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Jim_PA · 08-28-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHogg69

Tremec TKO all the way - 3.27 1st gear, .68 OD 5th, shifts like butter, and tough as nails! with that 400hp and a set of 3.73's, you'll never stop smiling!

Yep, all I need is $2000.00 and I'm going to get one

BossHogg69 · 08-28-2009, 04:48 PM

Oh don't be mistaken, I had to gather my pennies for a WHILE to get one!

**special-K** · 08-29-2009, 06:11 AM

I figure the car 4spds are every bit as strong as a 3spd and the gearing is better for a truck.That said,I never thought of a 3spd as being much of a truck transmission.

austinstocker · 08-29-2009, 02:20 PM

If you are putting any good power to a car style 4 speed in your truck, stick with the muncie. I had a saginaw 4 spd in my 67 with a small block, worked awesome... put a big block in the truck and we'll just say the bottom 1/3 of the transmission ended up on the street pretty quickly. Muncie works great in exchange.

**special-K** · 08-30-2009, 06:38 AM

Me got M22.

orange prostreet69 · 08-31-2009, 09:39 PM

For you muncie experts. I got a M-22 for my 69 c10. What do I need to do with my clutch fork and linkages? Do I leave them stock or do I need to switch to a car set up? What did you guys use? This is really holding me up. Thanks guys!

Jim_PA · 08-31-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by orange prostreet69

For you muncie experts. I got a M-22 for my 69 c10. What do I need to do with my clutch fork and linkages? Do I leave them stock or do I need to switch to a car set up? What did you guys use? This is really holding me up. Thanks guys!

I used the stock linkage and clutch fork. I got a clutch and TO bearing from a 78 trans am. I believe I got a 10.5" clutch.

long69 · 08-31-2009, 09:46 PM

me no expert but you don't need to do anything about clutch forks or linkage. only make sure the disk matches the input shaft of the transmission. that and maybe the yoke.

prostreetC-10 · 08-31-2009, 11:31 PM

I am also a part of the M-22 club. I went from a 250 to a BBC and had to do a little fab work to get the angles the way I wanted them. I had to relocated the bell crank just a little farther down the frame rail. Just recently upgraded to a 12" Centerforce DF clutch and that thing rocks!!! Best clutch I have used yet. If you have an 11" flywheel, the 12" dual friction clutch will work with all stock hardware.

BossHogg69 · 08-31-2009, 11:53 PM

Ditto on the 12" Centerforce DF clutch! It's a beast

I'm using one in my TKO.

I don't have a Muncie trans, but I did use a '621' magnesium bellhousing from a Muncie 4spd for my TKO.

**special-K** · 09-01-2009, 08:26 AM

I bought a Centerforce Dual Friction one time...and haven`t bought anything else since.I got a new stock replacement clutch with my transmission.I`ll use that to get`er goin`.In better times I`d set that stock clutch aside and have a Centerorce in there,for sure.

smoked68 · 09-01-2009, 09:27 AM

I have an M-21, bolted right up with no issues. I got the Hurst Comp + shifter and used the alum camaro belhousing just to save the weight. Used the truck fork and release bearing (which was the same as the truck, bearing that is). All hooked up just fine. Good luck

TwoFiftyShifter · 09-01-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc

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I had one in my first '67 stepper but I used the stock column shifter and used a choke cable under the dash for reverse...

LockDoc

Are you kidding me? With a muncie 4-speed? WHY???? That's cool as hell though.

Jim_PA · 09-01-2009, 11:53 AM

If you plan on running slicks at the track, don't use a dual friction.

Charles Hettich · 01-05-2012, 12:17 AM

did any of you guys have to shorted your driveshaft when you switched from a 3 speed to a super t10?

**LockDoc** · 01-05-2012, 12:36 AM

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Been too many years ago for me. I don't remember for sure but I don't think so...

LockDoc

OrangeCrush1970 · 01-13-2012, 04:46 PM

Well Im part of the way there...threw a nice donor 12bolt with 3.73's under the truck a month or two ago. It's fun but it's a 45 mph truck now! I still have my th350 w/ shift kit...smokes first, BARKS second and then there's third pulling around 2700 at 45mph. Yikes! I cannot afford a M22 so I will go the 700r route. Rebuild a used 700r, New yoke, shorten the driveshaft and done. Does anyone know what year 700r I need to look for (non-electrical). Pre 87??
Thanks

crazy longhorn · 01-13-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_PA

If you plan on running slicks at the track, don't use a dual friction.

