TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

C20-67_N_MO · 10-16-2009, 10:49 PM

Okay how expensive would a well built 700r4 be vs. the old trusty TH350 with a 3000 stall converter?

Seems like the TH 350 would be WAY cheaper to build than the overdrive tranny.

Any thoughts?

I will be using a solid lifter camshaft so yes I need a 3k stall.

And thinking the 700r4 would just cost way too much for my setup.

Am I wrong?

Thanks!

toms84ss · 10-16-2009, 11:16 PM

700R4 would be about twice as much to build. Depending on how much highway driving you might do it could be worth the investment.

C20-67_N_MO · 10-17-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by toms84ss

700R4 would be about twice as much to build. Depending on how much highway driving you might do it could be worth the investment.

Yup.

This will be no trailer queen.

So yeah that is why I am considering the 700r4.

Now I just need to hear from folks that have one that can handle 425-450+ hp at the rear wheels.

toms84ss · 10-17-2009, 11:55 AM

Check out Bow tie Overdrives. They have several 700R4 options to choose from and their TV cable system is pretty cool. I have a level 2 700R4 and have been happy with it. But its behind a ZZ4 small block with only 350HP at the flywheel.

C20-67_N_MO · 10-17-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by toms84ss

Check out Bow tie Overdrives. They have several 700R4 options to choose from and their TV cable system is pretty cool. I have a level 2 700R4 and have been happy with it. But its behind a ZZ4 small block with only 350HP at the flywheel.

I might have to do that.

But for me I would rather have a buddy rebuild one with good quality parts.

Thanks for the reply.

DubDubU · 10-17-2009, 04:04 PM

Check out Transmissions To Go, in Arnold MO. They build alot of stuff for the local racers and rodders. Imho,2nd gear kinda sucks in a 700 r4 cuz 1st is kinda low.

C20-67_N_MO · 10-17-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DubDubU

Check out Transmissions To Go, in Arnold MO. They build alot of stuff for the local racers and rodders. Imho,2nd gear kinda sucks in a 700 r4 cuz 1st is kinda low.

I totally agree with your comment about 1st gear being low.

But I know nothing about 2nd.

Yeah I've had dealing with Transmissions to Go, very good folks there.

Thanks for reminding me!

PhilaTruck · 10-17-2009, 11:16 PM

If you want OD, go 4L80E. Just like the TH350, the 700r4 got better as they engineered out the weaknesses.

Here's one listed in SL craigslist. Don't know if that's your area of MO, but that's the city I think of as the gateway west.

Marv D · 10-18-2009, 12:39 AM

Here ya go
http://www.jakesperformance.com/700-R4_and_4L60E.html

Jake is even a member here. I've got one of his 700r4s in my Camino. Once I got the lockup setup the way I wanted,, simply love it.

phipp13 · 10-18-2009, 02:06 AM

I've read bowtie overdrives is not customer friendly. After they got your $$$$ google them up and look at what customers have said. I'VE GOT A 700R4 FROM PHOENIX PERFORMANCE IN WEATHERFORD TX. ALMOST 2K BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY!! GOOD TO 550 HP AND 500 FTLBTQ. IT'S THE 700R4 SS TRANS

C20-67_N_MO · 10-18-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilaTruck

If you want OD, go 4L80E. Just like the TH350, the 700r4 got better as they engineered out the weaknesses.

But isn't the 4L80E Computer controlled?
And I honestly do not think it will handle the abuse my motor will throw at it!

Here's one listed in SL craigslist. Don't know if that's your area of MO, but that's the city I think of as the gateway west.

WOW!

I appreciate the effort.

Will check it out.

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Originally Posted by Marv D

Here ya go
http://www.jakesperformance.com/700-R4_and_4L60E.html

Jake is even a member here. I've got one of his 700r4s in my Camino. Once I got the lockup setup the way I wanted,, simply love it.

Nice!

I do not mind supporting members here on the board whatsoever!

