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70GMCer · 05-03-2005, 06:39 PM

Has anyone ever used "Eastwood's" Rust Encapsulator before? I'm wanting to do the top side of my bed with some type of rust preventor. From what I have read about this stuff, it's supposed to stop any rust and primes the metal in one step.

Steve

LUV2XCLR8 · 05-03-2005, 06:47 PM

NOPE, BUT I AM GOING TO, I HERE IT'S THE BOMB

**Palf70Step** · 05-03-2005, 07:58 PM

I'm using it right now on my bed and some other areas of the truck.. I have not tried painting over it yet, nor can I say anthing about its long term effect. I can say it is a heck of a lot easier than POR to put on. Time will tell on the rest.

cdyblu · 05-03-2005, 08:16 PM

I've used it to do the entire frame on my truck after sandblasting. it has worked great. The frame sat outside in the snow all winter and it still looks great. Highly recommend

70GMCer · 05-03-2005, 08:16 PM

Would 1 qt. do the top side of a fleetside lwb bed?

shadow20 · 05-03-2005, 08:17 PM

Yes, It works great. I painted over mine with chassis black. The only problem I had was in one area the black paint peeled off. My fault though, I used the wrong paint.

Eric

68c10owner · 05-03-2005, 09:07 PM

can you seal it with a primer sealer and use regular paint over it? i need to hit the corners near the kick panels in my cab.

71-longbed · 05-04-2005, 12:59 AM

i've never used it ..heard great things ... kinda leary painting over rust and hoping the product does what it advertises.... but i ordered a quart about a week ago .... eastwood says that no topcoat is nessasary .... if i do decide to .. what primer would be best ???

4x4Poet · 05-04-2005, 05:24 AM

I'm pretty sure that one can primer-seal Rust Encapsulator since one can paint over it. Must b a common question, so the answer is no doubt on Eastwood's site somewhere. I used an aerosol can, so I can't speak to a QT's coverage.

I used Eastwood's old Corroles before and was satisfied but not impressed with its lack of UV protection and red color. I just used EW's newer Rust Encapsulator today in my K10's taillight pockets, lower rear quarters, and D-pillars (barn doors). I'm impressed with its coverage over both rust and metal. I have no idea how well it will stick. As an aside, I used silver Rust Encap. in the taillight pockets and D-pillars because the silver will reflect light better than black should, for instance, I need to work on the wiring harness.

I think POR15 requires more prep but has greater film strength and would likely be superior in any location that sees standing, or long-drying, water since it is moisture curing and won't let water harm it, assuming nothing gets past it thru, say, a crack, scratch, or missed spot.

I think the Rust encapsulator is easier to use and seems to seal rust well but with a lower film strength compared to POR15. The Rust Encapsulator has had many good reports on this board in the last month or so. I can only vouch for its ease of use and coverage.

For the top of a pickup bed, I'd expect Rust Encapsulator would be similar in strength to enamel paint. I wonder if it would make a good rust sealer under a brush on or spray in bed liner?

70GMCer · 05-04-2005, 06:25 AM

What I'm after is to spray a bed liner in after sealing the light surface rust on it. That's why I am asking about this stuff. I'm not building a show truck, just a streeter......

shifty · 05-04-2005, 11:46 AM

It rocks socks. No prep like you need with POR, it's more resiliant to everything, you can paint over it like a primer and it lays down flat with minimal work. POR-15 is a pain in the ass.

*wolfthing2000* · 05-04-2005, 12:08 PM

I am familiar with the cleaning and etching processes for POR15. What prep is required/reccomended for Eastwoods????

96blazr · 05-04-2005, 12:27 PM

Forget POR-15, Forget Eastwood.

www.rust-bullet.com

It's better than all the other stuff COMBINED!!

shifty · 05-04-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfthing2000

I am familiar with the cleaning and etching processes for POR15. What prep is required/reccomended for Eastwoods????

It's not necessary for Eastwood products.

Read this:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...88&iSubCat=852

The first page lists instructions on how to use POR-15 and Eastwood Rust Encapsulator. They recommend knocking free any loose rust and use laquer thinner or another product to clean the area to be painted.

you can spray it on with paint gun, use a rattle can or brush it on.

POR-15 has a few extra steps that are critical to the outcome. Eastwood RE doesn't require it.

70 shorty · 05-04-2005, 04:00 PM

I've seen a post on a Camaro forum POR15vs Rust Encapsulator and the Rust Encapsulator was the overwhelming choice. I'm going to use it on the posi rear I've got for my Z28.

4x4Poet · 05-05-2005, 04:41 AM

OK, today the Rust Encapsulator I applied has dried (Doh!) and I had to wire wheel off a strip around a piece of flat metal I'm going to weld to the rear lower quarter's backing plate. I don't want the stuff to contaminate my welds.

