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2772 · 09-21-2012, 08:46 PM

Hey folks, got 72c10 daily driver. Now I like my truck but don't like everything about it. Example, its a 72 but from what I've been told it has a 78 or 9 305 motor in it.Bone Stock. Yeah you guessed it, it sucks. Its so bad a minivan is a legit challenge at the light. SMH. But I digress, you can guess I've been looking at motors and some say "turn key" others just say "complete". Now being that I already have a daily, which one would best suit me and what's the difference between the two? THANK YOU. Posted via Mobile Device
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LMREESE · 09-21-2012, 09:36 PM

Assuming we are talking used motors turn key should mean running and needs nothing. Complete means basket case we dug out of the barn and were lucky enough to find all the parts.
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*Southern Shaker* · 09-21-2012, 09:36 PM

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Its so bad a minivan is a legit challenge at the light.
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hahaha man thats funny bro i gotta tell ya im not sure i can help ya as im just "The Teen" there for im supposed to know Nothin haha good luck though hope ya find your answer

**71swb4x4** · 09-21-2012, 09:48 PM

What are you trying to end up with? A good reliable cruiser? A "fast" truck? Pulling the boat to the lake? Drag strip?
What are the other specifics of the truck? Rear end gears? Trans?

2772 · 09-21-2012, 09:49 PM

Guess I'm going turn key then
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lowrollin70gmc · 09-21-2012, 10:47 PM

If you're looking at crate motors, complete is just about the same as turn key. I've had good luck putting blueprint crate 383s in vehicles. For a decent price you get an intake, carb, distributor, and water pump. Just add headers, existing flexplate, tranny, and front accessories to enjoy.

brad_man_72 · 09-22-2012, 10:01 AM

Gotta watch out for those minivans......

Turbo Dodge caravan @35psi burnout - jet like...

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midniteblues · 09-22-2012, 10:42 AM

ahh ha ha ha! that smokin minni van is sick.
my girls granpa has a dodge caravan town&country with a factory turbo sittin in the garage it looks as if it just came of the show room floor it has 16k mi. on it. he has owned it since 88 and only put 1200 mi. on it since.
its his baby

kinda embarresd but happy too say one day it will be part of my fleet

**WIDESIDE72** · 09-22-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lowrollin70gmc

If you're looking at crate motors, complete is just about the same as turn key. I've had good luck putting blueprint crate 383s in vehicles. For a decent price you get an intake, carb, distributor, and water pump. Just add headers, existing flexplate, tranny, and front accessories to enjoy.

Most gen 1 383's are externally balanced, unless you go out of your way and pay extra, as opposed to most other SBC except 400 so be careful on flexplate/ flywheel and balancer selection. Also, almost every stock flywheel I have pulled has cracks between the mounting holes, even the weak 267 I pulled out of my 79 Malibu! I recommend replacing any with an SFI plate and Balancer
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PanelDeland · 09-22-2012, 11:00 PM

Look on GM performance,Scoggin-Dickey and Jegs,PAW for choices,if you want crate.GM does a nice 383 now.

**special-K** · 09-23-2012, 09:57 AM

Turn key and complete is the same thing with a different description,that's all. I have a complete engine and it's all in one pace,assembled,and never taken apart. Turn key is the same thing with a used car salesman slant to it.

jablack · 09-23-2012, 12:45 PM

I helped out a friend once with his 305 trouble. He had a limited budget and wanted more power. So i put in a cam and roller rockers and topped it off with an aluminum intake and edelbrock carb. It woke that 305 up nice. Still wasn't a 350 but I was shocked at the power it made. He is still running that 305 today. Cam and roller rockers off ebay and bought the intake and carb off craigslist. Only had about $450 in the parts if I remember correctly.

2772 · 09-30-2012, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jablack

I helped out a friend once with his 305 trouble. He had a limited budget and wanted more power. So i put in a cam and roller rockers and topped it off with an aluminum intake and edelbrock carb. It woke that 305 up nice. Still wasn't a 350 but I was shocked at the power it made. He is still running that 305 today. Cam and roller rockers off ebay and bought the intake and carb off craigslist. Only had about $450 in the parts if I remember correctly.