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Originally Posted by phipp13

I've read bowtie overdrives is not customer friendly. After they got your $$$$ google them up and look at what customers have said. I'VE GOT A 700R4 FROM PHOENIX PERFORMANCE IN WEATHERFORD TX. ALMOST 2K BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY!! GOOD TO 550 HP AND 500 FTLBTQ. IT'S THE 700R4 SS TRANS

Yeah I am still thinking 700r4 is the best route to take.

Thanks everyone for the awesome responses!

-Scott-

PhilaTruck · 10-18-2009, 10:39 AM

Hey Scott, I was wrong. The 80e was based on the th400. It was the 60e that came from the 700r4. Don't forget Marv's lockup recipe. Good stuff.

Thanks for that Jakes link & the lockup info (from previous thread), Marv-

-Todd

C20-67_N_MO · 10-18-2009, 01:36 PM

Todd,

Okay thanks for the info.

Will checkout the site on lockups as well.

have a good one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilaTruck

Hey Scott, I was wrong. The 80e was based on the th400. It was the 60e that came from the 700r4. Don't forget Marv's lockup recipe. Good stuff.

Thanks for that Jakes link & the lockup info (from previous thread), Marv-

-Todd

Wild83C10 · 10-18-2009, 03:20 PM

I had no problems with bow tie overdrive. I had one behind a 420 hp 350. It took a beating and kept on going. I had no problem with their customer service, they helped me setup the TV cable, but that was 10 years ago.

Don't forget about the 200R4, better gear ratios and can handle just as much.

james colbert · 10-18-2009, 05:32 PM

I have a built 700 with a BTE 4000 Nitrous convertor with 456 gears. I lock it up a run 80 all day on the interstate

hotrod 80 · 10-18-2009, 06:52 PM

I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price .

djracer · 10-18-2009, 10:24 PM

If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed.

C20-67_N_MO · 10-19-2009, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hotrod 80

I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price .

Please tell me more!

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Originally Posted by djracer

If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed.

Negative.

I am so poor (at the moment) I can hardly pay attention.

But that sounds like a nice setup.

james colbert · 10-19-2009, 09:38 PM

Well do like my buddy did, buy the manual on whatever tranny you want and then build it yourself. I did my first 700r that way. But I had alot of his tools to use also.

gchemist · 10-20-2009, 12:22 AM

Mine was build by a local builder. ~$2200 in parts. I can beat on it all day. Shifts greats and drives like a beast.

If I bought one off the shelf, I would checkout this place.
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperflist.htm

Mine is between a Leve 3 and 4.

Rodms · 10-20-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by djracer

If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed.

DJ, Kenny at PTC will build whatever you want!Or call BTE and see what they go,Heck they are selling glide with brake;bracket trans for 895.00

hotrod 80 · 10-21-2009, 06:39 AM

Here are a couple of links to stuff he has on Craigslist Dallas .
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423691772.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423693019.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423689659.html

djracer · 10-21-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodms

DJ, Kenny at PTC will build whatever you want!Or call BTE and see what they go,Heck they are selling glide with brake;bracket trans for 895.00

Kenny @ PTC just redid my glide for the extra power and is gonna trade in my convertor for my new needs. Those guys are great but the 6 speed 4l80 is brand new and I don't think anyone but TCI is doing them yet. My buddie is head of the R&D department there.

C20-67_N_MO · 10-25-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild83C10

I had no problems with bow tie overdrive. I had one behind a 420 hp 350. It took a beating and kept on going. I had no problem with their customer service, they helped me setup the TV cable, but that was 10 years ago.

I will be pushing well over 450hp with my setup.

I have a powerglide I could go with but would rather not.

Don't forget about the 200R4, better gear ratios and can handle just as much.

I agree!

But finding a good 3k stall converter for it is gonna be tough.

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Originally Posted by james colbert

I have a built 700 with a BTE 4000 Nitrous convertor with 456 gears. I lock it up a run 80 all day on the interstate

At what RPM range?

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotrod 80

I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price .

Yeah but they still need to rebuilt to handle the hp.