Well, when I attacked the Rust Encapsulator with the 4" electric angle grinder (Makita) equipped with a carbon steel, knotted wire wheel (made in USA, BTW

), the Rust Encapsulator wouldn't come all the way off. It stuck in every little pit in that rusted metal and would not let the metal come out shiny!

I forgot to say in my post above that I used black Rust Encapsulator on the rear lower quarter's backing plate. Because of the black color, I had to shine a light on the coated metal just to verify that I was making progress. After seeing little come off, I put some muscle into it. That's when I discovered that I could only take off the Rust Encapsulator from the high spots in the pitted metal. That stuff sticks well, to say the least.

FWIW, I'm impressed. This stuff is way better than Eastwood's old Corroles. I don't think I'll ever use POR15 again unless I need incessant water protection or maybe for the axle housings. I may have to rethink that, as well, as I gain more experience with the Rust Encapsulator.

shifty · 05-05-2005, 12:16 PM

I'm tellin' ya, the stuff KICKS ASS. I laugh when I see people swearing by POR-15. They just don't understand!

Nima · 05-05-2005, 01:25 PM

I used them all over my truck. I painted them with chasis black on my wheel wells about 6-7 months ago. So far so good. I like it when it dries up, to me it looks it reinforces the rested area.

71meangreenc10 · 05-05-2005, 07:25 PM

I have used both and Im not so impressed with eastwood, I have ordered alot of stuff from them in the past and all I can say is its eye candy to me, looks good on the picture but,,,not so good when you get it home, POR has steps but its what type of metal you are applying on ie bare metal or rust. you can put it on both metals but if you want a nice finish they recommend prepping the metal, if you dont care put it on and go. I have done both and its all what you put into it is what the outcome will be, take the time prep the metal and its a nice finish, even pretty good for a brush, dont prep put it on and it was good but had a few fisheyed spots. Just make sure your wearing gloves cause just like the can says "if you let it dry on your skin the only remover is time"........

71-longbed · 05-06-2005, 11:05 PM

just got my qt today .... can it be applied over old paint ...or will it peel ??? ...

4x4Poet · 05-07-2005, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71-longbed

just got my qt today .... can it be applied over old paint ...or will it peel ??? ...

Yes, so long as the old paint still adheres well, is squeaky clean, and maybe scuffed up. I would expect that you only apply it over old paint because the old paint is next to rusted metal or bare metal. I don't think I'd use it as a primer-sealer, but what do I know about paint chemistry?

71-longbed · 05-14-2005, 01:06 PM

the encapsulator went on great ... this stuff really bonds to both existing paint and rust ... i think i'll paint the fender wells next ...

shifty · 05-14-2005, 02:09 PM

Just make sure you remove any loose rust and paint chips before applying.

05-03-2005, 06:39 PM	#1
70GMCer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Joppa, Maryland Posts: 4,408	Rust Encapsulator ? Has anyone ever used "Eastwood's" Rust Encapsulator before? I'm wanting to do the top side of my bed with some type of rust preventor. From what I have read about this stuff, it's supposed to stop any rust and primes the metal in one step. Steve __________________ 1997 GMC Sierra Ext 1965 Mustang

05-03-2005, 06:47 PM	#2
LUV2XCLR8 The LuvShack Garage Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maple Grove, TN (West Side) Posts: 30,474	NOPE, BUT I AM GOING TO, I HERE IT'S THE BOMB __________________ Owner/Op: "TN Classic Transport Carriers" The Toy: "Square Vette" 72 Hybrid Blazer Toy Barn: "LuvShack" 40 x 60 x 20 Shop Tow Piggy:"Maddy" 88 Silverado 3500 Hauler: "Feathers" 14 Aluma 8218T

05-03-2005, 07:58 PM	#3
Palf70Step State of Confusion! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gulfport, MS USA Posts: 47,471	I'm using it right now on my bed and some other areas of the truck.. I have not tried painting over it yet, nor can I say anthing about its long term effect. I can say it is a heck of a lot easier than POR to put on. Time will tell on the rest. __________________ Bill 1970 Chevy Custom/10 LWB Fleetside 2010 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner SR5 Double Cab - DD Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Bill's Gallery Life isn't tied with a bow, but it's still a gift. Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God!