How much did it cost you in labor?
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2772 · 09-30-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by special-K

Turn key and complete is the same thing with a different description,that's all. I have a complete engine and it's all in one pace,assembled,and never taken apart. Turn key is the same thing with a used car salesman slant to it.

Thanks K
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2772 · 09-30-2012, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jablack

I helped out a friend once with his 305 trouble. He had a limited budget and wanted more power. So i put in a cam and roller rockers and topped it off with an aluminum intake and edelbrock carb. It woke that 305 up nice. Still wasn't a 350 but I was shocked at the power it made. He is still running that 305 today. Cam and roller rockers off ebay and bought the intake and carb off craigslist. Only had about $450 in the parts if I remember correctly.

And how much power were you getting?
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cdowns · 09-30-2012, 06:42 AM

it has been a few years since i purchased an engine but a complete engine was a crate with carb(you install and tune) distributor(you install and time) crate engine you run in for the breakin

a turnkey engine carb was installed tuned and jetted engine broken in with oil everthing was installked except external accessories such as alt/Ac and starter a basic hookup the wires and driveaway

got my turnkey at www.enginefactory.com

**special-K** · 09-30-2012, 07:27 AM

There's only one kind of turn key engine. That's the one that's installed in your truck,everything hooked up,you get in,and turn the key to start it!

There's really no such thing as an uninstalled "turn key" engine.That's just sales pitch tall talk. Any engine uninstalled is complete at best. Most use the term "from carb to oil pan". It means everything is there as it came from the vehicle it was in and is ready to drop right back down in yours...if it's the same application.

cdowns · 09-30-2012, 07:47 AM

i droped my motor in hooked up gas and electric and external accessories plus exhaust and the "shakedown" run was a well over a thousand miles towin a heavily loaded trailer

i'd call that pretty much turnkey/// was not a sales pitch but an expensive option i paid for because i did not have the time to do those basic things myself due to a strict deadline

**special-K** · 09-30-2012, 08:52 AM

I wasn't replying to your post. Didn't even read it. I just saw this thread up again and it hit me this time around,turn key means turn key. That's all there is to it. Turn key means you have to do nothing,it's all been done,you just "turn...the...key". Any motor not installed with everything hooked up can be "complete" at best. Just a fact,nothing more to it.

09-21-2012, 08:46 PM	#1
2772 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Baltimore,MD Posts: 119	And the difference is......... Hey folks, got 72c10 daily driver. Now I like my truck but don't like everything about it. Example, its a 72 but from what I've been told it has a 78 or 9 305 motor in it.Bone Stock. Yeah you guessed it, it sucks. Its so bad a minivan is a legit challenge at the light. SMH. But I digress, you can guess I've been looking at motors and some say "turn key" others just say "complete". Now being that I already have a daily, which one would best suit me and what's the difference between the two? THANK YOU. Posted via Mobile Device Posted via Mobile Device __________________ FEEL, FEEL, FEEL , FEEL MY HEAT!

09-21-2012, 09:36 PM	#2
LMREESE Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ringgold GA Posts: 149	Re: And the difference is......... Assuming we are talking used motors turn key should mean running and needs nothing. Complete means basket case we dug out of the barn and were lucky enough to find all the parts. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ 67 C10 swb bored out 350 granny 4 speed I come from a long line of moonshiners

09-21-2012, 09:48 PM	#4
71swb4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 10,499	Re: And the difference is......... What are you trying to end up with? A good reliable cruiser? A "fast" truck? Pulling the boat to the lake? Drag strip? What are the other specifics of the truck? Rear end gears? Trans? __________________ Some people are like slinkies, they aren't good for anything, but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

09-21-2012, 09:49 PM	#5
2772 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Baltimore,MD Posts: 119	Re: And the difference is......... Guess I'm going turn key then Posted via Mobile Device __________________ FEEL, FEEL, FEEL , FEEL MY HEAT!