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Originally Posted by djracer

Kenny @ PTC just redid my glide for the extra power and is gonna trade in my convertor for my new needs. Those guys are great but the 6 speed 4l80 is brand new and I don't think anyone but TCI is doing them yet. My buddie is head of the R&D department there.

Then tell him to cut us a deal here on the board!

fiddy9apache · 10-26-2009, 11:04 AM

if you go with a 4l604 or 80e you can use a bauwman controller and make your own shift maps and control line pressure, its a stand alone unit so you can put that trans in anything you want.

10-16-2009, 10:49 PM	#1
C20-67_N_MO Champagne Taste on Beer Budget Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: High Ridge, Missouri Posts: 2,190	TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Okay how expensive would a well built 700r4 be vs. the old trusty TH350 with a 3000 stall converter? Seems like the TH 350 would be WAY cheaper to build than the overdrive tranny. Any thoughts? I will be using a solid lifter camshaft so yes I need a 3k stall. And thinking the 700r4 would just cost way too much for my setup. Am I wrong? Thanks! __________________ Coming Soon: Project 1970 Country Truck

10-16-2009, 11:16 PM	#2
toms84ss Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 121	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 700R4 would be about twice as much to build. Depending on how much highway driving you might do it could be worth the investment.

10-17-2009, 11:55 AM	#4
toms84ss Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 121	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Check out Bow tie Overdrives. They have several 700R4 options to choose from and their TV cable system is pretty cool. I have a level 2 700R4 and have been happy with it. But its behind a ZZ4 small block with only 350HP at the flywheel.

10-17-2009, 04:04 PM	#6
DubDubU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: st louis,mo Posts: 313	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Check out Transmissions To Go, in Arnold MO. They build alot of stuff for the local racers and rodders. Imho,2nd gear kinda sucks in a 700 r4 cuz 1st is kinda low. __________________ '79' shortbed

10-17-2009, 11:16 PM	#8
PhilaTruck Right on the line, baby! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phila, PA 19130 Posts: 1,486	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 If you want OD, go 4L80E. Just like the TH350, the 700r4 got better as they engineered out the weaknesses. Here's one listed in SL craigslist. Don't know if that's your area of MO, but that's the city I think of as the gateway west. __________________ 83 GMC 406 th400/3.73 Eaton Truetrac posi, headers, x pipe, & racePros. Tubular control arms, lowering rear springs, caltracs. Still ugly, but getting built right, although slowly Click and scroll down for site vendors! Subscribe here!

10-18-2009, 12:39 AM	#9
Marv D Registered Truck Offender Join Date: May 2008 Location: hells training ground (aka Ariz) Posts: 3,118	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Here ya go http://www.jakesperformance.com/700-R4_and_4L60E.html Jake is even a member here. I've got one of his 700r4s in my Camino. Once I got the lockup setup the way I wanted,, simply love it. __________________ Still playin with trucks, even at my age! When you're dead, it's only a problem for the people around you, because you don't know you're dead. .....It's kinda the same when your STUPID. I just did my taxes and reviewed my SS statement. Thanks to the current administration it looks like I will only have to work till noon on the day of my funeral.

10-18-2009, 02:06 AM	#10
phipp13 THE DAMN YANKEE Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Southern MD Posts: 551	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 I've read bowtie overdrives is not customer friendly. After they got your $$$$ google them up and look at what customers have said. I'VE GOT A 700R4 FROM PHOENIX PERFORMANCE IN WEATHERFORD TX. ALMOST 2K BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY!! GOOD TO 550 HP AND 500 FTLBTQ. IT'S THE 700R4 SS TRANS Last edited by phipp13; 10-18-2009 at 02:09 AM.

10-18-2009, 10:39 AM	#12
PhilaTruck Right on the line, baby! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phila, PA 19130 Posts: 1,486	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Hey Scott, I was wrong. The 80e was based on the th400. It was the 60e that came from the 700r4. Don't forget Marv's lockup recipe. Good stuff. Thanks for that Jakes link & the lockup info (from previous thread), Marv- -Todd __________________ 83 GMC 406 th400/3.73 Eaton Truetrac posi, headers, x pipe, & racePros. Tubular control arms, lowering rear springs, caltracs. Still ugly, but getting built right, although slowly Click and scroll down for site vendors! Subscribe here!

