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'63GENIII · 02-22-2009, 10:15 PM

So I finally got the Dana 60r / Dana 44f axles installed, checked the gear ratios (counted teeth) and everything installed properly. Here's the problem, when I use the 4wd, it feels as though the front and rear wheels are trying to move at different speeds. In addition, when I try to unlock the hubs, it is as if everything is bound up and not only can I not unlock the hubs, I can't shift the transfer case back into 2wd from 4wd hi. I have the Rockwell T221 divorced 4.10 gears front and rear and was attempting this on snow/slush covered blacktop. I was wondering if the gear sets for the 60 are slightly different from the 44 or if there was any way that the front could be in high range while the rear was in low? Any ideas or insight is welcome. Thanks. Chris

**special-K** · 02-23-2009, 06:39 AM

Binding is common on hard surfaces.Especially when turning the front wheels .It just takes some back and forth/popping trans out of gear action.

BIG HEAD · 02-23-2009, 09:34 AM

on the 44f the gear ratio comes out at 4.09 and rear dana 60 at 4.10. there is nothing wrong with that. It comes from the factory like that. you have some other issue, if you are sure that the gears are the same. maybe more than one problem.

'63GENIII · 02-23-2009, 03:43 PM

Thanks for the reply. I'll keep on hunting around. Either way it is like a tractor in the slippery stuff! Thanks C

powerdriver 1958 · 02-23-2009, 08:19 PM

Lockers in either end??

'63GENIII · 02-26-2009, 06:11 AM

No lockers, but posi/limited slip in ther rear. The rear is from a 73 1 ton Dodge van and the front is 72 3/4 ton Chevy. Maybe the tires are just a little grabby?

local13hutch · 02-26-2009, 06:47 AM

You havent said if you managed to shift back into 2x4 or if you could unlock the hubs. I had the same problem with my kids k/5 the other day and he was also on semi slippery roads and I couldnt shift it or spin the hubs so I pulled the truck onto the grass went back and fourth a few times and it shifted fine...We were getting to much traction before.. Just like special-K said...If not BIG HEAD may be on target.....just my two cents.....

'63GENIII · 02-26-2009, 01:13 PM

Yeah it seems to work fine if I rock it and then push the t-case shifter in the CORRECT DIRECTION. I'm such a tard sometimes. Thanks guys! Chris

72chevyk10 · 02-26-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by '63GENIII

Yeah it seems to work fine if I rock it and then push the t-case shifter in the CORRECT DIRECTION. I'm such a tard sometimes. Thanks guys! Chris

thats somthing i would do!!!

02-22-2009, 10:15 PM	#1
'63GENIII Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Carlos, Ca. Posts: 3,048	Four wheel drive binding up? So I finally got the Dana 60r / Dana 44f axles installed, checked the gear ratios (counted teeth) and everything installed properly. Here's the problem, when I use the 4wd, it feels as though the front and rear wheels are trying to move at different speeds. In addition, when I try to unlock the hubs, it is as if everything is bound up and not only can I not unlock the hubs, I can't shift the transfer case back into 2wd from 4wd hi. I have the Rockwell T221 divorced 4.10 gears front and rear and was attempting this on snow/slush covered blacktop. I was wondering if the gear sets for the 60 are slightly different from the 44 or if there was any way that the front could be in high range while the rear was in low? Any ideas or insight is welcome. Thanks. Chris __________________ Chris '63 k15 long step Vortec 7.4 - L29 Blackbear tune, Five 0 Motorsports injectors, Chris Straub Cam, NV4500, divorced 205 52" front and 63" rear spring swap D44 / 14bff - disc axles Milemarker 9K and 10.5K hydraulic winches 63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build L29 - 7.4 Vortec Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&highlight=L29

02-23-2009, 06:39 AM	#2
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02-23-2009, 09:34 AM	#3
BIG HEAD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: lake city florida Posts: 327	Re: Four wheel drive binding up? on the 44f the gear ratio comes out at 4.09 and rear dana 60 at 4.10. there is nothing wrong with that. It comes from the factory like that. you have some other issue, if you are sure that the gears are the same. maybe more than one problem. __________________ MY POND TRUCK BUILD http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=297393

02-23-2009, 03:43 PM	#4
'63GENIII Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Carlos, Ca. Posts: 3,048	Re: Four wheel drive binding up? Thanks for the reply. I'll keep on hunting around. Either way it is like a tractor in the slippery stuff! Thanks C __________________ Chris '63 k15 long step Vortec 7.4 - L29 Blackbear tune, Five 0 Motorsports injectors, Chris Straub Cam, NV4500, divorced 205 52" front and 63" rear spring swap D44 / 14bff - disc axles Milemarker 9K and 10.5K hydraulic winches 63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build L29 - 7.4 Vortec Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&highlight=L29

02-23-2009, 08:19 PM	#5
powerdriver 1958 Kid's Mechanic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City Posts: 8,241	Re: Four wheel drive binding up? Lockers in either end??

02-26-2009, 06:11 AM	#6
'63GENIII Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Carlos, Ca. Posts: 3,048	Re: Four wheel drive binding up? No lockers, but posi/limited slip in ther rear. The rear is from a 73 1 ton Dodge van and the front is 72 3/4 ton Chevy. Maybe the tires are just a little grabby? __________________ Chris '63 k15 long step Vortec 7.4 - L29 Blackbear tune, Five 0 Motorsports injectors, Chris Straub Cam, NV4500, divorced 205 52" front and 63" rear spring swap D44 / 14bff - disc axles Milemarker 9K and 10.5K hydraulic winches 63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build L29 - 7.4 Vortec Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&highlight=L29

02-26-2009, 06:47 AM	#7
local13hutch MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: garden grove, ca Posts: 185	Re: Four wheel drive binding up? You havent said if you managed to shift back into 2x4 or if you could unlock the hubs. I had the same problem with my kids k/5 the other day and he was also on semi slippery roads and I couldnt shift it or spin the hubs so I pulled the truck onto the grass went back and fourth a few times and it shifted fine...We were getting to much traction before.. Just like special-K said...If not BIG HEAD may be on target.....just my two cents..... __________________ 86 sub 4wd, 1 ton, duallie, big block th475 72 c10 short fleet, pro street 72 K/5 blazer,2x4 almost stock 72 3/4 ton sub 4x4 61 morris minor pickup, chevy 4.3 v6 03 escalade, 24" momo's wifes 96 2wd 2door tahoe 67 2wd suburban 72 4wd k5 99 vortec 14bolt/d60 205/th400- 72 4wd crewcab 1 ton sb cummins allison -2012 2ss camaro black hard top- 8 yamaha quads- 05 4wd one ton duramax dually, family limo.

02-26-2009, 01:13 PM	#8
'63GENIII Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Carlos, Ca. Posts: 3,048	Re: Four wheel drive binding up? Yeah it seems to work fine if I rock it and then push the t-case shifter in the CORRECT DIRECTION. I'm such a tard sometimes. Thanks guys! Chris __________________ Chris '63 k15 long step Vortec 7.4 - L29 Blackbear tune, Five 0 Motorsports injectors, Chris Straub Cam, NV4500, divorced 205 52" front and 63" rear spring swap D44 / 14bff - disc axles Milemarker 9K and 10.5K hydraulic winches 63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build L29 - 7.4 Vortec Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&highlight=L29



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