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07-07-2008, 12:25 PM | #1 |
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narrowing the front track width?
A couple years ago I swapped spindles for new aftermarket drop spindles and converted to front disks on my 68. It seems now that my front track is now wider. I get some rubbing on the outer edge of the tire on my inner fender when going over a dip at speeds. This has stock height springs with only the spindle drop with 275-60-15 tires.
I wanted to swap a-arms but dont think that will help with this problem. Anybody else have this problem or any thoughts? I could change wheels but dont want to... Thanks Dave
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07-07-2008, 12:34 PM | #2 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
happens when you lower your truck with 275/60r15s on the 73-87 i know, so probably for you too. most people had to swap to a 245 up front.
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07-07-2008, 03:56 PM | #3 | |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
It is possible that the spindles themselves have some off-set built into them, which would cause this.
But, I am at least slightly confused by your wording? Quote:
Did something happen here? some other change? How is it that you changed spindles years ago and the problem didn't exist then? The only thing that could have changed on it's own is that the springs could have sagged a bit over time. |
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07-07-2008, 04:07 PM | #4 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
I guess I can clarify a bit. I thought had read on here a while back that some (maybe all) the drop spindles added some width to the front track. I did the conversion from GMC Pauls which uses the McGaphys (sp?) spindles I replaced the front springs with new stock height ones and have put about 12,000 miles on the new setup. Best I can tell nothing has changed over this time.
When I first did the conversion I didnt drive it much before I did all the body work which consisted of new body and radiator support bushings so all these and suspension components should be in good shape and where they should be. My main question is could my spindles have some off set and if so are some made with out this offset? Secondly, can I get new tubular a-arms that can narrow this up slightly? dont know if that cleared up anything or not... Thanks Dave
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07-07-2008, 07:16 PM | #5 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
275 is way too wide for a lowered truck. the other problem if you're runnin aftermarket wheels is the off-set of those wheels may be wrong for a lowered application.
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07-07-2008, 09:56 PM | #6 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
I know mustang 2 setups have the option for a 5/8 narrower track width control arms, not sure about a place like ART or not, it would be something worth checking into though.. but i agree 275 is a lil wide for it to be lowered.
I think thats the size i had on mine when i lowered it and the tires hit everything |
07-08-2008, 12:31 AM | #7 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
Changing from drums to discs widens the track width about 3/8" per side. That's where the 'increased track width' disclaimer comes from.
There's several ways: You could modify the a-arms to bring the lower BJ's in vs. stock. Porterbuilt StreetRods Dropmember narrows the track width & uses a R&P set-up. A 'high profile' board member sectioned his truck crossmember & swapped in a R&P. And the easiest way to remedy the issue . ..... different offset wheels w/optimal sized tires.
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
My track got wider with the McGaugheys kit also. I run 275/60/15 tires on 8" rims with about 3.5"BS and rub only on HARD turns or dips. My new KYB shocks helped alot. My springs were cut to lower it more. I have almost 5" drop with spindels and springs. The answer is to use 7" rims or skinnier tires I think. I'm pretty happy with it for now. Here is a pic with my setup:http://drchop.smugmug.com/gallery/52...09_GSXka-X2-LB
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07-08-2008, 08:35 AM | #10 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
My 71 got wider too when I added dropped spindles. The 71 had factory discs so the extra width was in the spindles themselves. I think most of the spindle kits for 68-72 actually use 73-87 spindles, so that may be the key to the track width issue. These later trucks may have more offset in the spindle than the earlier trucks did.
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07-08-2008, 09:09 AM | #11 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
Thanks guys I didnt really have anything to base the fact I thought the track got wider but this sounds common.
As far as the tire size the 275 seems very common plus mine is only lowered the 2.5 inches so it is not that low...The rubbing is only on the extreme dips and is not bad I just was looking for a change. Your correct Scotti changing the wheels might be my best bet but I want to stick with what I have for now but should start saving my coins for another set. my front has the appearance of being lower than just the 2.5 so I wonder if I got some drop springs also by mistake? Anyway I really like the way it looks and the stance is great for me. I am going to do some more digging and will make a change eventually. I thought I remembered somebody on here talking about spindles that did not widen the track, maybe they will chime in. Thanks Dave
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07-08-2008, 09:13 AM | #12 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
heres a picture...
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07-08-2008, 11:41 AM | #13 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
You don't need to necessarily change wheels.... just the fronts. Maybe you could find 2 more w/more back-spacing? That would tuck them in a little more which would offer more clearance from the fender lip.
Do you know the current BS of the wheels?
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07-08-2008, 11:45 AM | #14 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
I will have to measure the BS to see, they have been on this truck for 15-20 years. They are 6 lug so they may be more difficult to find? They are 8 inches wide and I am sure what every might have been considered "standard" bs if there is such a thing?
Again it is not bad just looking to help some and I thought a suspension mod might work and get me closer...
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07-08-2008, 01:34 PM | #15 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
15-20yrs old? It might be hard to find others . The easiest route then would be slightly shorter tires (255-60/15's).
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07-08-2008, 01:56 PM | #16 |
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Re: narrowing the front track width?
yep one of my first major purchases for my truck when I got it I had them polished up a year or so ago so they now look better than new...
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