09-21-2012, 10:47 PM	#6
lowrollin70gmc Too many projects Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fargo, ND land of the flat hills Posts: 1,147	Re: And the difference is......... If you're looking at crate motors, complete is just about the same as turn key. I've had good luck putting blueprint crate 383s in vehicles. For a decent price you get an intake, carb, distributor, and water pump. Just add headers, existing flexplate, tranny, and front accessories to enjoy. __________________ Andrew 84 GMC C1500 SWB 6.2 Diesel/700R4/3.42 "Grandpa's odd duck" 70 GMC C1500 LWB My first truck: shaved, bagged, and more: the lowrollin70gmc 68 K20 Suburban 12V Cummins/NV5600/NP205/D60/11.5AAM 3.73s "Dakota Cadillac" 63 Chevy II Nova Coupe 250 I6/T56/4.56s "Economy car" 53 Willys Wagon 350/NV4500/BW4401/HP D44/9inch “Winter Wagon” 30 Model A 16 Focus ST

09-22-2012, 10:42 AM	#8
midniteblues Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: strausstown pa Posts: 3,394	Re: And the difference is......... ahh ha ha ha! that smokin minni van is sick. my girls granpa has a dodge caravan town&country with a factory turbo sittin in the garage it looks as if it just came of the show room floor it has 16k mi. on it. he has owned it since 88 and only put 1200 mi. on it since. its his baby kinda embarresd but happy too say one day it will be part of my fleet __________________ 81 camaro 355 4/spd 342 posi my first love. 67 swb step 454/4spd ott 373 posi 4/7 drop. 2000 s10 zr2 little blue truck that never gets stuck. '74 heald super bronc vt8. tecumseh powered moon rover.

09-22-2012, 11:00 PM	#10
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Re: And the difference is......... Look on GM performance,Scoggin-Dickey and Jegs,PAW for choices,if you want crate.GM does a nice 383 now. __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

09-23-2012, 09:57 AM	#11
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: And the difference is......... Turn key and complete is the same thing with a different description,that's all. I have a complete engine and it's all in one pace,assembled,and never taken apart. Turn key is the same thing with a used car salesman slant to it. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-23-2012, 12:45 PM	#12
jablack Classic Chevy Recycler Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 422	Re: And the difference is......... I helped out a friend once with his 305 trouble. He had a limited budget and wanted more power. So i put in a cam and roller rockers and topped it off with an aluminum intake and edelbrock carb. It woke that 305 up nice. Still wasn't a 350 but I was shocked at the power it made. He is still running that 305 today. Cam and roller rockers off ebay and bought the intake and carb off craigslist. Only had about $450 in the parts if I remember correctly. __________________ 2004 Chevrolet Trailblazer EXT 1970 Chevrolet C50 1979 Chevrolet C30 Need another 67 or 68 soon...

09-30-2012, 06:42 AM	#16
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: And the difference is......... it has been a few years since i purchased an engine but a complete engine was a crate with carb(you install and tune) distributor(you install and time) crate engine you run in for the breakin a turnkey engine carb was installed tuned and jetted engine broken in with oil everthing was installked except external accessories such as alt/Ac and starter a basic hookup the wires and driveaway got my turnkey at www.enginefactory.com __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

09-30-2012, 07:27 AM	#17
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: And the difference is......... There's only one kind of turn key engine. That's the one that's installed in your truck,everything hooked up,you get in,and turn the key to start it! There's really no such thing as an uninstalled "turn key" engine.That's just sales pitch tall talk. Any engine uninstalled is complete at best. Most use the term "from carb to oil pan". It means everything is there as it came from the vehicle it was in and is ready to drop right back down in yours...if it's the same application. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-30-2012, 07:47 AM	#18
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: And the difference is......... i droped my motor in hooked up gas and electric and external accessories plus exhaust and the "shakedown" run was a well over a thousand miles towin a heavily loaded trailer i'd call that pretty much turnkey/// was not a sales pitch but an expensive option i paid for because i did not have the time to do those basic things myself due to a strict deadline __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

09-30-2012, 08:52 AM	#19
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: And the difference is......... I wasn't replying to your post. Didn't even read it. I just saw this thread up again and it hit me this time around,turn key means turn key. That's all there is to it. Turn key means you have to do nothing,it's all been done,you just "turn...the...key". Any motor not installed with everything hooked up can be "complete" at best. Just a fact,nothing more to it. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~



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