-flat out-startup or back off and does not leak a drop.Plugs are showing no sign of this much oil usage. Having said all this I would still buy another as it sure does haul the mail. But I think for this kind of money GM should forewarn you about it. Sorry to be so long winded but I still vote for the 502. __________________ 56 Chevy Bel-Air 2dr. HT (purchased new) 71 Chevy Cheyenne SWB PU (502HO) 65 GMC short bed step--work in progress and my gofer

09-20-2002, 09:21 PM	#11
540 Stroker Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 53	Go with the 502...and when you get tired of that, throw that Vortech on it. It's bottom end is stout enough to withstand the blower.....unlike the weaker bottom end of the 330 crate engine. jhow66- all 502s use low tension oil rings....which means oil consumption is a fact of life. The only way to get rid of the oil burning is to change out the rings to standard type oil rings. Got this info from Scoggin Dickey's latest catalog. __________________ Got torque?

09-20-2002, 09:48 PM	#12
Als454 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Vienna, Ohio, USA Posts: 259	BBC "There is no replacement for displacement" __________________ 72 Chevy A/C P/B P/S Tilt 454 Engine 400 TCI Trans C30 Frame C10 Suspension Short Wheel Base (Dually)

09-21-2002, 06:33 AM	#13
72ChevyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Woodstock, GA USA Posts: 300	Thanks everyone for the feedback. I was leaning toward the 502 all along. I just needed to justify it. I'm going to order one from Scoggin-Dicky in a couple of weeks. __________________ Bill Durham http://home.attbi.com/~bulldurham 72 Cheyenne Restoration in progress Currently: frame sand blasted and powdercoated, Inline Tube brake and fuel lines, Blazer tank in rear, Holley Red electronic fuel pump, Eaton posi with 3.42 gears, 2 1/2" drop front spindles, 4" drop rear springs with adjustable panhard bar, KYB shocks, ZZ 502/502 GM Performance crate engine, Zoops brackets and pulleys, Vintage Air, dual electric fans, Ram Air II hood and late model sport side bed.

09-21-2002, 03:02 PM	#14
ty1295 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: jeffersonville, IN Posts: 99	I guess i am the odd ball, with the theory "There is a replacement for displacement, it is called technology!" I say, go for fuel injection and a turbo. But I am biased being a GMC typhoon owner. I was a big engine guy at one time, until I owned a NICE turbo car. I have been converted. I enjoy the 18mph on hiway, and 313 RWHP 450ft lbs out of a STOCK 4.3 V6. Can't wait to get time, money, energy to put a turbo on the 70 GMC. hmmm 600+ hp, 700ft lbs... that should be ok.... __________________ Jeff Scott '70 GMC Stepside, Short box '63 Nova '92 GMC typhoon '95 Tahoe

09-21-2002, 07:36 PM	#15
Chevyc10! Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Centerville Ga. USA Posts: 804	Hey 72...check this place out before you go with Scoggin-Dicky... http://www.samtaylor.com/html/parts.html They are the cheapest and they aren't to far away to go and pick it up. Save yourself shipping cost. ZZ502 Crate Engine Kits ZZ502 Complete Crate Engine Kits p/n 12371204 Only $5,469.00 p/n 12496963 Only $5,729.00 p/n 12371171 Only $6,369.00 p/n 12496962 Only $6,629.00 This is where I'm gonna pick mine up... __________________ 68 SWB The Surgeon General doesn't say anything about smoking a Ford!!! Would rather be ran over repeatedly by a Chevy than drive a Ford!!! Paralyzed from the neck up and confined to a hat! Kathleen, Georgia USA



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09-21-2002, 09:07 PM	#16
nate68 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: ca Posts: 1,110	The thing about centrifugal superchargers are that you really need a dyno to set them up properly and to get your jetting just right so you wont run too lean. i suggest getting a small roots style like a weiand 142. Nsane has one on his truck. they fit under the hood and cost considerably less than a centrifugal supercharger if you're going to go the supercharger route. but then again you really should run forged pistons with forced induction. if you can afford the 502 then go for it. __________________ 68 short step, 406/700r4, 9" w/discs.

09-21-2002, 09:48 PM	#17
woodrow59 OzarkHillbilly in Atlanta Join Date: May 2002 Location: Douglasville, Ga. Salem, Mo. Posts: 386	Hey 72ChevyCheyenne,,,,,,,,Looks like you're goin' with the BB, so whatcha want for the 350? Probably way out of my budget but saw you were close to me. Hey,,,,never hurts to ask !!!!!! __________________ 72 custom/10 LWB 68 Longhorn C20 Custom Camper (sold)

09-22-2002, 05:43 PM	#18
72ChevyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Woodstock, GA USA Posts: 300	Woodrow59 Woodrow59, You have a PM __________________ Bill Durham http://home.attbi.com/~bulldurham 72 Cheyenne Restoration in progress Currently: frame sand blasted and powdercoated, Inline Tube brake and fuel lines, Blazer tank in rear, Holley Red electronic fuel pump, Eaton posi with 3.42 gears, 2 1/2" drop front spindles, 4" drop rear springs with adjustable panhard bar, KYB shocks, ZZ 502/502 GM Performance crate engine, Zoops brackets and pulleys, Vintage Air, dual electric fans, Ram Air II hood and late model sport side bed.

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