4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

69_hafton · 09-10-2007, 11:58 AM

Anyone have their truck dropped 4/6 with a Camaro rear sway bar? I installed a rear Camaro sway on mine with a ECE 4/6 drop and am having some minor clearance issues in the rear, but I think a CPP c-notch might take care of this. The brackets that mount the Camaro bar to the rear axle are hitting the frame on some of the hardest hits to the suspension.

Anyone already done this?

Also, a separate problem on the install - where do you get (2x3x1") blocks of aluminum to space out the end link brackets? Can't find anyone locally that has aluminum billets.

67Fleet · 09-10-2007, 03:06 PM

that sounds about normal w/ a 6" drop. You can get away without notching, but will hit on the bigger bumps. It's pretty easy to install a c-notch and you can usually find an ad in Custom Classic Trucks or Classic Trucks for CPP where they have them on sale for 99.00.

69_hafton · 09-10-2007, 04:22 PM

I'm just not sure if the c-notch would stop the bottoming out completely, especially with the extra height of the sway bar bracket on top of the rear axle. Hopefully someone has tried this before and will chime in.

Thanks for the mention of the ad in Classic Trucks, I saw another post while searching and plan on saving $30 if I go this route. I may just take it to a welder and get an estimate first.

HarrolLS1 · 09-11-2007, 05:22 PM

Can you post some pics of your set up? I would like to know the answer to this also.

Mr79C10 · 09-11-2007, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67Fleet

that sounds about normal w/ a 6" drop. You can get away without notching, but will hit on the bigger bumps. It's pretty easy to install a c-notch and you can usually find an ad in Custom Classic Trucks or Classic Trucks for CPP where they have them on sale for 99.00.

NO DOUBT!

I flipped my rear and still NEED to C-Notch cuz these RxR tracks by the office,,GEEEEEEEEZ! I thought I lost a tooth filling.

Quote:

HarrolLS1 Can you post some pics of your set up? I would like to know the answer to this also.

Please,please.

69_hafton · 09-11-2007, 11:52 PM

I don't have any pics yet, but my set up is like where the Camaro bar originated from:

http://www.low69cst.freeservers.com/CamaroBar.htm

The only difference is the axle is a lot closer to the frame than the pictures there. I'll get some pics the next time I take a wheel off to do some work in there. Oh, and I didn't weld on the clamps to the rear axle - I used 3" muffler clamps like I saw someone else do. Still have yet to find a way to space out the end link brackets, though.

Frizzle Fry · 09-12-2007, 11:30 AM

I'm running a Camaro rear bar but now I have an 8" step notch. That's with bags and 2.5" blocks. The sway bar was the reason I decided to keep the notch at 8". Otherwise I would have cut it down to 6". Notice that the 3" clamps are positioned inside the frame. That's where they were before the notch and cleared (bar would hit first if anything). I recommend you WELD the endlink brackets to the frame. Here are some pics at full lift.

69_hafton · 09-12-2007, 02:58 PM

Thanks Frizzle, that's quite the setup you've got there! Too aggressive for me right now, but I love the whole Tahoe thing you've got going.

I'll try sliding my brackets toward the center of the axle an inch or two. I think I'll have to remove the factory brake line hold down tabs on the axle to move them inward though. Your build is probably where I got the idea for the muffler clamps? I've got the mounts angled forward like yours also for the minor additional clearance.

Frizzle Fry · 09-12-2007, 03:57 PM

Thanks. I didn't have to remove the brake line clips, but I have a '72 rear. I also put a few tack welds on the 3" clamps to the axle tubes (on the plate half, not the U-Bolt) to keep them oriented correctly if/when I remove the bar (which I have, and it was nice).

To answer your original question, I think a C-Notch couldn't hurt!

69_hafton · 09-15-2007, 09:42 PM

I'm going to work with this some more, I've moved the clamps inboard of the shocks today - after the pics were taken - but something's still hitting - I think it's hitting on the driver's side. I trimmed maybe 1/4" from the ECE adj. panhard bar bracket where the sway bar was hitting on the passenger's side. I am gaining on it, though - every adjustment I've made, I've gained some suspension travel. The roads here are terrible, and the old suspension design doesn't help it, but I'll drive a few more days and see where the new marks are on the frame and sway bar components. Before I do a c-notch, I've got to know that it will make the indentation in the frame in exactly the right place. The end link setup is just temporary, BTW.

The pics show: (1) uncompressed suspension (2) compressed suspension from the rear and then from the side.

69_hafton · 07-25-2008, 01:40 PM

Ok, so I've finally decided not to notch my frame - I plan to use the truck for towing and do not want to take a chance on the frame bending.

After looking at it for some time (it's almost been a years already!), I'm going to try to run the bar upside down on the bottom of the differential. I'll have the end links installed next week, pending getting some spacers for the brackets. This may be a way to avoid clearance issues between the bar and frame. Still looks like a fairly clean install to me and doesn't reduce clearance much.