10-18-2009, 03:20 PM	#14
Wild83C10 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 910	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 I had no problems with bow tie overdrive. I had one behind a 420 hp 350. It took a beating and kept on going. I had no problem with their customer service, they helped me setup the TV cable, but that was 10 years ago. Don't forget about the 200R4, better gear ratios and can handle just as much. __________________ 83 C10 Stepside (SOLD, it was a blast!) 383 MASS-FLO EFI/TKO II 600/3.90 Posi 10 bolt S475 and C4 DM running, fine tuning turbo= Douchebag Racing: Runs Fine all the Time

10-18-2009, 05:32 PM	#15
james colbert Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: cabot ar Posts: 19	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 I have a built 700 with a BTE 4000 Nitrous convertor with 456 gears. I lock it up a run 80 all day on the interstate

10-18-2009, 06:52 PM	#16
hotrod 80 mini truck racer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Baytown , texas Posts: 3,010	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 I googled the Phone number on the Jakshoe link and he has a Craigslist ad with 2004r's for $1000 . 3 of them at this price . __________________ 1949 5-window 1969 Camaro 1976 Chevy Luv yellow 1978 Chevy Luv Blue 1976 Chevy Luv Black 1979 Firebird Flooded in Harvey 1999 F350 Dually 2005 GMC Sierra 4.8 RCSB 2014 Explorer (wifes) My build :http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=399148 Build #2: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=653583

10-18-2009, 10:24 PM	#17
djracer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wetumpka, Al, U.S. Posts: 8,892	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 If your pockets are fat TCI is making a 4l80 shift like a 6 speed. __________________ Kevin Special Thanks to All who have helped on the TRUCK! My Pass Time Show http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p...Chapter1-0.mp4 So Far my best Times are: Motor only: 6.44 1/8 @ 104.13 10.39 1/4 @ 125.83 Nitrous Times: 5.785 1/8 @ 118.65 with a 1.336 60ft 9.168 1/4 @ 142.58 with a 250 shot dead out of the hole!

10-19-2009, 09:38 PM	#19
james colbert Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: cabot ar Posts: 19	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Well do like my buddy did, buy the manual on whatever tranny you want and then build it yourself. I did my first 700r that way. But I had alot of his tools to use also.

10-20-2009, 12:22 AM	#20
gchemist BAD BOW-Silverado XST Join Date: May 2000 Location: Senior Member from Austin, TX Posts: 6,431	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Mine was build by a local builder. ~$2200 in parts. I can beat on it all day. Shifts greats and drives like a beast. If I bought one off the shelf, I would checkout this place. http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperflist.htm Mine is between a Leve 3 and 4. __________________ Gerardo a.k.a. Mad Chemist Silverado XST videos

10-21-2009, 06:39 AM	#22
hotrod 80 mini truck racer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Baytown , texas Posts: 3,010	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 Here are a couple of links to stuff he has on Craigslist Dallas . http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423691772.html http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423693019.html http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/pts/1423689659.html __________________ 1949 5-window 1969 Camaro 1976 Chevy Luv yellow 1978 Chevy Luv Blue 1976 Chevy Luv Black 1979 Firebird Flooded in Harvey 1999 F350 Dually 2005 GMC Sierra 4.8 RCSB 2014 Explorer (wifes) My build :http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=399148 Build #2: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=653583



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10-26-2009, 11:04 AM	#25
fiddy9apache Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: ftw tex Posts: 682	Re: TH 350 Tranny vs. 700r4 if you go with a 4l604 or 80e you can use a bauwman controller and make your own shift maps and control line pressure, its a stand alone unit so you can put that trans in anything you want. Last edited by fiddy9apache; 10-26-2009 at 11:05 AM.

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