05-03-2005, 08:16 PM	#5
70GMCer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Joppa, Maryland Posts: 4,408	Would 1 qt. do the top side of a fleetside lwb bed? __________________ 1997 GMC Sierra Ext 1965 Mustang

05-03-2005, 08:17 PM	#6
shadow20 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SC Posts: 14	Eastwood Yes, It works great. I painted over mine with chassis black. The only problem I had was in one area the black paint peeled off. My fault though, I used the wrong paint. Eric __________________ Eric 1966 Chevy C20, Long Bed, Fleetside 1967 Chevy C10, Short Bed, Stepside

05-03-2005, 08:16 PM	#4
cdyblu Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Green Bay, WI Posts: 44	I've used it to do the entire frame on my truck after sandblasting. it has worked great. The frame sat outside in the snow all winter and it still looks great. Highly recommend

05-03-2005, 09:07 PM	#7
68c10owner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Carmichael, California Posts: 3,011	can you seal it with a primer sealer and use regular paint over it? i need to hit the corners near the kick panels in my cab. __________________ Anthony

05-04-2005, 12:59 AM	#8
71-longbed Its Magically Delicious Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 2,398	i've never used it ..heard great things ... kinda leary painting over rust and hoping the product does what it advertises.... but i ordered a quart about a week ago .... eastwood says that no topcoat is nessasary .... if i do decide to .. what primer would be best ??? __________________ 71 C10 LWB 350sbc -TH350 12 bolt 3.42 Posi Of all my favorite things to do, The utmost is to have a brew. My love grows for my foamy friend, with each thirst-quenching elbow bend. Beer so frosty, smooth, and cold it's paradise pure liquid gold. Yes beer means many things to me that's all for now cus I gotta pee.

05-04-2005, 05:24 AM	#9
4x4Poet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: "Under Montana skies." Posts: 1,836	I'm pretty sure that one can primer-seal Rust Encapsulator since one can paint over it. Must b a common question, so the answer is no doubt on Eastwood's site somewhere. I used an aerosol can, so I can't speak to a QT's coverage. I used Eastwood's old Corroles before and was satisfied but not impressed with its lack of UV protection and red color. I just used EW's newer Rust Encapsulator today in my K10's taillight pockets, lower rear quarters, and D-pillars (barn doors). I'm impressed with its coverage over both rust and metal. I have no idea how well it will stick. As an aside, I used silver Rust Encap. in the taillight pockets and D-pillars because the silver will reflect light better than black should, for instance, I need to work on the wiring harness. I think POR15 requires more prep but has greater film strength and would likely be superior in any location that sees standing, or long-drying, water since it is moisture curing and won't let water harm it, assuming nothing gets past it thru, say, a crack, scratch, or missed spot. I think the Rust encapsulator is easier to use and seems to seal rust well but with a lower film strength compared to POR15. The Rust Encapsulator has had many good reports on this board in the last month or so. I can only vouch for its ease of use and coverage. For the top of a pickup bed, I'd expect Rust Encapsulator would be similar in strength to enamel paint. I wonder if it would make a good rust sealer under a brush on or spray in bed liner? __________________ '71 GMC K20 Suburban, '71 GMC K10 Suburban, '72 Chevy C10 CST Suburban, '72 Chevy K20 clunker pickup.

05-04-2005, 06:25 AM	#10
70GMCer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Joppa, Maryland Posts: 4,408	What I'm after is to spray a bed liner in after sealing the light surface rust on it. That's why I am asking about this stuff. I'm not building a show truck, just a streeter...... __________________ 1997 GMC Sierra Ext 1965 Mustang

05-04-2005, 11:46 AM	#11
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	It rocks socks. No prep like you need with POR, it's more resiliant to everything, you can paint over it like a primer and it lays down flat with minimal work. POR-15 is a pain in the ass. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

05-04-2005, 12:08 PM	#12
wolfthing2000 Account Suspended Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,276	I am familiar with the cleaning and etching processes for POR15. What prep is required/reccomended for Eastwoods????

05-04-2005, 12:27 PM	#13
96blazr Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: VA Posts: 740	Forget POR-15, Forget Eastwood. www.rust-bullet.com It's better than all the other stuff COMBINED!! __________________ 1968 SWB. GMPP 350/350 Turbo Trans, Edelbrock Performer & Carb. Hedman Hedders, Hooker Aerochambers Mufflers. Tuff Stuff Alternators. Remember, no matter where you go, There you are. Gary Last edited by 96blazr; 05-04-2005 at 12:37 PM.