LUV2XCLR8 · 07-25-2008, 04:25 PM

Subscribed to see where this ends up

gringoloco · 07-25-2008, 09:39 PM

Looks good to me. It shouldn't hang any lower than shock relocators. Looks like it will work wih lowering blocks too- just need longer links than before. I like it.

70c10 · 07-26-2008, 12:54 PM

It looks like you recently went with rear discs too! Did you remove the bed to install your shock relocators?

69_hafton · 07-26-2008, 03:07 PM

I didn't have to remove the bed to install ECE's rear shock upper mounts - I guess these are the relocater's you're refering too? I can't remember, It's been over a year. I remember haveing to grind and drill to remove the old ones, and that the cross bar in the frame probably needs replaced eventually.

The disk brakes have turned out to be a good move - the drums were ok, but they liked to stick when they got wet and I just don't like the added maintenance. Like the sway bar, the brakes are from a Camaro - check out Glock's thread on brackets if you're interested:

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=249073

69_hafton · 08-07-2008, 04:07 PM

So far, so good. It road tested ok, I'm keeping my eye on clearances for the brake line, hoping to not pinch or rupture one. The suspension feels 10 times better just for the fact that nothing hits when going over bumps now. Still have confidence to take the corners a bit faster, too! The only thing hitting is the parking brake cable on the exhaust, but I plan on fixing that when I do the exhaust again. Ignore the coat hanger wire for now

gringoloco · 08-07-2008, 05:41 PM

Adding this to the project list...

Frizzle Fry · 08-08-2008, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gringoloco

Adding this to the project list...

FYI, I ended up taking mine off because it limits travel with bags. But for static rears it's great.

LUV2XCLR8 · 08-08-2008, 05:04 AM

Good to know Frizzle, so I assume w/ springs it's a non issue, as you said.

gringoloco · 08-09-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frizzle Fry

FYI, I ended up taking mine off because it limits travel with bags. But for static rears it's great.

How much does it limit it? Were you able to get full dump? Full lift is not really a limiting factor for me.

Frizzle Fry · 08-11-2008, 09:03 AM

I'd say it limited it to about 7-8" travel at which points the end-link mounts are being stressed pretty hard. You can set it where you want it, so full dump won't be an issue.

69_hafton · 08-19-2008, 10:43 AM

TTT - This setup is working really good with ECE 4/6 drop, and looks factory except for the aluminum spacers. I don't know why Addco or Hellwig couldn't modify the bends a little and make a swaybar set like this (hint, hint).

Just thought I'd post the numbers for the sway bar end links for anyone that finds this later and decides they want to do this, cause I'll forget for sure by the time I'm asked -

Energy Suspension 9-8121G 4 1/2 inch end links (or 9-8121R if you want red bushings)

I bought 1.25 x 2 x 3 1/4 aluminum spacers from an online company - one of the ads that came up when I googled "aluminum flat bar". They didn't have 1 1/8" stock like the guy that did the first conversion. Anyway, hope this helps someone.

Andy4639 · 08-25-2008, 03:26 PM

I bought a rear sway bar for the 71. I got it at Hawks thrid gen camaro parts here in town. $75.00 for all of it bar, u-bolts and the mounting clips. Got to clean it up and then install it.

09-10-2007, 11:58 AM	#1
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Anyone have their truck dropped 4/6 with a Camaro rear sway bar? I installed a rear Camaro sway on mine with a ECE 4/6 drop and am having some minor clearance issues in the rear, but I think a CPP c-notch might take care of this. The brackets that mount the Camaro bar to the rear axle are hitting the frame on some of the hardest hits to the suspension. Anyone already done this? Also, a separate problem on the install - where do you get (2x3x1") blocks of aluminum to space out the end link brackets? Can't find anyone locally that has aluminum billets. __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

09-10-2007, 03:06 PM	#2
67Fleet Outlandish Trends - FL Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,396	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? that sounds about normal w/ a 6" drop. You can get away without notching, but will hit on the bigger bumps. It's pretty easy to install a c-notch and you can usually find an ad in Custom Classic Trucks or Classic Trucks for CPP where they have them on sale for 99.00. __________________ -Bret 67 short-fleet sold!