Expand on that? crazyL

**71swb4x4** · 01-13-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy longhorn

Expand on that? crazyL

I don't think Jim has been on the board since July. The post you quoted is from 2009.

crazy longhorn · 01-13-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Hettich

did any of you guys have to shorted your driveshaft when you switched from a 3 speed to a super t10?

The super T-10 is a tad longer, than a Muncie (M20/21/22), or the orig 3spd. Its about 3/4 " IIRC, but you can check the Richmond site to verify this. Best of fun,crazyL

Charles Hettich · 01-17-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeCrush1970

Well Im part of the way there...threw a nice donor 12bolt with 3.73's under the truck a month or two ago. It's fun but it's a 45 mph truck now! I still have my th350 w/ shift kit...smokes first, BARKS second and then there's third pulling around 2700 at 45mph. Yikes! I cannot afford a M22 so I will go the 700r route. Rebuild a used 700r, New yoke, shorten the driveshaft and done. Does anyone know what year 700r I need to look for (non-electrical). Pre 87??
Thanks

wow i love the wheels

OrangeCrush1970 · 01-18-2012, 11:34 AM

Thanks Charles, they are 15x10 western wheel turbines that I painted to look like the 70's vette wheels. they were on this truck when I bought it 5 yrs ago...one of my favorite things!

Charles Hettich · 01-18-2012, 12:36 PM

yeah i searched for a long time and found a set of 15x10 vectors that fit on my 78 f150. i love the old turbine style wheels

08-28-2009, 04:48 PM	#27
BossHogg69 motor exploder Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,346	Re: Muncie 4-speed Oh don't be mistaken, I had to gather my pennies for a WHILE to get one! __________________ Adam 1969 Chevy CST/10 stepside, DART Big M/TREMEC Magnum Extreme/3.73's w/Detroit Truetrac 1965 Chevy Bel Air Wagon (daily driver), 327/TH350,10 bolt w/3.08's 1961 Chevy Bel Air Sport Coupe, ZZ454/M21/9" rear w/3.50's & Detroit Truetrac 2005 GMC 1500 ccsb 2wd, 6.0L/4L65e/3.73 G80 2006 GMC 2500HD ccsb 4x4, DMax LBZ/Allison 6spd/4.56's w/Detroit TrueTrac Use the SEARCH function on this forum - it is your friend!!

08-29-2009, 06:11 AM	#28
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Muncie 4-speed I figure the car 4spds are every bit as strong as a 3spd and the gearing is better for a truck.That said,I never thought of a 3spd as being much of a truck transmission. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

08-29-2009, 02:20 PM	#29
austinstocker Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 49	Re: Muncie 4-speed If you are putting any good power to a car style 4 speed in your truck, stick with the muncie. I had a saginaw 4 spd in my 67 with a small block, worked awesome... put a big block in the truck and we'll just say the bottom 1/3 of the transmission ended up on the street pretty quickly. Muncie works great in exchange. __________________ ____________________________ 1967 C10 SWB Big Block 4 Speed

08-30-2009, 06:38 AM	#30
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Muncie 4-speed Me got M22. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

08-31-2009, 09:39 PM	#31
orange prostreet69 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Manassas, Va Posts: 60	Re: Muncie 4-speed For you muncie experts. I got a M-22 for my 69 c10. What do I need to do with my clutch fork and linkages? Do I leave them stock or do I need to switch to a car set up? What did you guys use? This is really holding me up. Thanks guys!

08-31-2009, 09:46 PM	#33
long69 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: lost angeles Posts: 159	Re: Muncie 4-speed me no expert but you don't need to do anything about clutch forks or linkage. only make sure the disk matches the input shaft of the transmission. that and maybe the yoke.

08-31-2009, 11:31 PM	#34
prostreetC-10 My Carbon Footprint Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,527	Re: Muncie 4-speed I am also a part of the M-22 club. I went from a 250 to a BBC and had to do a little fab work to get the angles the way I wanted them. I had to relocated the bell crank just a little farther down the frame rail. Just recently upgraded to a 12" Centerforce DF clutch and that thing rocks!!! Best clutch I have used yet. If you have an 11" flywheel, the 12" dual friction clutch will work with all stock hardware. __________________ A quick "pedalfest" *Still getting loose (carb test)* 496 Initial fire up video! Last edited by prostreetC-10; 08-31-2009 at 11:33 PM.