05-04-2005, 04:00 PM	#15
70 shorty Where's my beer? Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Glen Allen, VA Posts: 1,772	I've seen a post on a Camaro forum POR15vs Rust Encapsulator and the Rust Encapsulator was the overwhelming choice. I'm going to use it on the posi rear I've got for my Z28. __________________ 70 C10, shortstep, .30 over 250,Hurst shifted 3 spd parts hauler. Holley 390, Clifford Intake, Header, ported cylinder head, unknown bigger cam. 79 Corvette L82, 4 spd, black, red interior, headers, flowmasters, and unkown bigger cam. '03 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.0 4x4 daily driver. 165K miles, and runs great '08 Tahoe LTZ 4x4 155K

05-05-2005, 04:41 AM	#16
4x4Poet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: "Under Montana skies." Posts: 1,836	OK, today the Rust Encapsulator I applied has dried (Doh!) and I had to wire wheel off a strip around a piece of flat metal I'm going to weld to the rear lower quarter's backing plate. I don't want the stuff to contaminate my welds. Well, when I attacked the Rust Encapsulator with the 4" electric angle grinder (Makita) equipped with a carbon steel, knotted wire wheel (made in USA, BTW ), the Rust Encapsulator wouldn't come all the way off. It stuck in every little pit in that rusted metal and would not let the metal come out shiny! I forgot to say in my post above that I used black Rust Encapsulator on the rear lower quarter's backing plate. Because of the black color, I had to shine a light on the coated metal just to verify that I was making progress. After seeing little come off, I put some muscle into it. That's when I discovered that I could only take off the Rust Encapsulator from the high spots in the pitted metal. That stuff sticks well, to say the least. FWIW, I'm impressed. This stuff is way better than Eastwood's old Corroles. I don't think I'll ever use POR15 again unless I need incessant water protection or maybe for the axle housings. I may have to rethink that, as well, as I gain more experience with the Rust Encapsulator. __________________ '71 GMC K20 Suburban, '71 GMC K10 Suburban, '72 Chevy C10 CST Suburban, '72 Chevy K20 clunker pickup. Last edited by 4x4Poet; 05-05-2005 at 04:45 AM.



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05-05-2005, 12:16 PM	#17
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	I'm tellin' ya, the stuff KICKS ASS. I laugh when I see people swearing by POR-15. They just don't understand! __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

05-05-2005, 01:25 PM	#18
Nima Blue 67 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Western WA Posts: 1,179	I used them all over my truck. I painted them with chasis black on my wheel wells about 6-7 months ago. So far so good. I like it when it dries up, to me it looks it reinforces the rested area.

05-05-2005, 07:25 PM	#19
71meangreenc10 Its a Truck Thing...... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Posts: 3,179	I have used both and Im not so impressed with eastwood, I have ordered alot of stuff from them in the past and all I can say is its eye candy to me, looks good on the picture but,,,not so good when you get it home, POR has steps but its what type of metal you are applying on ie bare metal or rust. you can put it on both metals but if you want a nice finish they recommend prepping the metal, if you dont care put it on and go. I have done both and its all what you put into it is what the outcome will be, take the time prep the metal and its a nice finish, even pretty good for a brush, dont prep put it on and it was good but had a few fisheyed spots. Just make sure your wearing gloves cause just like the can says "if you let it dry on your skin the only remover is time"........ __________________ 71 C10 283/3SPD Full Resto 71 GMC 1500 Sierra Grande http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=518599 70 C10 Suburban Former military GSA truck. 72 Chevy Blazer 4X4, Sloppy Jo, Mountain Climber. Wife says no more trucks. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=707378 72 GMC 1 Ton Motor Home, wife said no more trucks until she saw this one. Gen 3 6.0/4L80E 4.10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=761110 68 GMC Suburban was 3/4 ton, now 1/2.Wife shook her head 71 C30 Wrecker 71 C20 Scott-Bilt As weird as it gets..BB Cheyenne AC Truck 68 GMC Long Stepside. They keep following me home 69 C30 Former Motor Home, Flat Bed time 70 G20 Red-E-Kamp Conversion "I'm your Boogy Van"

05-06-2005, 11:05 PM	#20
71-longbed Its Magically Delicious Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 2,398	just got my qt today .... can it be applied over old paint ...or will it peel ??? ... __________________ 71 C10 LWB 350sbc -TH350 12 bolt 3.42 Posi Of all my favorite things to do, The utmost is to have a brew. My love grows for my foamy friend, with each thirst-quenching elbow bend. Beer so frosty, smooth, and cold it's paradise pure liquid gold. Yes beer means many things to me that's all for now cus I gotta pee.

05-14-2005, 01:06 PM	#22
71-longbed Its Magically Delicious Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 2,398	the encapsulator went on great ... this stuff really bonds to both existing paint and rust ... i think i'll paint the fender wells next ... __________________ 71 C10 LWB 350sbc -TH350 12 bolt 3.42 Posi Of all my favorite things to do, The utmost is to have a brew. My love grows for my foamy friend, with each thirst-quenching elbow bend. Beer so frosty, smooth, and cold it's paradise pure liquid gold. Yes beer means many things to me that's all for now cus I gotta pee.

05-14-2005, 02:09 PM	#23
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	Just make sure you remove any loose rust and paint chips before applying. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

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