09-10-2007, 04:22 PM	#3
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I'm just not sure if the c-notch would stop the bottoming out completely, especially with the extra height of the sway bar bracket on top of the rear axle. Hopefully someone has tried this before and will chime in. Thanks for the mention of the ad in Classic Trucks, I saw another post while searching and plan on saving $30 if I go this route. I may just take it to a welder and get an estimate first. __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

09-11-2007, 05:22 PM	#4
HarrolLS1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Saint Simons Island,Georgia Posts: 230	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Can you post some pics of your set up? I would like to know the answer to this also. __________________ Harrol 1968 SWB 1968 SWB 4x4 1969 Suburban 1970 LWB 1970 Blazer 2002 Tahoe Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened

09-11-2007, 11:52 PM	#6
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I don't have any pics yet, but my set up is like where the Camaro bar originated from: http://www.low69cst.freeservers.com/CamaroBar.htm The only difference is the axle is a lot closer to the frame than the pictures there. I'll get some pics the next time I take a wheel off to do some work in there. Oh, and I didn't weld on the clamps to the rear axle - I used 3" muffler clamps like I saw someone else do. Still have yet to find a way to space out the end link brackets, though. __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It Last edited by 69_hafton; 09-11-2007 at 11:53 PM.

09-12-2007, 11:30 AM	#7
Frizzle Fry Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hillsboro Oregon Posts: 6,449	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I'm running a Camaro rear bar but now I have an 8" step notch. That's with bags and 2.5" blocks. The sway bar was the reason I decided to keep the notch at 8". Otherwise I would have cut it down to 6". Notice that the 3" clamps are positioned inside the frame. That's where they were before the notch and cleared (bar would hit first if anything). I recommend you WELD the endlink brackets to the frame. Here are some pics at full lift. Last edited by Frizzle Fry; 09-12-2007 at 11:39 AM.

09-12-2007, 02:58 PM	#8
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Thanks Frizzle, that's quite the setup you've got there! Too aggressive for me right now, but I love the whole Tahoe thing you've got going. I'll try sliding my brackets toward the center of the axle an inch or two. I think I'll have to remove the factory brake line hold down tabs on the axle to move them inward though. Your build is probably where I got the idea for the muffler clamps? I've got the mounts angled forward like yours also for the minor additional clearance. __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

09-12-2007, 03:57 PM	#9
Frizzle Fry Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hillsboro Oregon Posts: 6,449	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Thanks. I didn't have to remove the brake line clips, but I have a '72 rear. I also put a few tack welds on the 3" clamps to the axle tubes (on the plate half, not the U-Bolt) to keep them oriented correctly if/when I remove the bar (which I have, and it was nice). To answer your original question, I think a C-Notch couldn't hurt!

09-15-2007, 09:42 PM	#10
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I'm going to work with this some more, I've moved the clamps inboard of the shocks today - after the pics were taken - but something's still hitting - I think it's hitting on the driver's side. I trimmed maybe 1/4" from the ECE adj. panhard bar bracket where the sway bar was hitting on the passenger's side. I am gaining on it, though - every adjustment I've made, I've gained some suspension travel. The roads here are terrible, and the old suspension design doesn't help it, but I'll drive a few more days and see where the new marks are on the frame and sway bar components. Before I do a c-notch, I've got to know that it will make the indentation in the frame in exactly the right place. The end link setup is just temporary, BTW. The pics show: (1) uncompressed suspension (2) compressed suspension from the rear and then from the side. Attached Images __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

07-25-2008, 01:40 PM	#11
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Ok, so I've finally decided not to notch my frame - I plan to use the truck for towing and do not want to take a chance on the frame bending. After looking at it for some time (it's almost been a years already!), I'm going to try to run the bar upside down on the bottom of the differential. I'll have the end links installed next week, pending getting some spacers for the brackets. This may be a way to avoid clearance issues between the bar and frame. Still looks like a fairly clean install to me and doesn't reduce clearance much. Attached Images __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

07-25-2008, 04:25 PM	#12
LUV2XCLR8 The LuvShack Garage Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maple Grove, TN (West Side) Posts: 30,468	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Subscribed to see where this ends up __________________ Owner/Op: "TN Classic Transport Carriers" The Toy: "Square Vette" 72 Hybrid Blazer Toy Barn: "LuvShack" 40 x 60 x 20 Shop Tow Piggy:"Maddy" 88 Silverado 3500 Hauler: "Feathers" 14 Aluma 8218T

07-25-2008, 09:39 PM	#13
gringoloco A guy with a truck Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany, for now Posts: 5,921	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Looks good to me. It shouldn't hang any lower than shock relocators. Looks like it will work wih lowering blocks too- just need longer links than before. I like it. __________________ -Chris Instagram _elgringoloco_ '70 Short-Wide How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10 ‘70 Blazer ConversionHow To: Ruin a Perfectly Good 4wd '72 Highlander How To: Ruin a Perfectly Good K/5 (SOLD) '72 Blazer 2WD How to: Ruin a perfectly good Blazer (SOLD) '05 Yukon Daily Driven (not so stock) Yukon (SOLD) ‘07 Yukon Denali (daily) Members met list: SCOTI, darkhorse970, 67cheby, 67cheby'sGirl, klmore, porterbuilt, n2billet, Fastrucken, classicchev, Col Clank, GSFMECH, HuggerCST, Spray-Bomb, BACKYARD88, 5150, fine69, fatbass, smbrouss70, 65StreetCruiser, GAc10boy