08-31-2009, 11:53 PM	#35
BossHogg69 motor exploder Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,346	Re: Muncie 4-speed Ditto on the 12" Centerforce DF clutch! It's a beast I'm using one in my TKO. I don't have a Muncie trans, but I did use a '621' magnesium bellhousing from a Muncie 4spd for my TKO. __________________ Adam 1969 Chevy CST/10 stepside, DART Big M/TREMEC Magnum Extreme/3.73's w/Detroit Truetrac 1965 Chevy Bel Air Wagon (daily driver), 327/TH350,10 bolt w/3.08's 1961 Chevy Bel Air Sport Coupe, ZZ454/M21/9" rear w/3.50's & Detroit Truetrac 2005 GMC 1500 ccsb 2wd, 6.0L/4L65e/3.73 G80 2006 GMC 2500HD ccsb 4x4, DMax LBZ/Allison 6spd/4.56's w/Detroit TrueTrac Use the SEARCH function on this forum - it is your friend!!

09-01-2009, 08:26 AM	#36
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Muncie 4-speed I bought a Centerforce Dual Friction one time...and haven`t bought anything else since.I got a new stock replacement clutch with my transmission.I`ll use that to get`er goin`.In better times I`d set that stock clutch aside and have a Centerorce in there,for sure. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-01-2009, 09:27 AM	#37
smoked68 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 421	Re: Muncie 4-speed I have an M-21, bolted right up with no issues. I got the Hurst Comp + shifter and used the alum camaro belhousing just to save the weight. Used the truck fork and release bearing (which was the same as the truck, bearing that is). All hooked up just fine. Good luck __________________ 1968 chevy shortbed, Dark Shadow Gray 4 bolt 383 Stroker,Weiand Super Charger, disc brakes, 9 inch, 391 gear, 20" Eagle wheels, muncie 4 speed/ Hurst shifter, 4/7 drop, Hedman midlengths, 3 inch exhaust w/ 2 chamber flows. 1966 Mustang with 306 roller, c-4, 9 inch Detroit locker rear. 1965 Fastback Mustang w/347 stroker, top loader 4spd, 9 inch detroit locker. 1966 Mustang coup, 306 roller, c4, 9 inch. 65 Cobra, 427, T6oo, 9inch, of course. First gen Hayabusa, airbox mod and running 2 exhaust cams.. Zoom Zoom Zoom

09-01-2009, 11:53 AM	#39
Jim_PA Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: PA Posts: 2,696	Re: Muncie 4-speed If you plan on running slicks at the track, don't use a dual friction.

01-05-2012, 12:17 AM	#40
Charles Hettich Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Roscoe, SD Posts: 208	Re: Muncie 4-speed did any of you guys have to shorted your driveshaft when you switched from a 3 speed to a super t10?

01-05-2012, 12:36 AM	#41
LockDoc The Older Generation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Posts: 25,895	Re: Muncie 4-speed - Been too many years ago for me. I don't remember for sure but I don't think so... LockDoc __________________ Leon Locksmith, Specializing In Antique Trucks, Automobiles, & Motorcycles (My Dually Pickup Project Thread) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=829820 -

01-13-2012, 04:46 PM	#42
OrangeCrush1970 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Smyrna, GA Posts: 709	Re: Muncie 4-speed Well Im part of the way there...threw a nice donor 12bolt with 3.73's under the truck a month or two ago. It's fun but it's a 45 mph truck now! I still have my th350 w/ shift kit...smokes first, BARKS second and then there's third pulling around 2700 at 45mph. Yikes! I cannot afford a M22 so I will go the 700r route. Rebuild a used 700r, New yoke, shorten the driveshaft and done. Does anyone know what year 700r I need to look for (non-electrical). Pre 87?? Thanks Attached Images __________________ *Rottenwood Garage* 1970...71...72 C1500 aka Orange aka Sideshow Bob 540 BB Straub Roller Cam, AFR Magnums, XP 950, TKO 600 2 Tons of Fun

01-18-2012, 11:34 AM	#47
OrangeCrush1970 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Smyrna, GA Posts: 709	Re: Muncie 4-speed Thanks Charles, they are 15x10 western wheel turbines that I painted to look like the 70's vette wheels. they were on this truck when I bought it 5 yrs ago...one of my favorite things! __________________ *Rottenwood Garage* 1970...71...72 C1500 aka Orange aka Sideshow Bob 540 BB Straub Roller Cam, AFR Magnums, XP 950, TKO 600 2 Tons of Fun



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01-18-2012, 12:36 PM	#48
Charles Hettich Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Roscoe, SD Posts: 208	Re: Muncie 4-speed yeah i searched for a long time and found a set of 15x10 vectors that fit on my 78 f150. i love the old turbine style wheels

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