07-26-2008, 12:54 PM	#14
70c10 67-72 Addict! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The TAX State! Posts: 7,856	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? It looks like you recently went with rear discs too! Did you remove the bed to install your shock relocators? __________________ Jim 1970 C/10 Fleetside w/Ghost Flames Lowered 4.5" front and 4" rear (Raked) 355/350 Turbo w/shift kit 10" Redneck Performance Verter w/2500 stall Hooker Super Comps part#2808-1 Performer RPM Air-Gap 12 Bolt w/3:73 gears- Eaton Posi Comp Cams XE262 with 1.6 Crane Energizers, Road Demon 625 and Brodix IK 180 heads

07-26-2008, 03:07 PM	#15
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I didn't have to remove the bed to install ECE's rear shock upper mounts - I guess these are the relocater's you're refering too? I can't remember, It's been over a year. I remember haveing to grind and drill to remove the old ones, and that the cross bar in the frame probably needs replaced eventually. The disk brakes have turned out to be a good move - the drums were ok, but they liked to stick when they got wet and I just don't like the added maintenance. Like the sway bar, the brakes are from a Camaro - check out Glock's thread on brackets if you're interested: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=249073 __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

08-07-2008, 04:07 PM	#16
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? So far, so good. It road tested ok, I'm keeping my eye on clearances for the brake line, hoping to not pinch or rupture one. The suspension feels 10 times better just for the fact that nothing hits when going over bumps now. Still have confidence to take the corners a bit faster, too! The only thing hitting is the parking brake cable on the exhaust, but I plan on fixing that when I do the exhaust again. Ignore the coat hanger wire for now Attached Images __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It



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08-07-2008, 05:41 PM	#17
gringoloco A guy with a truck Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany, for now Posts: 5,921	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Adding this to the project list... __________________ -Chris Instagram _elgringoloco_ '70 Short-Wide How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10 ‘70 Blazer ConversionHow To: Ruin a Perfectly Good 4wd '72 Highlander How To: Ruin a Perfectly Good K/5 (SOLD) '72 Blazer 2WD How to: Ruin a perfectly good Blazer (SOLD) '05 Yukon Daily Driven (not so stock) Yukon (SOLD) ‘07 Yukon Denali (daily) Members met list: SCOTI, darkhorse970, 67cheby, 67cheby'sGirl, klmore, porterbuilt, n2billet, Fastrucken, classicchev, Col Clank, GSFMECH, HuggerCST, Spray-Bomb, BACKYARD88, 5150, fine69, fatbass, smbrouss70, 65StreetCruiser, GAc10boy

08-08-2008, 05:04 AM	#19
LUV2XCLR8 The LuvShack Garage Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maple Grove, TN (West Side) Posts: 30,468	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? Good to know Frizzle, so I assume w/ springs it's a non issue, as you said. __________________ Owner/Op: "TN Classic Transport Carriers" The Toy: "Square Vette" 72 Hybrid Blazer Toy Barn: "LuvShack" 40 x 60 x 20 Shop Tow Piggy:"Maddy" 88 Silverado 3500 Hauler: "Feathers" 14 Aluma 8218T

08-11-2008, 09:03 AM	#21
Frizzle Fry Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hillsboro Oregon Posts: 6,449	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I'd say it limited it to about 7-8" travel at which points the end-link mounts are being stressed pretty hard. You can set it where you want it, so full dump won't be an issue.

08-19-2008, 10:43 AM	#22
69_hafton Sleep-Deprived Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 445	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? TTT - This setup is working really good with ECE 4/6 drop, and looks factory except for the aluminum spacers. I don't know why Addco or Hellwig couldn't modify the bends a little and make a swaybar set like this (hint, hint). Just thought I'd post the numbers for the sway bar end links for anyone that finds this later and decides they want to do this, cause I'll forget for sure by the time I'm asked - Energy Suspension 9-8121G 4 1/2 inch end links (or 9-8121R if you want red bushings) I bought 1.25 x 2 x 3 1/4 aluminum spacers from an online company - one of the ads that came up when I googled "aluminum flat bar". They didn't have 1 1/8" stock like the guy that did the first conversion. Anyway, hope this helps someone. __________________ 1971 K/10 Long Fleetside 350/350 - 6" Lift 1969 C/10 SWB 292 - Sold It

08-25-2008, 03:26 PM	#23
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: 4/6 Drop w/ Camaro rear sway with C-Notch? I bought a rear sway bar for the 71. I got it at Hawks thrid gen camaro parts here in town. $75.00 for all of it bar, u-bolts and the mounting clips. Got to clean it up and then install it. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

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